Originally Posted by Solude
Black is the warm, bassy filter, that plot would make it the bright and thin.
The black filter does provide a warmer (slightly thicker) note thru the mids and highs with a little less emphasis in the bass region. I called it the 535 filter back when I installed it on my previous 846.That doesn't mean you can't turn the bass back up from your source.
I wrote in my last post that you couldn't compare the 846 with the IE8. That was a bad example on my part. However, in order to get to the sub-bass rumble out of the IE8 I have to slide the bass control knobs on the device itself up to highest level and use EQ to tone down the punchy part of the bass (and it will kinda do the rumble thing).
Originally Posted by spook76
Truck to my knowledge you have three ways to pull out an audio signal with an iPod, iPad or iPhone with the new lighting connector.
One, you can use a standard 30 pin LOD and a lightning to 30 pin adapter. This makes the iPod simply a digital storage device and the digital conversion is handled by the Wolfson DAC in the lighting to 30 pin adapter.
Two, ever since iOS 7, you can use the camera kit adapter to pull a true digital signal out of the iPod. This will require a stand alone DAC or DAC/amp (like the RSA Intruder). iRiver's AK-10 is similar option to pull out a digital signal and the AK-10 has a built in amp as well. I have not heard the AK-10 so I cannot pass judgment upon it. The camera kit option to me defeats the purpose of truly portable as you have a lot of cumbersome wires and connections. Also, as Apple updates the software there is no guarantee that iOS 7.1 or later versions might eliminate this function.
Three, use a 3.5mm to 3.5mm interconnect from the headphone out to the amp. I find this the best for a number of reasons. I like the Cirrus Logic DAC in the iPod better than the Wolfson DAC in the lighting to 30 pin adapter. The Cirrus DAC is more musical and I found the Wolfson dark and muddy especially at the low end. Also, using the line out gives you no control of the iPod volume so that you cannot turn up the amp too loud (unless you want to go deaf) and allow the amp to open up your soundstage. Yes, I know this is double amping the sound but to my ears this is the best form and function option.
Thanks again, Spook. I really appreciate the detailed explanation. It saves me a lot of time searching for the answers.
Apple and their ways, eh?
It sounds like you feel the same about the Cirrus DAC as I do about that Yamaha DAC in the Galaxy S2 (that most around here hate). I've never had the noise issue (perhaps the T-Mobile version is different).
I just listened to the X3/ IE8 combo and thought it was alright until I compared it to the S2/535. Then I played the same song on the Note 3/846 and everything went up another notch. Yeah, I think I'm good for now.