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post #1426 of 9033
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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post
 

So Matt, you are saying the AD has more bass quantity than the 65th anniversary? The 65th already has more bass than the Q701. So I guess the AD has significantly more than the Q701.

 

How is the soundstage in comparison? I don't expect quite the same in terms of width, but is the soundstage still good? Do the AD sound congested in anyway?

 

I don't know that much about the AKG tbh. I borrowed the Annie from another member who is local and had them for a week. The AD certainly had more weight and presence to the bass than the Annie. Don't forget that the AD is linear with regard to presentation and is geared towards a neutral response. Music with a hard bass line will sound very much like that with the AD. But music that is bass lite will sound bass lite. 

post #1427 of 9033

Dan,

 

with the headphone cups ready... you should be shipping anytime???

 

rgds:L3000:

post #1428 of 9033
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

The compliment to the AD will come down to the user. I'd take an open dynamic driver that is lightweight...ie hd6xx. But that's just me. 

This.

post #1429 of 9033

How is the soundstage compared to the AKGs, Hifimans?

post #1430 of 9033

This just makes me wonder how much bass the Mad Dogs have. My self modded T50rp isn't all that much bassier than my Q701. It's got maybe 3-5 db more across most of the bass region than my Q701, but with a bit better extension. So it doesn't seem like I'd find the AD's to be lacking in the bass.  

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

I don't know that much about the AKG tbh. I borrowed the Annie from another member who is local and had them for a week. The AD certainly had more weight and presence to the bass than the Annie. Don't forget that the AD is linear with regard to presentation and is geared towards a neutral response. Music with a hard bass line will sound very much like that with the AD. But music that is bass lite will sound bass lite. 

post #1431 of 9033
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

The AD IMO is considerably better than the he400. The MD vs he500 is a much better fight. Working on a review of several hp's including these two. I'm waiting to have the final production of the AD.

 

I am confused by your statement.

 

First, you said that AD >> HE400

Then, you said MD = HE500

 

So, what is the relative ranking between these 4 headphones?

post #1432 of 9033
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Originally Posted by uelover View Post

I am confused by your statement.

First, you said that AD >> HE400
Then, you said MD = HE500

So, what is the relative ranking between these 4 headphones?
Apparently he is saying AD < MD / he-500 < he-400
Edited by Nimzerz - 9/12/13 at 4:47pm
post #1433 of 9033
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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post
 

This just makes me wonder how much bass the Mad Dogs have. My self modded T50rp isn't all that much bassier than my Q701. It's got maybe 3-5 db more across most of the bass region than my Q701, but with a bit better extension. So it doesn't seem like I'd find the AD's to be lacking in the bass.  

Jason - you're forgetting that Dan added the Bass Screw after Matt auditioned them.   The Alpha Dog ships factory adjusted to be neutral.  Then you can add or subtract bass to your own personal taste.

 

As far as the Mad Dogs go, I use the MFSL of Bob Marley - Concrete Jungle as one of my test tracks.  Using the Mad Dogs, if the bass had any more quantity, you would not be able to hear Bob singing. :)

 

PS  Also, with all due respect to you, one would hope that Dan's professionally modded T50RP would be different in response than your own home-modded T50RP, so that is not a good reference point.


Edited by kstuart - 9/12/13 at 4:55pm
post #1434 of 9033

Wow, I can feel the anticipation building in this thread as we crawl painfully slowly to the ship date.  For the most part, the questions have more meat to them, the speculation is becoming more quantitative, and the tone as improved a lot.

 

I'm getting a lot out of the discussion, if nothing else what people will be comparing the AD to.  Interesting stuff!

post #1435 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
 

How is the soundstage compared to the AKGs, Hifimans?

 

The AD is an improvement on the MD in terms of soundstage. The MD was already very decent with regard to sound stage for a closed can. I was very impressed with the width an depth, sense of over space, with the AD. FWIW, the staging is good enough that I don't feel the need to listen to material recorded with a good sense of openness, on hp's other than the AD. I hope that I communicated this properly. What I mean to say is that some material that I listen to sounds very open and atmospheric. Usually, I'd pick up a very open hp, ie HFM, to get the most from the effect. When I tested that AD the sense of space and staging was good enough that I wasn't putting them down and picking up some other hp to make the most of that effect. They were that good. 

 

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Originally Posted by uelover View Post
 

 

I am confused by your statement.

 

First, you said that AD >> HE400

Then, you said MD = HE500

 

So, what is the relative ranking between these 4 headphones?

 

To be more clear, in my estimation the AD is clearly better than the Annie and he400, by an appreciable margin.  It competes incredibly well with the he500. If I could have only one, AD or he500, I'd take the AD. Comfort plays a role in this for me and the MD is much more comfy than the he500 which crosses the line in terms of it's overall weight. Isolation is also important to me sometimes and  being able to block out the extraneous noise at my house with the MD/AD and just listen to music is a big bonus. Lastly, the emotional response that I get from the AD  just does it for me. If I'm listening to music and the goose bumps move like a wave through me, then my gear has done it's job. 

 

At the end of the day, with the AD I get a hp that is wonderful adept at reproducing that music that I like to listen to. More than anything else that I've owned. 

post #1436 of 9033
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

The AD is an improvement on the MD in terms of soundstage. The MD was already very decent with regard to sound stage for a closed can. I was very impressed with the width an depth, sense of over space, with the AD. FWIW, the staging is good enough that I don't feel the need to listen to material recorded with a good sense of openness, on hp's other than the AD. I hope that I communicated this properly. What I mean to say is that some material that I listen to sounds very open and atmospheric. Usually, I'd pick up a very open hp, ie HFM, to get the most from the effect. When I tested that AD the sense of space and staging was good enough that I wasn't putting them down and picking up some other hp to make the most of that effect. They were that good. 

 

 

To be more clear, in my estimation the AD is clearly better than the Annie and he400, by an appreciable margin.  It competes incredibly well with the he500. If I could have only one, AD or he500, I'd take the AD. Comfort plays a role in this for me and the MD is much more comfy than the he500 which crosses the line in terms of it's overall weight. Isolation is also important to me sometimes and  being able to block out the extraneous noise at my house with the MD/AD and just listen to music is a big bonus. Lastly, the emotional response that I get from the AD  just does it for me. If I'm listening to music and the goose bumps move like a wave through me, then my gear has done it's job. 

 

At the end of the day, with the AD I get a hp that is wonderful adept at reproducing that music that I like to listen to. More than anything else that I've owned. 

Now that's a more accurate and honest evaluation.  I myself will probably wait for the dust to settle on the AD hype first before picking it up as my closed ortho cans to use at the office.  I did try it at the CA meet.  Quite an accomplishment for modding and a closed pair of HPs but better than HE500?  IMO, not yet.  There's a reason we have open headphones.  We can only screw around so much with physic.

post #1437 of 9033
Since ortho drivers produce sound in both directions, doesn't that mean that they're much less ideal for closed cans because the sound produced in the other direction would be running straight into a wall...? Would make it very difficult to even make a closed hp in the first place with an ortho driver, eh? Just curious here...
Edited by Nimzerz - 9/12/13 at 5:32pm
post #1438 of 9033
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Thanks for answering this Dan. I think the whole lattice structure thing is genius btw.

 

Well thanks, but honestly I would say it's simply engineering.   The idea flows from known science really well.  I just observed the nature of 3D printing and realized the benefit in the cup and baffle application.  The original B&W matrix designs perhaps were an inspiration, though the matrix was to avoid standing waves inside the box, not to address structure and isolation of the speaker well.  But when I saw the first cups being built and how the printers work it just seemed sensible to try to get that optimized and design cups and lattice structures this way. 

I think the 3D-printed cup has to do with the internal sound reflections.

post #1439 of 9033

Don't all drivers produce sound in both directions?

I know my LCD's certainly sent almost as much sound outwards as inwards, but I thought all drivers would create sound in both directions.

It would come down to acoustics/dampening to manage this, perhaps more so with ortho's.

 

I have no clue what I am talking about, but I am bored at work and have little better to do at the moment.

post #1440 of 9033
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

The AD is an improvement on the MD in terms of soundstage. The MD was already very decent with regard to sound stage for a closed can. I was very impressed with the width an depth, sense of over space, with the AD. FWIW, the staging is good enough that I don't feel the need to listen to material recorded with a good sense of openness, on hp's other than the AD. I hope that I communicated this properly. What I mean to say is that some material that I listen to sounds very open and atmospheric. Usually, I'd pick up a very open hp, ie HFM, to get the most from the effect. When I tested that AD the sense of space and staging was good enough that I wasn't putting them down and picking up some other hp to make the most of that effect. They were that good. 

 

 

To be more clear, in my estimation the AD is clearly better than the Annie and he400, by an appreciable margin.  It competes incredibly well with the he500. If I could have only one, AD or he500, I'd take the AD. Comfort plays a role in this for me and the MD is much more comfy than the he500 which crosses the line in terms of it's overall weight. Isolation is also important to me sometimes and  being able to block out the extraneous noise at my house with the MD/AD and just listen to music is a big bonus. Lastly, the emotional response that I get from the AD  just does it for me. If I'm listening to music and the goose bumps move like a wave through me, then my gear has done it's job. 

 

At the end of the day, with the AD I get a hp that is wonderful adept at reproducing that music that I like to listen to. More than anything else that I've owned. 

 

Excellent comments on the AD's

I forgot ,you were one of the early testers-correct?

I've sold all my headphones,EXCEPT  the MD's ,to purchase the hd800's,and I'm glad I did..I compare all other headphones to the 800's,and IMHO,the only ones that came close were the he-6,'s..comfort wize,well,no comment.

I am waiting for Dan to give us the word,when we can upgrade,will probably be end of the month

 

Matt--what amp & dac are you using with the AD's?

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