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post #1126 of 9033

A definite +1 ,on Matt's suggestion--

 

If you wanted to spend Less ,,dont ignore the Magni/Modi combination

This was on my MD's---haven't gotten the upgrade to AD's...yet


Edited by mikek200 - 8/29/13 at 5:48pm
post #1127 of 9033

Thanks Matt!  

The only problem is that the Asgard2 does not have a TOSLINK in, only S/PDIF,  and the Bifrost is not a balanced out. 

How big a deal is it to convert the TOSLINK?  

If it worth changing my planned AD setup from the balanced XLR to standard 1/4"?

Is the sound better on the  non-balanced Schiit combo than on a similarly priced balanced setup?

 

The Magni/Modi won't work for me because I don't want to ditch my sound card and go USB. 

 

How about the Audio GD 10ES2?

Have you heard them on there?


Edited by Justin0505 - 8/29/13 at 7:19pm
post #1128 of 9033

Centrance Dacport LX into a Ibasso PB-2 is a delicious combo for the Mad Dog's also for under $600 and easily transportable.

post #1129 of 9033
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Centrance Dacport LX into a Ibasso PB-2 is a delicious combo for the Mad Dog's also for under $600 and easily transportable.

Another option is the DB2 dac.  It is the same form factor as the PB2, handy for stacking.  This is what I use at the moment.  I've owned both the dacport and the dacport LX.  No arguing that the Dacport LX is one of the finer dac's out there in it's price range, or above for that matter.  I actually liked the  regular dacport just as well, and it had the advantage of being a dac / amp, and you could set the volume about 1 o'clock, and it worked nicely as a dac.  I could never hear the difference between the two.  Others report that the LX was the better stand alone dac.

post #1130 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Justin0505 View Post

Thanks Matt!  

The only problem is that the Asgard2 does not have a TOSLINK in, only S/PDIF,  and the Bifrost is not a balanced out. 

How big a deal is it to convert the TOSLINK? 

Toslink output is from what ???

post #1131 of 9033
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Another option is the DB2 dac.  It is the same form factor as the PB2, handy for stacking.  This is what I use at the moment.  I've owned both the dacport and the dacport LX.  No arguing that the Dacport LX is one of the finer dac's out there in it's price range, or above for that matter.  I actually liked the  regular dacport just as well, and it had the advantage of being a dac / amp, and you could set the volume about 1 o'clock, and it worked nicely as a dac.  I could never hear the difference between the two.  Others report that the LX was the better stand alone dac.

Yep,  that's one of the options I was thinking of.  iBasso even sells them as a pair.  My question was just on the power output:  the PB2 has a max of 2500MW,  but I can't find what it would provide with the 50ohm impedance of the AD's drivers.  It would be below Fostex's stated mat input of 3000MW, but I don't know if that matters. 

If you say that the PB2 worked well for the MD's,  then I'd assume that would also be the case for the AD's.

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Toslink output is from what ???

The PC soundcard. 

post #1132 of 9033
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Toslink output is from what ???

The PC soundcard. 

Forget PC soundcards.   USB Asynchronous DAC.   Schiit Modi is only $99 direct from schiit.com (with 14-day guarantee) or else their Bitfrost Uber is $449.   In between are the various HiResTech USB Asynchronous DACs and other brands which I have not heard, but others on this thread/Forum use (such as Dacport LX).


Edited by kstuart - 8/29/13 at 10:57pm
post #1133 of 9033
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Forget PC soundcards.   USB Asynchronous DAC.   Schiit Modi is only $99 direct from schiit.com (with 14-day guarantee) or else their Bitfrost Uber is $449.   In between are the various HiResTech USB Asynchronous DACs and other brands which I have not heard, but others on this thread/Forum use (such as Dacport LX).

I like the PC soundcard for everything other than music.  It has a good EQ, handles EAX and positional audio for games very well and has some filters for games / multimedia which sound gimicky in description, but actually work really well.  It does have a headphone amp which is better than nothing,  but not "good".   So, I'd like to continue to use the card to process some of the multimedia sound but then just a better DAC / amp to get it from the 1's and 0's to my ears. 

 

As for the music,  would there be a benefit to by-passing the soundcard and going USB external >lDAC instead?  

My thinking was that PCI-e > shielded  grounded sound card > optical signal  would be better than sending the data through the common USB with other noise and whatnot?  Again, I am a noob to this so I'm asking in order to better understand,  not to argue. 

 

If there is a benefit to completely bypassing the sound card for music,  then couldn't I just connect both the TOSLINK for the game/multimedia sound and the USB for music and just switch sources on the external DAC when listening to one or the other?

 

I just realized this is part of the discussion is kinda going off topic.  So maybe I should just say that I need both async USB and TOSLINK inputs on the DAC and Ill sort out which to use for what in another thread.

 

The PB2 & DB2 seem to cover all the bases for possible in/out scenarios,  and I do like the added bonus of the portability,  but would the output from a dedicated desktop integrated dac/amp like the Audio GB 10E52 (http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB10ES/NFB10ES2EN_Specs.htmsound significantly better?  The input will take full  24/192  instead of 24/96 like the iBasso.  

post #1134 of 9033

Soundstage and dynamics-wise, absolute yes.  Bigger air by far.

post #1135 of 9033

But portables have come appreciably closer.

post #1136 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Justin0505 View Post

Thanks Matt!  

The only problem is that the Asgard2 does not have a TOSLINK in, only S/PDIF,  and the Bifrost is not a balanced out. 

How big a deal is it to convert the TOSLINK?  

If it worth changing my planned AD setup from the balanced XLR to standard 1/4"?

Is the sound better on the  non-balanced Schiit combo than on a similarly priced balanced setup?

 

The Magni/Modi won't work for me because I don't want to ditch my sound card and go USB. 

 

How about the Audio GD 10ES2?

Have you heard them on there?

 

 

 

Audio-gd NFB-10ES2

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DesPx725mpo&feature=player_embedded

post #1137 of 9033

This is my setup: pc>optical cable out and then in to bifrost>rca out to A2. The sound is a guilty pleasure considering the cost. 

 

I also use the a2 as a preamp to a vintage Sansui 9090db receiver...and it sounds even better. eek.gif

 

The m/m combo does not hold a candle to the a2 setup IMO. It was too thin and "metallic" sounding to me...IMO

post #1138 of 9033
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Originally Posted by Justin0505 View Post

Yep,  that's one of the options I was thinking of.  iBasso even sells them as a pair.  My question was just on the power output:  the PB2 has a max of 2500MW,  but I can't find what it would provide with the 50ohm impedance of the AD's drivers.  It would be below Fostex's stated mat input of 3000MW, but I don't know if that matters. 

If you say that the PB2 worked well for the MD's,  then I'd assume that would also be the case for the AD's.

The PC soundcard. 


I use the PB2/DB2 exclusively with the Mad Dogs.  Dan uses the same stack as well (along with half a dozen other amps).  He has an Astell and Kern AK100 that he runs optical out to the DB2 with one of the sysconcepts optical cables.  I just use line out from an ipod touch or classic, or usb from my macbook air.  It droves the MD's and my HD650's really well.  Is it a Woo WA6 or a
Burson soloist or Shiit Mjolnir?  No, of course not, but it is darned good, and very portable.  Yes, it drives the AD's just as well as it drives the MD's.  At somewhere between $600 and $700 new, there are probably desktop options that equal or surpass it.  I am hoping that my HIFI-M8 which arrives on Tuesday, equals or surpasses it in a similar price range.  The nice thing about the PB2/DB2, is you can occasionally find one in the FS threads for around $350.  In fact, stay tuned.  If the M8 is all I expect, I will likely pass the iBasso gear on at a nice price.  I only need one setup, and pulling digital from an iDevice would be the keeper for me, as long as SQ supports keeping the M8.

post #1139 of 9033

The m/m combo does not hold a candle to the a2 setup IMO. It was too thin and "metallic" sounding to me...IMO "

 

Just given as another price option> 

post #1140 of 9033

I see most DAC/Amp recommendation are the same as those for the Mad Dogs (The Schiit stack, iBasso PB2/DB2, etc.).

That's a bit strange since the voicing of the Mad Dogs and Alpha Dogs is quite different from the previews ("LCD-2 like" vs "HD-800 like").

 

These gears are commonly described as lean or bright sounding - which might suit the dark MDs particularly well, indeed - and I doubt these would be recommended for the HD-800 (for their voicing) confused.gif

Did I miss something?

 

I'd recommend the NFB-28 or NFB-10ES2, too.

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