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post #1351 of 9033
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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post
 

I was never a huge believer in needing tons of power for headphones, but both my modded T50rp and my Q701 are whole new beasts on my vintage Pioneer. This is coming from a Fiio E17 which I thought was good enough until I found my SX-750. It's not all just about volume either. I usually only listen in the mid to high 70's.  

 

 

I've got a Pioneer SX-990. I was foolish to think modern audio made huge leaps and bounds of improvement. Man this thing sings! 

post #1352 of 9033
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I've got a Pioneer SX-990. I was foolish to think modern audio made huge leaps and bounds of improvement. Man this thing sings! 

I think leaps and bounds have been made in terms of digital audio, but old analog gear (like receivers and amps) are still very good. These vintage amps are also crazy powerful, and can be found cheap. I paid $40 for my SX-750... Now that is cheap power. I also love the tone controls, a little bit of extra bass and my Q701 is just about perfect. It's also nice to have a volume knob instead of the digital volume control of the Fiio E17. There is just something special about turning a knob.

post #1353 of 9033
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The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal (the one with a real cable) and the HE-400 are the two wired headphones that I use.

 

The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is significantly better in many ways than the Mad Dog 3.0 (and by implication, the earlier versions).  So, anyone who has heard the Mad Dog before April is not making a valid comparison.

 

In my system, the Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is better than the HE-400 (my previous favorite over headphones costing twice as much) in every way except "air" and soundstage (the Mad Dog has very little of either).  The fact that these two qualities are the area where the Alpha Dog is supposed to bring the most improvement, is why I pre-ordered them.

 

The Mad Dog is better than any other headphones I have heard in "lack of ringing".  ("Ringing" or smearing, means additional sound added to the end of notes, such as is added if you have very reflective walls to the left or right of speakers - one of those qualities easier to hear than describe).

 

i stand corrected. what about speed and bass?

A difference of opinion about sound quality is not a "correction", not only does everyone have physically different ears, they also have different music players, different amplifiers, etc.  That's why I prefaced the above with "In my system...".

 

I find speed and bass to be very good on both the Mad Dog 3.2 and the HE-400.

post #1354 of 9033
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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post
 

I was never a huge believer in needing tons of power for headphones, but both my modded T50rp and my Q701 are whole new beasts on my vintage Pioneer. This is coming from a Fiio E17 which I thought was good enough until I found my SX-750. It's not all just about volume either. I usually only listen in the mid to high 70's. 

I recently purchased a used 330 Watt RMS per channel power amplifier because it has input level controls and a headphone jack.  I have the HRT MusicStreamer 2Plus going straight into it.

 

For the first time, I have the kind of dynamics with headphones that I previously was only hearing through speakers.  The HE-400 sounds significantly better with it than through any headphone amplifier I have tried.   Same for the Mad Dog 3.2, but actually the Mad Dog does pretty well with any sort of setup (sounds fine just from my laptop), whereas the HE-400 just sounds much better with a lot of amplification.

 

Just reporting what I hear...

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Now is it the power that makes the difference, or the rest of the amp? ;)

 

Amp 1 with op-amp A and power X can't be compared to amp 2 with op-amp B and power 2X if you only talk about power. Does no one realise this? XD

Sure it has more power, but it has a completely different inside too. You can't say that it's only the power that makes a headphone sounds good.

post #1356 of 9033
Pretty sure those mega powered amps like the Lyr were made for hard to drive planar headphones like the HE4, 5LE, and HE6 which DO need all that wattage.

The Hifiman x00, LCD2, and MD don't.

As with every single headphone in the universe, if it's well loved, everyone will always say it scales up exponentially with more power. Every single headphone. That's just typical Head fi hyperbole. Though in the case of planars, they do scale a bit with more power. THE MD, LCD2 both scaled up when I hooked them up to stronger amps like the A-GD SA-31 and Compass 2. The HE400 didn't really scale that much.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/11/13 at 8:49pm
post #1357 of 9033
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Pretty sure those mega powered amps like the Lyr were made for hard to drive planar headphones like the HE4, 5LE, and HE6 which DO need all that wattage.

The Hifiman x00, LCD2, and MD don't.

 

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Sshhhhh.

 

They'll hear you

post #1358 of 9033
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

A difference of opinion about sound quality is not a "correction", not only does everyone have physically different ears, they also have different music players, different amplifiers, etc.  That's why I prefaced the above with "In my system...".

 

I find speed and bass to be very good on both the Mad Dog 3.2 and the HE-400.

 

 

 
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal (the one with a real cable) and the HE-400 are the two wired headphones that I use.

 

The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is significantly better in many ways than the Mad Dog 3.0 (and by implication, the earlier versions).  So, anyone who has heard the Mad Dog before April is not making a valid comparison.

 

In my system, the Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is better than the HE-400 (my previous favorite over headphones costing twice as much) in every way except "air" and soundstage (the Mad Dog has very little of either).  The fact that these two qualities are the area where the Alpha Dog is supposed to bring the most improvement, is why I pre-ordered them.

 

The Mad Dog is better than any other headphones I have heard in "lack of ringing".  ("Ringing" or smearing, means additional sound added to the end of notes, such as is added if you have very reflective walls to the left or right of speakers - one of those qualities easier to hear than describe).

probably not worth mentioning but I guess you really mean the mad dog 3.2 is better than the he-400 in every way except for speed, bass, air, and soundstage. hmm thats not even half of "every way". 

 

I am of the impression that detail would be in there somewhere as well. Which leaves out the main differences of mids and sibilance like I said. 

 

I stand corrected on judging from a dated version... I shouldn't have done that:(. Whatever point I was making was still the same regardless. 

 

The bass and speed being adjusted and better makes me excited none the less, as I know I won't be let down in the mids. So to agree with you I am set on the Alpha Dog unless I reach for an lcd2 or something higher. 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 9/11/13 at 8:54pm
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Has anyone pre ordered ADs with both balanced and SE cables? If so what's the price/process to do it?

 

I'd rather just order both upfront rather than muck around with adapters etc

post #1360 of 9033

I should have final Y cable pricing next week. 

post #1361 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Pretty sure those mega powered amps like the Lyr were made for hard to drive planar headphones like the HE4, 5LE, and HE6 which DO need all that wattage.

Would you also say the Liquid Gold and HeadAmp's GS-X MkII was built for these headphones only?

Because both output more power than the Mjolnir, which does 8 Watts into 32 ohms. These two are the top two solid state amps of the Summit-Fi world for the moment and drive a variety of headphones to amazing potential.

 

Your theory about the design purpose of the Lyr is flawed. The LCD-2 single handily outsold all the HE models you mentioned. The HE-500 probably has outsold all of them combined as well. If Jason created the Lyr and then followed it up with Mjolnir just for the HE-4/HE-5LE/HE-6, that makes very little sense from a business perspective. He created them for the LCD-2 obviously and the HE-500 as an afterthought. In fact they were voiced with the LCD-2, and thus sound especially amazing with the LCD-2.

 

At least you agree that feeding most planars more power does yield some audible results. Head-Fi is usually a game of inches. A significant difference for someone might be considered mere inches for another. This is the same for amps/dacs/headphones/cables, pretty much everything we discuss. In fact to someone I know the standard Apple ibud is not a huge step down from the Westone 4R/UE900/SE535. He says it's a small difference that he's not willing to pay big money for.

 

The Burson in discussion feeds the HE-500 250mW. And He's saying it's worse than the Mad Dog without qualifying his statements in anyway. I'm just pointing this out.

 

@MiceBlue

 

Of course there are other factors than power in how an amp sounds, like the quality of compotents and the overall design. I agree with you whole-heartedly about this; but power is also a factor that shouldn't be ignored. That's all I'm saying.


Edited by M-13 - 9/11/13 at 10:33pm
post #1362 of 9033
Im referring to all that excess power. LCD2 and HE500 do not need nearly a fraction of that power to get the most out of them. There's more to a headphone's potential than ultimate power. The HE6 and its single digit siblings however DO have a legitimate need for that power.
post #1363 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Im referring to all that excess power. LCD2 and HE500 do not need nearly a fraction of that power to get the most out of them. There's more to a headphone's potential than ultimate power. The HE6 and its single digit siblings however DO have a legitimate need for that power.

 

If this statement was the absolute truth a lot of smart amp designers are wasting their precious time and energy designing unnecessarily powerful amps. The HE-4/HE-5LE are nearly extinct from Head-Fi (The HE-5LE is no longer sold) and HE-6 owners use speaker amps anyway.

 

The HeadAmp GS-X MKII apparently does 8 Watts into 50ohms, and is considered one of the best matches for the HD800 along with the LCD-3. The Liquid Gold is even more powerful. These two amps were not just built for the single-digit HE series. That would be a very narrow interpretation of their design purpose.

 

Like I told MiceBlue. I agree that there are other factors to designing a great amp, but power is also a factor that should not be ignored.

post #1364 of 9033

Sorry about derailing this thread. I seem to always get mired in this power discussion with the exact same 3 people. LOL.

 

I really don't care either way. People who disagree will never believe no matter what I say. The word is out anyway and a lot of people are trying planars with powerful amps including speaker taps.

 

I'm honestly more interested in the Pony that will be included with the Dan Clark Action Figure. I'm hoping my pony is Claret colored. Not sure why Dan went with a pony when he could have gone with a unicorn. But then I guess a claret colored unicorn might look odd.:p

post #1365 of 9033
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

 

If this statement was the absolute truth a lot of smart amp designers are wasting their precious time and energy designing unnecessarily powerful amps. The HE-4/HE-5LE are nearly extinct from Head-Fi (The HE-5LE is no longer sold) and HE-6 owners use speaker amps anyway.

 

The HeadAmp GS-X MKII apparently does 8 Watts into 50ohms, and is considered one of the best matches for the HD800 along with the LCD-3. The Liquid Gold is even more powerful. These two amps were not just built for the single-digit HE series. That would be a very narrow interpretation of their design purpose.

 

Like I told MiceBlue. I agree that there are other factors to designing a great amp, but power is also a factor that should not be ignored.

 

 

You have a rather silly way of arguing. It's funny because it fits the stereotypical strawman argument to a T.

 

The HE-6 is incredibly inefficient as a result of the tracings of its driver. current does not move through easily unless there is plenty of force behind it, ie. more power. The amount of electricity delivered to the actual diaphragm is not much higher than any other headphone. 

 

I've heard the GSX, and spoke to its creator in person. If you think he designed it with just power in mind, then you're wrong. If you think your HE-500 is actually getting 8 watts and is still breathing, you're also wrong. I'd love to see you use speaker amps with your headphones without the attenuators, then try adjusting the knob past 3%

 

The GSX is a good match because of its tuning and the control it exerts over the HD800. You shouldn't mention gear you haven't heard. Isn't that a rule somewhere?

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