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post #826 of 6811
I can't afford new cables at the moment and found the memory wire cables they came with very uncomfortable, soo I removed the memory wires :P
So much better now. I wish companies offered a choice in the matter, especially with such expensive products.

*Edit: I do not advise doing this by the way.*


Edited by ottotron - 1/21/14 at 8:19pm
post #827 of 6811
Anyone else notice that the sound signature really depends on how much the nozzles are tightened? When I was switching the filters in and out, when I first reinstalled the neutral filter I thought that the bass wasn't as powerful as when I first listened to them. At first I thought that maybe it was just my brain getting used to their sound signature. The more I listened and compared to my um3x I realized that the bass was not indeed as strong as when I first listened. So I unscrewed and retightened the nozzles, this time making sure they were tight and the bass was back! I think when I was doing the install process the first time I didn't want to overtighten the nozzles but I guess I didn't tighten them enough? Maybe the nozzle has to be pretty tight for the o-ring on the nozzle to fully seal the sound? I'm not sure but I guess this another way to "tweak" their sound signature.
post #828 of 6811
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Originally Posted by FIJI View Post

Anyone else notice that the sound signature really depends on how much the nozzles are tightened? When I was switching the filters in and out, when I first reinstalled the neutral filter I thought that the bass wasn't as powerful as when I first listened to them. At first I thought that maybe it was just my brain getting used to their sound signature. The more I listened and compared to my um3x I realized that the bass was not indeed as strong as when I first listened. So I unscrewed and retightened the nozzles, this time making sure they were tight and the bass was back! I think when I was doing the install process the first time I didn't want to overtighten the nozzles but I guess I didn't tighten them enough? Maybe the nozzle has to be pretty tight for the o-ring on the nozzle to fully seal the sound? I'm not sure but I guess this another way to "tweak" their sound signature.

 

FIJI's post is good advice for the less cautious.

 

I personally have not noticed (or experienced) a loose (or incorrectly set) nozzle. The first time I changed filters on my old 846, I went back and re-watched Jude's video and read the instructions. Then I used a magnifying glass to inspect the factory shipped position of the nozzle to the earpiece and always returned to that position (re-inspecting with the magnifier after every change). I took note of how much pressure it took to loosen the nozzle the first time (so as not to over-tighten it).

post #829 of 6811
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Originally Posted by FIJI View Post

Anyone else notice that the sound signature really depends on how much the nozzles are tightened? When I was switching the filters in and out, when I first reinstalled the neutral filter I thought that the bass wasn't as powerful as when I first listened to them. At first I thought that maybe it was just my brain getting used to their sound signature. The more I listened and compared to my um3x I realized that the bass was not indeed as strong as when I first listened. So I unscrewed and retightened the nozzles, this time making sure they were tight and the bass was back! I think when I was doing the install process the first time I didn't want to overtighten the nozzles but I guess I didn't tighten them enough? Maybe the nozzle has to be pretty tight for the o-ring on the nozzle to fully seal the sound? I'm not sure but I guess this another way to "tweak" their sound signature.

I haven't noticed that although, there can be a small gap if not screwed in properly (cross-threaded). Have to completely unscrew it and then try again. Perhaps that might have happened?
post #830 of 6811
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Originally Posted by ottotron View Post

I haven't noticed that although, there can be a small gap if not screwed in properly (cross-threaded). Have to completely unscrew it and then try again. Perhaps that might have happened?
It definitely wasn't cross threaded. I am just used to not wanting to overtighten something...people, in general, have the tendency to overtighten things. I use a torque wrench to tighten scope rings on my rifle scopes, for example. In this case I tightened until I "thought" the nozzles were tight enough...they were tight enough that I would have had a difficult time loosening them with my fingers but apparently not tight enough to get the full bass these iems offer. It probably only required another 1/8th a turn beyond what I originally thought would be "tight enough". Basically I now tighten them until I can't tighten them anymore using a reasonable amount of force. WITHOUT having to use any elbow grease!
post #831 of 6811
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Originally Posted by FIJI View Post


It definitely wasn't cross threaded. I am just used to not wanting to overtighten something...people, in general, have the tendency to overtighten things. I use a torque wrench to tighten scope rings on my rifle scopes, for example. In this case I tightened until I "thought" the nozzles were tight enough...they were tight enough that I would have had a difficult time loosening them with my fingers but apparently not tight enough to get the full bass these iems offer. It probably only required another 1/8th a turn beyond what I originally thought would be "tight enough". Basically I now tighten them until I can't tighten them anymore using a reasonable amount of force. WITHOUT having to use any elbow grease!

I just tightened mine to a reasonable extent. Makes sense that some sound might get lost if there is not a good enough seal. I did not notice a significant change but still a good idea to seal it tightly. Thanks for the input. 

post #832 of 6811
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Originally Posted by truckdriver View Post

FIJI's post is good advice for the less cautious.

I personally have not noticed (or experienced) a loose (or incorrectly set) nozzle. The first time I changed filters on my old 846, I went back and re-watched Jude's video and read the instructions. Then I used a magnifying glass to inspect the factory shipped position of the nozzle to the earpiece and always returned to that position (re-inspecting with the magnifier after every change). I took note of how much pressure it took to loosen the nozzle the first time (so as not to over-tighten it).

I didn't look at how they were set from the factory but I do notice that no matter how much I tighten them, it seems to take less force to loosen them. I know that doesn't make sense, but that's what it feels like. Maybe it's because I am careful about the force used to tighten but don't worry about how much force I use to loosen them?
post #833 of 6811

I`ve only read this thread sporadically, so this may have been mentioned already : I get a huge difference in sound depending on how far the tips are pushed onto the nozzles.  I had the silicon tips pushed about as far on as they would go; I pulled them out - about as far as possible - and I`m hearing much more detail and wider soundstage.  Though some of the instruments now sound like they are coming from behind me . .  

post #834 of 6811
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Originally Posted by Dopaminer View Post
 

I`ve only read this thread sporadically, so this may have been mentioned already : I get a huge difference in sound depending on how far the tips are pushed onto the nozzles.  I had the silicon tips pushed about as far on as they would go; I pulled them out - about as far as possible - and I`m hearing much more detail and wider soundstage.  Though some of the instruments now sound like they are coming from behind me . .

I haven't tried that yet, but as others have mentioned I get a HUGE difference in sound depending on which tips I use. Surprisingly, the westone star silicone tips give me what seems like TONS more bass than the black foam shure olive tips. This is surprising to me, because the black shure olives (older style) seem to give me more bass on my um3x than other tips. However, I did notice that the "new" shure olives have a white grate insert on the end. I assume this is to help keep wax out, but I wonder if that's why the newer olives seem to have less bass than the older olives? I dunno, but the bass difference between the star tips and other tips is incredible. I seem to get the same isolation/seal between the two tips, so I'm not sure why there's such a difference. I like being able to switch tips to change sound signature - almost moreso than changing the filters.

post #835 of 6811
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Originally Posted by FIJI View Post
 

I haven't tried that yet, but as others have mentioned I get a HUGE difference in sound depending on which tips I use. Surprisingly, the westone star silicone tips give me what seems like TONS more bass than the black foam shure olive tips. This is surprising to me, because the black shure olives (older style) seem to give me more bass on my um3x than other tips. However, I did notice that the "new" shure olives have a white grate insert on the end. I assume this is to help keep wax out, but I wonder if that's why the newer olives seem to have less bass than the older olives? I dunno, but the bass difference between the star tips and other tips is incredible. I seem to get the same isolation/seal between the two tips, so I'm not sure why there's such a difference. I like being able to switch tips to change sound signature - almost moreso than changing the filters.

 

I agree with you on the Westone Star tips - definitely get much greater bass than the black olive tips included with the SE846.  Plus no need to "roll" the tips before inserting them into your ear!    They're my current go-to tips. 

post #836 of 6811
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Originally Posted by frankrondaniel View Post
 

 

I agree with you on the Westone Star tips - definitely get much greater bass than the black olive tips included with the SE846.  Plus no need to "roll" the tips before inserting them into your ear!    They're my current go-to tips.

They are my go-to's as well. I definitely get the "subwoofer" sound with the star tips. For some music, it's perfect. For some music, it's just too much...lol. That's why it's nice to be able to tone it down with the olive tips. I found that even the shure silicon tips have more bass than the olive tips, but not quite as much as the star tips. So many options...

post #837 of 6811

So I'm back from the long haul flight, and used the SE846 extensively for music as well as movies (the subwoofer type bass was great for films)... I'd had a chance to sit down in an uncrowded gate area prior to the flight to do a little A/B'ing with my current favorite, the FA-4E. Initially I thought they didn't quite hold up as well sonically (imo the FA-4E is a tremendous value in the IEM world at $520ish, having dethroned my previous favorite the TG334), but I didn't want to get out the filter tubes and try messing with them at the airport. So all my listening at the gate and on the flight was with the neutral blue filters and with the medium grey silicone tips. My first thoughts were that the treble is dark-ish, and the soundstage somewhat closed in compared to the FA-4E.... but....

 

Now that I'm home I got to try out the filters and go through the tips I have on hand. I settled on the white filters as they liven up the highs adding more sparkle and clarity, For tips, I don't have a whole lot of options for the narrow nozzle type IEM, but I'm finding that some JAYS L single flanges work great. They have a bigger opening at the tip so I think they let the treble and soundstage breathe some more. With the white filters and JAYS tips, I am now getting sound quality which is probably a touch better than the FA-4E. Oh yeah, and there's the bass! 

post #838 of 6811

Hi

 

I would like to try the White Filters with my SE846, but from reading here, I understood that such an operation may be more complex or even riskier, than I had estimeted. Especially the degradation of the sound quality due to  wrong placement or insufficient tightening of the filter/nozzle.

 

Please advice, what should be observed/taken care of  at each stage of the replacement.

 

Thanks


Edited by zolom - 1/22/14 at 1:25am
post #839 of 6811

It's very easy don't be afraid.  Like anything else, take your time, make sure things drop into place.  The filter and nozzle are keyed.  They have different shapes on either side to only drop into place once correct.  The filter is very obvious, the nozzle less so.  For the nozzle there is a small and large offshoot to line up with on the ear side.  Long story short the nozzle red dot goes on the inside.  The side the faces your ear not the outside world.  When putting the nut back on, turn it like you are trying to take it off until you feel it drop, that's the thread, now you tighten it without fear of being crossthreaded.  Don't use a lot of force, but do turn until the tool starts to slip in your fingers.

post #840 of 6811

Thanks

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