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post #1336 of 9033
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Interesting.

What did you pair those headphones with when you compared them?

 

Your preference seem to lean towards dark headphones. You might either like that dark tonality as it is, or have bright source/amp to match your preference. Either way, it does not play in the HE-500's favour...

 

My source app was Foobar2k with Wasapi Output, comboed with the Burson HA160 and Bel Canto Combo Dac/Amp for home use. For portable usage, the Alo International is my primary amplifier of choice combed with the HM801 with the upgrade amp, Cowon J3, Fiio X3, Hisound Studio V and most recently the DX50. Interconnects by Moon Audio in the form of Black Dragons.  I prefer a neutral midrange with sparkled highs and a slightly warm tilt on the low end.  I dislike clinical sound but do not use this as any justification in considering the HE500 inferior in most but not all ways vs the MDs.  

 

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24Bit

 

You are not alone! I found modded fostex sounds better to me than HE-500 too. In every area.

 

Rock on.  I think the upper region is much more clear and smooth on the HE-500 though.  


Edited by 24Bit - 9/11/13 at 3:19pm
post #1337 of 9033

Your Burson is the problem. I don't think anyone on Head-Fi says the HA160 is even a decent match for the HE-500. Perhaps you can make the argument if you had a Soloist, but the HA160 was designed/built for high-impediance headphones before the planar wave of Audez'e/Hifiman.

post #1338 of 9033

I disagree.  It sounded more than good enough with my HE-500 for more than a two year run and was often used as a pre amplifier with some of the more expensive home amps in the past 2 years.   Right now, this is all I have to work with and the difference in the HE-500 with just the Burson and International in Dac mode vs something " Summit Fi" is not even remotely close to being justified in my wallet. The HE-500 and LCD2 sound perfectly well driven with the likes of a CLAS setup using a TTVJ Slim, International and a host of other portable players.  Overdriving into the 2+ watt range does nothing for a headphone that has a smooth and lean low end.  High output amplifiers go well with Planars that either demand a very high output like the HE-6 and HE-4, or benefit from more than 2 watts of power to help push out the low end.  Headphones like the Audeze LCD2 and 3, the HE-400 and even the brand new Abyss Ortho.  

post #1339 of 9033

Regardless. I encourage you to try the HE-500 from a variety of amps. What can be said is that the Mad Dog sounds better off the Burson HA160 than the HE-500. I honestly wouldn't even find this surprising and might in fact agree with you. The HA160 was designed for 300ohm Sennheiser and 600ohm Beyerdynamics. All before there was such a thing as Audez'e/Hifiman. The Soloist is the solution Burson came up with. If the HA160 was good enough they would not have redesigned a whole new amp that is 16 times more powerful.

post #1340 of 9033

 I've heard both on Summit Fi level rigs and felt my personal rig to be more well thought out.  High output does not equate to automatic clarity boosts in the HE-500 nor the Mad Dog.  A solid bass output in your source is more important on these two headphones than high output voltage.  5+ watts does absolutely nothing at all for midrange or sound staging qualities on the Mad Dog or the HE-500.  Literally nothing.  A spacious Amplifier and Dac combined with a moderate wattage output is the wiser choice in my experiences.  The HA160 does incredibly well in helping the staging qualities, as well as removing the sterilized colder monitor tonality the Hifiman Headphones have.  Substituting a bit of that for a warmer tilt, especially on the low end.  Combined with the very transparent Bel Canto and even the ALO International, the Mad Dog is just as good as the HE-500 on the same rig...a rig that I feel maxes out the potential of the HE-500 anyway.  Summit Fi Amps on the HE-500 were lack luster to me, I've reviewed and tested many, never kept a single high end rig for my Orthos.  The HA160+International is wonderful on all of them except the HE-6 and similar inefficient cans.  The DX50+International+Mad Dog is incredible.  People don't use the CLAS setup with the Audeze and Hifiman Orthos for nothing.  It is a fantastic little setup that provides plenty of kick and power,  5watts and similar is just not needed on the HE-500, LCD series or the Fostex Mods.

post #1341 of 9033
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5watts and similar is just not needed on the HE-500, LCD series or the Fostex Mods.

 

Sshhhhh.

 

They'll hear you

post #1342 of 9033
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You could, but then you'll start crying.

 

NEVERMIND

post #1343 of 9033
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5watts and similar is just not needed on the HE-500, LCD series or the Fostex Mods.

Sshhhhh.

They'll hear you

5 GW isn't enough either....you need the power of the Hoover Dam in order for any headphone to sound decent. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Don't mind that you only need less than 1 W of power for the Mad Dog to reach 120 dB SPL, you need to listen to your music at 120,000 dB SPL.
post #1344 of 9033

You guys don't know what you're talking about.

 

We're past SPL now. That's for the nancy boys who're still stuck on phonographs.

 

It's all about DPL - as in Death Pressure Level - as in the number of people you'll manage to remove from existence as you blare that awful-Jazz-in-the-Pawnshop-level-of-musicality music through your extremely practical open-back audio reproduction turds, thereby creating existential ripples that galvanize populations and civilizations within parsecs.

 

Only the Asgard 9001^42 with the Loki 2 (supporting the 10-dimensional hi-res ZSZ files) can output enough to get those lowly HE-500s to rise above those lowly Mad Dog audio-reproduction turds of course. No exceptions. Comes with 10 Dan Clark figurines as well. Deal of the century right there. Scratch that - deal of the millenium.

 

Scratch that - deal of the decade.

 

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* - Honestly, if we're going to play the power card, or the amp card, or whatever card it is that'll serve the purpose of pushing that opinion right up the noses of innocent people, fine. Sometimes you gotta be aggressive to incite discussion. But think about the intent behind it - whether or not those actions are justified for those few seconds of e-peen, for that fleeting moment of self-affirmation. And really think about whether or not it has anything to do with the topic at hand - the Dan Clark figurines Alpha Dogs - *
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5 GW isn't enough either....you need the power of the Hoover Dam in order for any headphone to sound decent. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Don't mind that you only need less than 1 W of power for the Mad Dog to reach 120 dB SPL, you need to listen to your music at 120,000 dB SPL.
post #1346 of 9033

This thread is useless without peak power and RMS graphs out  the wazoo.

post #1347 of 9033

Hmn what amp to get for the AD's.

I am thinking the ALO Pan Am COULD be a good choice.

People rave about its synergy with the LCD2 and apparently, though I have never heard it, the HD800 couples well with a tube amp.

If the AD is has an almost hybrid HD800/LCD2 sound, it could work well.

post #1348 of 9033

Recommending the Soloist is not the same as recommending 1.21 GigaWatts or asking you to hook up your headphone to a nuclear plant/power main. Burson designed the thing for planars after all.  Ignorance is bliss guys.

 

5 Watts? What kind of an idiot builds amps like that for Headphones? Oh yeah Jason of Schiit Audio (Lyr/Mjolner)... Oh and Alex of Cavalli Audio (Liquid Gold/Glass).. oh Justin HeadAmp GS-X MkII. I guess rich people are stupid. They only needed the O2 or an Asgard at the most. Silly rich people. :rolleyes:


Edited by M-13 - 9/11/13 at 6:02pm
post #1349 of 9033
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Recommending the Soloist is not the same as recommending 1.21 GigaWatts or asking you to hook up your headphone to a nuclear plant/power main. Burson designed the thing for planars after all.  Ignorance is bliss guys.

 

5 Watts? What kind of an idiot builds amps like that for Headphones? Oh yeah Jason of Schiit Audio (Lyr/Mjolner)... Oh and Alex of Cavalli Audio (Liquid Gold/Glass).. oh Justin HeadAmp GS-X MkII. I guess rich people are stupid. They only needed the O2 or an Asgard at the most. Silly rich people. :rolleyes:

 

Amen brother.

post #1350 of 9033

I was never a huge believer in needing tons of power for headphones, but both my modded T50rp and my Q701 are whole new beasts on my vintage Pioneer. This is coming from a Fiio E17 which I thought was good enough until I found my SX-750. It's not all just about volume either. I usually only listen in the mid to high 70's.  

 

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

Recommending the Soloist is not the same as recommending 1.21 GigaWatts or asking you to hook up your headphone to a nuclear plant/power main. Burson designed the thing for planars after all.  Ignorance is bliss guys.

 

5 Watts? What kind of an idiot builds amps like that for Headphones? Oh yeah Jason of Schiit Audio (Lyr/Mjolner)... Oh and Alex of Cavalli Audio (Liquid Gold/Glass).. oh Justin HeadAmp GS-X MkII. I guess rich people are stupid. They only needed the O2 or an Asgard at the most. Silly rich people. :rolleyes:

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