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post #31 of 99
4/17/04 at 3:37pm
I'm gonna buy one of these for burning-in all the amps I need to review. Why use hundreds and hundres of hours running expensive gear and lower the lifespan of something really good when a disposable CDP is only 20 minutes away.
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post #32 of 99
4/17/04 at 3:38pm
Looking forward to your comparisons DarkAngel.
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post #33 of 99
4/17/04 at 3:45pm
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Originally posted by ServinginEcuador when a disposable CDP is only 20 minutes away. [/B]
You must live in the sticks. Nearest electronic store is 20 minutes away?
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post #34 of 99
4/17/04 at 3:49pm
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Originally posted by fewtch
Before anyone tells me to run out and waste my money on one of these plastic "Made in China" players so I can subject my ears to "cheaper than low end portable" performance, I've already A/B'd between my Audiophile 24/96 and Toshiba SD-2109 DVD player (one of the earlier DVD players, and more solid than the crap being made these days)... the sound card won by light years in the SQ department.
Fewtch, sorry to point this out, but just because both are cheap, are you really assuming the Toshiba SD-2109 was as good sounding as the Toshiba SD3950's? Let me be the one to do this then: run out and get one of these "plastic made in china" players, but not any SD21**, go try the 3950. If it sounds like the previous models to you, you can always return it in 30 days so no sweat. But if you haven't heard it, how can you back up making claims about it just based on older models?
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post #35 of 99
4/17/04 at 3:52pm
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Originally posted by gort
You must live in the sticks. Nearest electronic store is 20 minutes away?
I don't know. SoCal isn't the sticks, but the nearest CompUSA, BestBuy, Borders, and most other stuff is about 15-25 minutes north of where I am. It's not a big city where we are, but it's on the coast and really nice. A short yet pleasant ride up the coast is always a pleasure whenever I need to go buy some stuff.
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post #36 of 99
4/17/04 at 3:58pm
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Originally posted by rsaavedr
Fewtch, sorry to point this out, but just because both are cheap, are you really assuming the Toshiba SD-2109 was as good sounding as the Toshiba SD3950's? Let me be the one to do this then: run out and get one of these "plastic made in china" players, but not any SD21**, go try the 3950. If it sounds like the previous models to you, you can always return it in 30 days so no sweat. But if you haven't heard it, how can you back up making claims about it just based on older models?
I'm making claims about it based on the price. There's no way in hell that any quality could have gone into an under-$100 DVD player. If you like the sound of it better than something else, more power to you -- it's totally subjective and there's no common ground for discussion. Just please don't use the word "quality" as if it were something objective.
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post #37 of 99
4/17/04 at 3:59pm
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Originally posted by fewtch
Well, enjoy your $60 players... it's really pretty laughable when you think about how poor the quality of these things absolutely have to be for that price. In order to make a profit, the entirety of these players (from power supply to transport to laser assembly to amplification to digital readout to remote control and etc.) has to cost substantially less than $60 to make. I mean, there are some standalone remote controls that cost more than this. Since this is rock-bottom quality as a given, the fact that people are saying it's better than PC-based audio only shows ignorance and inability to set up a PC-based rig. Either that or it's the clique-y need to agree with the "PC audio suxxx" B.S. floating around this forum.

Before anyone tells me to run out and waste my money on one of these plastic "Made in China" players so I can subject my ears to something costing less than a low-end portable, I've already A/B'd between my Audiophile 24/96 and Toshiba SD-2109 DVD player (one of the earlier DVD players, and more solid than the crap being made these days)... the sound card won by light years in the SQ department. Far less grainy, far more detailed and realistic presentation.
What a load of ....

If it's "ignorance" of proper setup that makes my soundcard sound dead and lifeless compared to the Tosh, please educate me. I'd love to get similar quality out of my PC.

But, I think your stance, taken without listening to one, is totally without substance. There's no reason to think that a 5 year old DVD player is comparable to one made today.
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post #38 of 99
4/17/04 at 4:01pm
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Originally posted by Earwax
But, I think your stance, taken without listening to one, is totally without substance.
Who cares?
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post #39 of 99
4/17/04 at 4:08pm
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Originally posted by fewtch
I'm making claims about it based on the price. There's no way in hell that any quality could have gone into an under-$100 DVD player.
People a while ago also thought there was no way the earth wasn't flat, you know?

You are asking "who cares?". Man you are the one who should care, you are being totally irrational.
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post #40 of 99
4/17/04 at 4:09pm
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Originally posted by fewtch
Who cares?
So basically, you have no defense for your thread-crapping bashing of the Toshibas without actually listening to one, eh?
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post #41 of 99
4/17/04 at 5:19pm
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Originally posted by rsaavedr
Looking forward to your comparisons DarkAngel.
Here is my set-up now:

Toshiba Stack

Toshiba 3950 on top, 4900 on bottom. That black platform is 1.25 maple on vibrapods, using cork pads as spacers between units. Entire Toshiba stack cost me $135

(two more remotes, I think I have at least 10 now in my house)

Also not to fuel the hysteria any further.......but my local Best Buy only had two 3950s left at close out price of $55, being replaced by 3960.
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post #42 of 99
4/17/04 at 5:46pm
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There's no way in hell that any quality could have gone into an under-$100 DVD player.
Quality build, and quality sound don't always have to be directly proportional. It is certainly possible that with the economies of scale, efficient manufacturing techniques, and loss-leader type marketing practices, that such a player sound quite good. Whether it will last you into the next millenium is a whole 'nother matter. But not everyone needs (or can afford) tank-like build quality, and perhaps the ultra-expensive players could be considered over-priced?

I haven't heard either player (3950 or 4900), but a DVD-A player at under $80 intrigues me.
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post #43 of 99
4/17/04 at 6:17pm
I havent heard one of these players either, but I think I am with Fewtch here. Someone says they sound better than a PAD on this thread, yet it was not so long ago that somebody was saying the PAD was approaching Meridian CD players. Now, a $60 player leaves it trailing, so by that logic, a $60 player is as good / better than a very expensive CD player. Forgive me for not buying it either.
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post #44 of 99
4/17/04 at 8:31pm
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Originally posted by pbirkett
I havent heard one of these players either, but I think I am with Fewtch here. Someone says they sound better than a PAD on this thread, yet it was not so long ago that somebody was saying the PAD was approaching Meridian CD players. Now, a $60 player leaves it trailing, so by that logic, a $60 player is as good / better than a very expensive CD player. Forgive me for not buying it either.
So you believe someone else's statement that PAD is almost as good as Meridian CDP but you don't believe another statement about how 3950/60 is better than PAD? Isn't it possible that PAD is nowhere near good as Meridian CDP?

I been running my 3950 24/7 for nearly a week now after reading about few posts at AA about how much they sound better when player gets warm. I'll be sure to let you guys know when my player dies.
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post #45 of 99
4/17/04 at 8:42pm
It makes the most sense that the RME, modded or not, is in all likelihood not equal to a Meridian CDP, and that these Toshibas are in all likelihood not equal to the RME, though I wouldn't mind trying one for myself. The reasoning to me is that only a small portion of the cost of the $60 DVD player is devoted to the audio section, as it must be shared with the video, transport, PSU, case, remote, etc.; as comapred to a $300 audio card whose only purpose (and expense) is audio. It seems more likely to me that the Toshibas would likely compare to a lower-cost section of soundcards like the AP24/96 or Revo.

It is also totally possible that I am wrong, but I guess we will never know until someone does a head-to-head.
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