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post #1291 of 9040
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 
to my ears the only thing a mad dog can best an he-400 in is the mids and sibilance. If the AD is comparable to the he-500 then that is a note-worthy feat. A lot of times hype for a new headphone colors impressions. I hope the reviews are as objective as possible.

The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal (the one with a real cable) and the HE-400 are the two wired headphones that I use.

 

The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is significantly better in many ways than the Mad Dog 3.0 (and by implication, the earlier versions).  So, anyone who has heard the Mad Dog before April is not making a valid comparison.

 

In my system, the Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is better than the HE-400 (my previous favorite over headphones costing twice as much) in every way except "air" and soundstage (the Mad Dog has very little of either).  The fact that these two qualities are the area where the Alpha Dog is supposed to bring the most improvement, is why I pre-ordered them.

 

The Mad Dog is better than any other headphones I have heard in "lack of ringing".  ("Ringing" or smearing, means additional sound added to the end of notes, such as is added if you have very reflective walls to the left or right of speakers - one of those qualities easier to hear than describe).


Edited by kstuart - 9/10/13 at 2:48pm
post #1292 of 9040
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Originally Posted by 24Bit View Post
 

I'm sure people will chew me out for saying the standard Mad Dog is superior in some ways to the HE500, pre-apology if I offended anyone or confused anyone.  

 

1000

post #1293 of 9040

Any word on the upgrade to Alpha Dogs from Mad Dogs?

post #1294 of 9040
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Originally Posted by KCxSmacker View Post
 

Any word on the upgrade to Alpha Dogs from Mad Dogs?

From the web site page on Alpha Dog headphones:

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 We will not take orders for upgrades until product is shipping, at which time we will start an upgrade list so we can maintain minimal turnaround time to avoid any inconvenience to owners.
post #1295 of 9040
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post
 

+1

 

I am keeping in mind that he is comparing a closed headphone to an open design.  If the MD gets close to the HE500 in any regard, then an initial shock is to be expected.  This does nothing to quell my anticipation for the AD, in any case.

 

If hyperbole were a crime, more than half of Head-fi would be in jail.

 

 

I actually have my thoughts on the HE-500. It has flaws in areas that could easily push one to put it down in favor of other headphones.

 

I have no clue why the HE-500 is regarded like some sort of mystical norse beast, incapable of folly. It's a good headphone that has flaws, just like everything else. I wouldn't put it above the likes of the HD600, LCD-2, etc.

 

The best single best part of the HE-500 is its bass response. Aside from that, the mids are too forward and lack dimesionality/depth, the center channel is MIA, and soundstage height is disappointing for a headphone of its range. I heard no such flaws from the Mad Dog when I auditioned it.

post #1296 of 9040

How does one determine the height of a soundstage? I mean it's not like people say "wow this soundstage height is amazing! it sounds like violins are flying above me and cellos are below my feet!" Depth and width make much more sense for a recording: "wow it sounds like the violins are really far away and cellos are to the right and left of me!"


Edited by miceblue - 9/10/13 at 4:49pm
post #1297 of 9040
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post
 

How does one determine the height of a soundstage? I mean it's not like people say "wow this soundstage height is amazing! it sounds like violins are flying above me and cellos are below my feet!" Depth and width make much more sense for a recording: "wow it sounds like the violins are really far away and cellos are to the right and left of me!"

 

I admit...rofl

post #1298 of 9040
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post
 

The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal (the one with a real cable) and the HE-400 are the two wired headphones that I use.

 

The Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is significantly better in many ways than the Mad Dog 3.0 (and by implication, the earlier versions).  So, anyone who has heard the Mad Dog before April is not making a valid comparison.

 

In my system, the Mad Dog 3.2 Universal is better than the HE-400 (my previous favorite over headphones costing twice as much) in every way except "air" and soundstage (the Mad Dog has very little of either).  The fact that these two qualities are the area where the Alpha Dog is supposed to bring the most improvement, is why I pre-ordered them.

 

The Mad Dog is better than any other headphones I have heard in "lack of ringing".  ("Ringing" or smearing, means additional sound added to the end of notes, such as is added if you have very reflective walls to the left or right of speakers - one of those qualities easier to hear than describe).

 

i stand corrected. what about speed and bass?

post #1299 of 9040
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post
 

How does one determine the height of a soundstage? I mean it's not like people say "wow this soundstage height is amazing! it sounds like violins are flying above me and cellos are below my feet!" Depth and width make much more sense for a recording: "wow it sounds like the violins are really far away and cellos are to the right and left of me!"

 

 

It usually has to do with imaging and layering. For instance, imagine sitting in a concert hall listening to a performance of Carmina Burana. The hall itself is not just deep and wide, it also has height. The instruments and voices will reverb all around you. I made this diagram for the UERM vs TF10 tour another member put on.

 

LL

 

 

A headphone that lacks height will compress cues onto a single plane, whereas one that has good height will allow layering on multiple levels.

post #1300 of 9040

A headphone with "height" is just a headphone with matched drivers reproducing a recording with "height" in it. It's the only way you can do it.

post #1301 of 9040
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

A headphone with "height" is just a headphone with matched drivers reproducing a recording with "height" in it. It's the only way you can do it.

 

 

Interesting. Then how would you explain a headphone being unable to reproduce "height" cues in a recording, when another can? And this is with several different examples?

post #1302 of 9040

Uh, the drivers aren't closely matched? Or the headphones are creating their own distortions.

post #1303 of 9040

We perceive height in real sound, so it's a valid consideration for any transducer.  If you don't believe that snap your fingers above your head.  If height were not detected, it would be heard as being "IN" your head because the sound arrives at both ears at the same time.

 

But this is probably a better sound science topic, just so we don't get too OT...

post #1304 of 9040

From my experience the HD650/600 is not even close to the HE-500/LCD-2. I do like the HD650/600 though. In fact the Mad Dog 3.1 could be said to be better than the HD650 I had in some ways.


Edited by M-13 - 9/10/13 at 5:57pm
post #1305 of 9040
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Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
 

Uh, the drivers aren't closely matched? Or the headphones are creating their own distortions.

 

Are you being serious? So if you're watching a movie with headphones, and a character's footsteps are on the same plane as the choppers above your head, that is because the transducer is free of distortions?

 

Ok.

 

 

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

From my experience the HD650/600 is not even close to the HE-500/LCD-2. I do like the HD650/600 though. In fact the Mad Dog 3.1 could be said to be better than the HD650 I had in some ways.

 

 

Ok, I'd ask you to explain, but that would be reaching too far OT.

 

I've already made my case here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/656160/review-hifiman-he-500-vs-sennheiser-hd600

 

The HE-500 is good, but not worthy of the hype that it receives.

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