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post #16 of 33
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

The signal that movie videos use and gaming should be the same signal.

DVI (all versions) are going to disappear some day, leaving HDMI.

If you get an HDMI cable that is version 1.4, I would think it would provide the picture your looking for.

 

You would think...but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

For instance, I have yet to see an HDTV that takes a real 120 Hz video signal from a computer, while a monitor most likely will over DVI-D or DisplayPort. HDMI doesn't seem to have the bandwidth for 1920x1080 at 120 Hz, let alone 2560x1600 at 60 Hz.

 

DVI will disappear one day...but that's because DisplayPort is its replacement, not HDMI. I'm pretty sure I recall hearing about how DisplayPort 1.2 will have enough bandwidth for 4K resolutions.

 

That still doesn't resolve the audio path issue, though. DisplayPort is still video-only...and HDMI is still held back by the consumer electronics industry's lagging standards compared to the computer industry's bleeding-edge offerings. The ideal solution would be to just use HDMI strictly for audio output, but I'm not sure if his current equipment would allow that.

post #17 of 33
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

As they say 1080 is the maximum for gaming, then you can not game at 2560 X1600, so why even try gaming above 1080 if that does not work?


not sure who the "they" is you are referring to.  is it perhaps the message on boxes of hdtvs that say "FULL HD 1080p" have succeeded in marketing to the masses. with dvi-d cables and from what i have been told display ports cables you can play pc games way beyond 1080, check my screenshot for proof/ an example. 


Edited by merigoldsass - 8/18/13 at 3:02pm
post #18 of 33
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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post

 

You would think...but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

For instance, I have yet to see an HDTV that takes a real 120 Hz video signal from a computer, while a monitor most likely will over DVI-D or DisplayPort. HDMI doesn't seem to have the bandwidth for 1920x1080 at 120 Hz, let alone 2560x1600 at 60 Hz.

 

DVI will disappear one day...but that's because DisplayPort is its replacement, not HDMI. I'm pretty sure I recall hearing about how DisplayPort 1.2 will have enough bandwidth for 4K resolutions.

 

That still doesn't resolve the audio path issue, though. DisplayPort is still video-only...and HDMI is still held back by the consumer electronics industry's lagging standards compared to the computer industry's bleeding-edge offerings. The ideal solution would be to just use HDMI strictly for audio output, but I'm not sure if his current equipment would allow that.

 

HDMI 1.3 maximum is 24-bit 2560 X 1600 at 75Hz

HDMI 1.4 maximum is 24-bit 4096 X 2160 at 24Hz

HDMI 2.0 maximum is 24-bit 4096 X 2160 at 60Hz

Can't any info on 120Hz with HDTV

 

Anyway, still can not see why the OP could not use an HDMI cable and game at 2560 X 1600?

post #19 of 33
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

As they say 1080 is the maximum for gaming, then you can not game at 2560 X1600, so why even try gaming above 1080 if that does not work?


not sure who the "they" is you are referring to.  is it perhaps the message on boxes of hdtvs that say "FULL HD 1080p" have succeeded in marketing to the masses.   with dvi-d cables and from what i have been told display ports cable you can game way beyond 1080, check my screenshot for proof/ an example. 

post #20 of 33
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Originally Posted by merigoldsass View Post


not sure who the "they" is you are referring to.   

I was going by what you said, "they" being Sony and Microsoft

"Sony and Microsoft will not support 4k or anything else above 1080p in regards to gaming".

post #21 of 33
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

 

HDMI 1.3 maximum is 24-bit 2560 X 1600 at 75Hz

HDMI 1.4 maximum is 24-bit 4096 X 2160 at 24Hz

HDMI 2.0 maximum is 24-bit 4096 X 2160 at 60Hz

Can't any info on 120Hz with HDTV

 

Anyway, still can not see why the OP could not use an HDMI cable and game at 2560 X 1600?


i am almost positive what you are referring to is only for video (movies, documentaries, etc... that go beyond 1080p).  pc gaming takes up a lot more processing power from a pc. According to a phone conversation i had with PNY my video card company, they said only dvi-d cables and display port cables can run games at the resolutions you were referring too.   when it comes to 120hz with hdtv it is mostly ********. the 120 in hdtvs helps smooth out the image better than old tvs however it is mostly marketing ********. from my own personal observation with a "120hz" tv and a 120hz asus monitor and other research i have noticed you still only get  60hz  with hdmi to 120 hz tv (at least with whatever hdmi cable i have). with a dvi-d cable to true 120hz monitor you get a true 120hz refresh rate, and 60hz per eye if you use it for 3d gaming at 1080p (consoles i think top out at lower quality 720p with stereoscopic 3d. sorry rant, hope that clears things up.


Edited by merigoldsass - 8/18/13 at 3:25pm
post #22 of 33
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

I was going by what you said, "they" being Sony and Microsoft

"Sony and Microsoft will not support 4k or anything else above 1080p in regards to gaming".


sorry, i meant to say sony and microsoft in regards to their next consoles, as of now, will not support gaming resolution beyond 1080p

post #23 of 33
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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post

 

You would think...but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

For instance, I have yet to see an HDTV that takes a real 120 Hz video signal from a computer, while a monitor most likely will over DVI-D or DisplayPort. HDMI doesn't seem to have the bandwidth for 1920x1080 at 120 Hz, let alone 2560x1600 at 60 Hz.

 

DVI will disappear one day...but that's because DisplayPort is its replacement, not HDMI. I'm pretty sure I recall hearing about how DisplayPort 1.2 will have enough bandwidth for 4K resolutions.

 

That still doesn't resolve the audio path issue, though. DisplayPort is still video-only...and HDMI is still held back by the consumer electronics industry's lagging standards compared to the computer industry's bleeding-edge offerings. The ideal solution would be to just use HDMI strictly for audio output, but I'm not sure if his current equipment would allow that.


i agree. pny said my hdmi will not do audio only, i might still try it when i get a receiver. as of now it will probably be optical cable to receiver, dvi-d to monitor.

post #24 of 33

Don't waste your time here asking this. Email or call Assassin HTPC, he's the pro.

post #25 of 33
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Originally Posted by merigoldsass View Post


i am almost positive what you are referring to is only for video (movies, documentaries, etc... that go beyond 1080p).  pc gaming takes up a lot more processing power from a PC. According to a phone conversation i had with PNY my video card company, they said only dvi-d cables and display port cables can run games at the resolutions you were referring too.   when it comes to 120hz with hdtv it is mostly ********. the 120 in hdtvs helps smooth out the image better than old tvs however it is mostly marketing ********. from my own personal observation with a "120hz" tv and a 120hz asus monitor and other research i have noticed you still only get  60hz  with hdmi to 120 hz tv (at least with whatever HDMI cable i have). with a dvi-d cable to true 120hz monitor you get a true 120hz refresh rate, and 60hz per eye if you use it for 3d gaming at 1080p (consoles i think top out at lower quality 720p with stereoscopic 3d. sorry rant, hope that clears things up.

As far as I can tell, a computer monitor or HDTV does not understand the difference between movie video or gaming, HDMI and DVI-D carry a digital signal (zeros & ones) to the HDTV or computer monitor and tell it to display a picture, based on those zero & ones in the digital signal.

 

PC gaming can take up a lot of processing power, but once a signal starts being sent thru HDMI or DVI-D, the cpu is no longer a factor.

 

Any chance it might be the PNY graphics cards uses an older version of HDMI?

post #26 of 33
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Originally Posted by merigoldsass View Post


I agree. PNY said my HDMI will not do audio only, i might still try it when i get a receiver. as of now it will probably be optical cable to receiver, DVI-D to monitor.

Why not just use HDMI cables and game in 1920 X108

 

If you went optical from computer to receiver, you would get 6-channel 24-bit/48Khz audio, it might be that the gaming audio does not really take advantage above 24-bit/48Khz

post #27 of 33
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

Why not just use HDMI cables and game in 1920 X108

 

If you went optical from computer to receiver, you would get 6-channel 24-bit/48Khz audio, it might be that the gaming audio does not really take advantage above 24-bit/48Khz


after gaming at 2560 X 1080 with a dvi-d cable and my dell monitor, i have decided that 2560 X 1080 with gaming looks significantly better than 1920 X 1080 over hdmi. unless i play a console game i never want to play a pc gaming at anything less than 2560 X 1080.

post #28 of 33
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Originally Posted by merigoldsass View Post

After gaming at 2560 X 1080 with a DVI-D cable and my Dell monitor, I have decided that 2560 X 1080 with gaming looks significantly better than 1920 X 1080 over HDMI. Unless I play a console game i never want to play a PC gaming at anything less than 2560 X 1080.

If you get a receiver with 6-channel (5.1) analog input and a sound card like the Asus Xonar DX or D1, you can get higher quality audio then the optical's 24-bit/48Khz limit, to the receiver.

As the Xonar DX/D1 will output 6-channel at 24-bit/192Khz.

 

Did more reading up on DVI-D vs HDMI.

I guess HDMI is capable of the same video throughput as the DVI-D, but I'm guessing 2560 X 1080 has not been implemented into HDMI "handshaking" HDCP.

Maybe newer graphics cards coming out in the future will support HDMI 2560 X 1080?

 

I believe your using DVI-D Dual Link to get the 2560 X1080.

post #29 of 33
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

If you get a receiver with 6-channel (5.1) analog input and a sound card like the Asus Xonar DX or D1, you can get higher quality audio then the optical's 24-bit/48Khz limit, to the receiver.

As the Xonar DX/D1 will output 6-channel at 24-bit/192Khz.

 

Did more reading up on DVI-D vs HDMI.

I guess HDMI is capable of the same video throughput as the DVI-D, but I'm guessing 2560 X 1080 has not been implemented into HDMI "handshaking" HDCP.

Maybe newer graphics cards coming out in the future will support HDMI 2560 X 1080?

 

I believe your using DVI-D Dual Link to get the 2560 X1080.


i meant to write before that i am running 2560 X 1600 (not 1080), and yes i am using a dvi-d cable.

post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by merigoldsass View Post

I meant to write before that i am running 2560 X 1600 (not 1080), and yes i am using a dvi-d cable.

DVI-D "Dual Link"?

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