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post #1576 of 8575
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

 

The threads are not painted.  The threads are cut into plastic.  We evaluated nylon and metal screws.  Nylon is no-go because they are too easy to strip the socket and we'd have to tap the threads first.  So we use a self-tapping set-screw.  


Since the screw is in plastic, everyone should be clear this is not a tone control for constant adjustment.  The simple way to use it is if you want more, or less bass, turn the screw 1/4 rotation on each side and listen to several reference songs across a few genres.  When you hear it the way you want it, leave it alone.  The threads will handle a number of adjustments, but constant use could wear it out.  The hex keys are included in the box and have a warning to this effect on the bag.  

 

It works, it works well, but it's not for fiddling over and over and over.

 

Version 2 will be = small metal tube with internal thread in which a small screw with plastic end can be used? Problem solved.  Can't have something like that and expect people not to use it too much because it will break.  That's like admitting to a half ass design.  Just my 2c.  No disrespect to you Dan.  I like your modded HPs very much and waiting for the dust to settle on the AD before jumping in.

For me I will dial in all the bass i can in the morning when my ears are not 100% waken up yet but dial down the bass at nite.  :D  so daily use for me potentially.


Edited by koiloco - 9/15/13 at 3:22pm
post #1577 of 8575

Alpha Dog. Check. 

post #1578 of 8575
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

For me I will dial in all the bass i can in the morning when my ears are not 100% waken up yet but dial down the bass at nite.  :D  so daily use for me potentially.

 

You could always get 2 pairs of Alpha Dogs with separate bass settings; your morning headphones and your evening headphones. :darthsmile:

post #1579 of 8575
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Originally Posted by sonitus mirus View Post
 

 

You could always get 2 pairs of Alpha Dogs with separate bass settings; your morning headphones and your evening headphones. :darthsmile:

 

roflmao, you evil.  just evil... :evil: If you are a male, you should know that by the time I hear "hole...screw..." I won't be able to stay away too much and will try to tinker with it very often. :p


Edited by koiloco - 9/15/13 at 3:56pm
post #1580 of 8575
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

Version 2 will be = small metal tube with internal thread in which a small screw with plastic end can be used? Problem solved.  Can't have something like that and expect people not to use it too much because it will break.  That's like admitting to a half ass design.  Just my 2c.  No disrespect to you Dan.  I like your modded HPs very much and waiting for the dust to settle on the AD before jumping in.

For me I will dial in all the bass i can in the morning when my ears are not 100% waken up yet but dial down the bass at nite.  :D  so daily use for me potentially.

 

Head-fi is full of clever people who would see a screw thread, note the hole, and start to experiment.  We needed this for bass tuning, and we felt that making it's function clear and providing usage guidelines was the right way to go to let those who want more bass adjust a bit.

 

By being forthright we hoped to avoid people starting a "mod thread" on how to tweak the bass, without guidance.  I am confident our customers are smart enough to make an informed decision to adjust this, if they know the constraints.  It can certainly be adjusted a number of times but it's not a toy.  

 

This is a tool to let you setup your phones to optimize to your preferences.  The way to think of this is like setting up your speakers.  The set screw serves a similar function to adjusting how far the speaker is from the wall (which affects bass).  Nobody I have ever met moves their speakers in the AM and again in the PM.  If you do, or if you would break out the wrenches 2x a day to adjust your speakers, I can safely say you are in a VERY small minority.  

 

If you think this feature is a tone control or toy, then you are missing the point.  The feature is pure and simple a SETUP option so people can find the best sound and leave it (like placing your speakers).  

 

We've tested it, we're confident it will handle any reasonable number of setups customers could make when the product is resold, or if your tastes or equipment change.  

post #1581 of 8575
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

Version 2 will be = small metal tube with internal thread in which a small screw with plastic end can be used? Problem solved.  Can't have something like that and expect people not to use it too much because it will break.  That's like admitting to a half ass design.  Just my 2c.  No disrespect to you Dan.  I like your modded HPs very much and waiting for the dust to settle on the AD before jumping in.

For me I will dial in all the bass i can in the morning when my ears are not 100% waken up yet but dial down the bass at nite.  :D  so daily use for me potentially.

If you are wanting different bass levels during different times of the day you can easily eq your music rather then mess with the actual headphone.

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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

 

Head-fi is full of clever people who would see a screw thread, note the hole, and start to experiment.  We needed this for bass tuning, and we felt that making it's function clear and providing usage guidelines was the right way to go to let those who want more bass adjust a bit.

 

By being forthright we hoped to avoid people starting a "mod thread" on how to tweak the bass, without guidance.  I am confident our customers are smart enough to make an informed decision to adjust this, if they know the constraints.  It can certainly be adjusted a number of times but it's not a toy.  

 

This is a tool to let you setup your phones to optimize to your preferences.  The way to think of this is like setting up your speakers.  The set screw serves a similar function to adjusting how far the speaker is from the wall (which affects bass).  Nobody I have ever met moves their speakers in the AM and again in the PM.  If you do, or if you would break out the wrenches 2x a day to adjust your speakers, I can safely say you are in a VERY small minority.  

 

If you think this feature is a tone control or toy, then you are missing the point.  The feature is pure and simple a SETUP option so people can find the best sound and leave it (like placing your speakers).  

 

We've tested it, we're confident it will handle any reasonable number of setups customers could make when the product is resold, or if your tastes or equipment change.  

+1

post #1582 of 8575
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post

Head-fi is full of clever people who would see a screw thread, note the hole, and start to experiment.  We needed this for bass tuning, and we felt that making it's function clear and providing usage guidelines was the right way to go to let those who want more bass adjust a bit.

By being forthright we hoped to avoid people starting a "mod thread" on how to tweak the bass, without guidance.  I am confident our customers are smart enough to make an informed decision to adjust this, if they know the constraints.  It can certainly be adjusted a number of times but it's not a toy.  

This is a tool to let you setup your phones to optimize to your preferences.  The way to think of this is like setting up your speakers.  The set screw serves a similar function to adjusting how far the speaker is from the wall (which affects bass).  Nobody I have ever met moves their speakers in the AM and again in the PM.  If you do, or if you would break out the wrenches 2x a day to adjust your speakers, I can safely say you are in a VERY small minority.  

If you think this feature is a tone control or toy, then you are missing the point.  The feature is pure and simple a SETUP option so people can find the best sound and leave it (like placing your speakers).  

We've tested it, we're confident it will handle any reasonable number of setups customers could make when the product is resold, or if your tastes or equipment change.  
I agree with this 100% and understand the usage of it. It's nice that it's even there in the first place. But I gotta admit, a metal tube to allow more frequent adjustment would be reeeeallly nice to have as well.
post #1583 of 8575
You'll be surprised about the level of cleverness in this world. While you may be mostly correct, Dan... I still project of good number of returns for you to fix the screw. Very clever adding the disclaimer about a fee for readjustment... so people will think twice about constantly tweaking it.
post #1584 of 8575
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

 

Head-fi is full of clever people who would see a screw thread, note the hole, and start to experiment.  We needed this for bass tuning, and we felt that making it's function clear and providing usage guidelines was the right way to go to let those who want more bass adjust a bit.

 

By being forthright we hoped to avoid people starting a "mod thread" on how to tweak the bass, without guidance.  I am confident our customers are smart enough to make an informed decision to adjust this, if they know the constraints.  It can certainly be adjusted a number of times but it's not a toy.  

 

This is a tool to let you setup your phones to optimize to your preferences.  The way to think of this is like setting up your speakers.  The set screw serves a similar function to adjusting how far the speaker is from the wall (which affects bass).  Nobody I have ever met moves their speakers in the AM and again in the PM.  If you do, or if you would break out the wrenches 2x a day to adjust your speakers, I can safely say you are in a VERY small minority.  

 

If you think this feature is a tone control or toy, then you are missing the point.  The feature is pure and simple a SETUP option so people can find the best sound and leave it (like placing your speakers).  

 

We've tested it, we're confident it will handle any reasonable number of setups customers could make when the product is resold, or if your tastes or equipment change.  

 

Good to hear you have thought about this long and hard.

post #1585 of 8575
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

You'll be surprised about the level of cleverness in this world. While you may be mostly correct, Dan... I still project of good number of returns for you to fix the screw. Very clever adding the disclaimer about a fee for readjustment... so people will think twice about constantly tweaking it.

 

at least, I am not alone thinking this way.  Wrong thread to pick on a product anyway.  It is whatever it is.  But Dan is up front about it.  That's still not a bad thing these days.

post #1586 of 8575

A tiny ferrule with a slot cut through both sides does not sound like a good idea to me. You'd have something that was probably more fragile than the original design. You also have to deal with chamfering the inside edge for a smooth surface between materials so there in no noise added at the vent.

post #1587 of 8575
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

You'll be surprised about the level of cleverness in this world. While you may be mostly correct, Dan... I still project of good number of returns for you to fix the screw. Very clever adding the disclaimer about a fee for readjustment... so people will think twice about constantly tweaking it.

Agreed! 

 

Its a great idea, but I trust Dan's tuning. I would happily choose a version without a screw. 

post #1588 of 8575

We had a LOT of internal debate about this feature...  In the end, I decided to err on the side of making it available to those who want it and doing our best to make it a good experience through information/education to ensure proper usage.  

 

My hope/expectation is most people will rock with the factory setting and leave the adjustment alone simply because it sounds "right" out of the box, but preference and perception in bass has been the most varied part of the spectrum, in my experience.  Headphones are deeply personal; taste, ear geometry, hearing, effect of bone conduction on perceived bass all play a role in how a phone is perceived, so this was our best effort to address this.

post #1589 of 8575
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

We had a LOT of internal debate about this feature...  In the end, I decided to err on the side of making it available to those who want it and doing our best to make it a good experience through information/education to ensure proper usage.  

 

My hope/expectation is most people will rock with the factory setting and leave the adjustment alone simply because it sounds "right" out of the box, but preference and perception in bass has been the most varied part of the spectrum, in my experience.  Headphones are deeply personal; taste, ear geometry, hearing, effect of bone conduction on perceived bass all play a role in how a phone is perceived, so this was our best effort to address this.

+100.

 

Dan, another question.  Is it even possible to get the beta AD from you? or that's just out of the question and too much trouble?  

If you still have the current beta (white one at the CA meet) and willing to sell.  Please let me know.


Edited by koiloco - 9/15/13 at 4:33pm
post #1590 of 8575

Not sending Betas out, the production phones are further improved....

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