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Originally Posted by davidmolliere View Post
 

In Europe no Exynos it's always the SnapDragon, I thought Exynos was for the US, so I got a Qualcomm chip.

E18 rev B : differences are here

 

I had the 2013 IE800 before returning it, too bright on some tracks or imaging issues, my SE846 were manufactured on 11/14/2013 BTW

 

I am fairly certain that the only reason Samsung uses the Snapdragon 800 is because of the LTE radio used in U.S. variants. I think Samsung uses its own Exynos processor in most other situations. If you have model number N9000 then you have the Exynos (and probably a different DAC than I have--maybe that Wolfson). I wish mine was warmer than the iPod.

 

Oh, and some head-fier mentioned that the Dragonfly only worked with the Note 3's default music app. I didn't know until then. It had a lot of static using Poweramp and I thought it was incompatible, but it works fine with the default app. It doesn't sound all that good though and it burns thru the Note 3's battery in 5 hours (or less).

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Just as I'm wishing for a warmer DAC on a cold day (16 degree Fahrenheit in Memphis), the delivery-man arrives with my FiiO X3. Here's hoping it is a "warm" companion for the 846.

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Originally Posted by truckdriver View Post

 

I am fairly certain that the only reason Samsung uses the Snapdragon 800 is because of the LTE radio used in U.S. variants. I think Samsung uses its own Exynos processor in most other situations. If you have model number N9000 then you have the Exynos (and probably a different DAC than I have--maybe that Wolfson). I wish mine was warmer than the iPod.

 

Oh, and some head-fier mentioned that the Dragonfly only worked with the Note 3's default music app. I didn't know until then. It had a lot of static using Poweramp and I thought it was incompatible, but it works fine with the default app. It doesn't sound all that good though and it burns thru the Note 3's battery in 5 hours (or less).

 

We have 4G in France too ;)

And mine is a N9005 alright, as are all Note3 in Europe I believe.

 

Never tested the DragonFly other than on my MacBookPro, didn't know a Note3 could power this device!

E18 should get home in 2 days :))

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Regarding the headphone lounge spc cable:

Does this cable provide noticable sound improvment to that provided by the original cables?

Is coaxial or twisted cable recommended?

Is it without those irritating semi rigid sleeves?

 

Thanks


Edited by zolom - 1/6/14 at 1:46pm
post #695 of 4155
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Originally Posted by zolom View Post

Regarding the head lounge spc cable:
Does this cable provide noticable sound improvment to that provided by the original cables?
Is it coaxial or twisted cabe? 
Is it without those irritating semi rigid sleeves?

Thanks

Yes, I noticed a material improvement of the clarity, soundstage and PRaT.

As for braided or not as well as sheathing or sleeves. You decide exactly how you want them and Ted Allen at Headphone Lounge will meet your needs. Heck he even has 10 different exotic woods for the Y spliter or even carbon fiber if you want low profile.
Edited by spook76 - 1/6/14 at 2:54pm
post #696 of 4155
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Originally Posted by daniel_hokkaido View Post
 

Anyone here have knowledge and experience of er4s and the se846?

 

I've had the ER4 for a while now and the 846 arrived today so I will be giving it some time then likely jump into an A/B some time next week.  First impression... spinning cable.. annoying :P

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Just based on frequency response alone, the ER4 and se846 must sound very different. I'd be curious to get your thoughts on whether the Shure sounds overly warm in comparison and whether there is enough detail in the treble.

I'm coming from the PFE and my se 846 arrives tomorrow.


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Edited by vantagesc - 1/7/14 at 11:18am
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@vantagesc I come like you from PFE232 to SE846, one thing to keep in mind is the filter are behaving totally differently (bright filter doesn't kill the bass, warm filter doesn't veil the sound), I used neutral filter on the PFE (to me, the best), and I use bright with the SE846 and alternatively warm on occasions. Filters are *really* useful for SE846, IMHO the PFE always sounded best with neutral. To me the SE846 sound the "worst" with neutral (they shine either with warm or bright, less so with neutral).

 

This is a big jump from PFE, you'll love them!

Give them a chance to burn in though, out of the box with neutral filter I was underwhelmed (don't trust that).

 

Most impressive is the soundstage much wider and depth also, the sound is much more 3 dimensional, dynamic range is improved a lot. The clarity and transparency is also greater, especially true with bright filter. You'll loose on treble sparkle IMHO with warm and neutral filter (but you'll gain with the bright, treble is richer and more complex and note decay oh my...). Once thing though, you'll loose out on comfort a bit but can't beat the PFE for that really.


Edited by davidmolliere - 1/7/14 at 4:27am
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How do these compare to customs like the jh11 pro, ue11 or any other custom quad?
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Thanks Dave. The PFE definitely sound muddy on any other filter than the gray (flat) one. The problem is that PFEs can sound too splashy in the high-end, especially when played straight out of my iPhone 5S. It improves quite a bit with the right source. I will try the white with these Shures.

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Edited by vantagesc - 1/7/14 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by daniel_hokkaido View Post

I remember a vid on youtube of Tyll Hertsens saying the er4 iems have more resolution than any top speaker system
he knows of.
ER4 doesn't have more "resolution". It has more unatural high end, and a completely unatural lack of low mids, lows, and sub lows. This is mistakenly taken as more "resolution" by some, when in actuality, they have more audible high end detail that is completely unlike any natural sound source I've ever heard. You may like that sound more, but don't think that's more "resolution", or higher quality because nothing else sounds like it. There's a reason nothing else sounds like Ety... because no one but Ety thinks that's a natural sound. And once you get your ears & brain used to that, and percieving that as "natural", you will never find any other sound signature like it. So you might as well either be happy with your Etys, or get something else and start retraining your ears & brain to appreciate what something more natural and realistic actually sounds like. Until you do that, you'll never think any other IEM has enough "resolution".
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Clearly...

 

I personally think they need a 4dB bump at 20Hz that rolls of to 0dB at 1KHz but otherwise quite good for a single driver iem.

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Originally Posted by javahut View Post

ER4 doesn't have more "resolution". It has more unatural high end, and a completely unatural lack of low mids, lows, and sub lows. This is mistakenly taken as more "resolution" by some, when in actuality, they have more audible high end detail that is completely unlike any natural sound source I've ever heard. You may like that sound more, but don't think that's more "resolution", or higher quality because nothing else sounds like it. There's a reason nothing else sounds like Ety... because no one but Ety thinks that's a natural sound. And once you get your ears & brain used to that, and percieving that as "natural", you will never find any other sound signature like it. So you might as well either be happy with your Etys, or get something else and start retraining your ears & brain to appreciate what something more natural and realistic actually sounds like. Until you do that, you'll never think any other IEM has enough "resolution".

There's this thing called "sound masking." When there is emphasis -- be it spatial in a mix, with a number of instruments or voice and instrument in the same frequency range inhabiting the same aural location in the recording mix, or be it imbalance in a transducer, with emphasis on lower frequencies to "warm up" the sound -- it will invariably muddy up the details that are audible.

An excellent, delicate transducer like the Etymotics series takes this into account, and provides excellent clarity by _not_ filling up the aural space with unnatural bass or mid-frequency emphasis.

Transducer manufacturers since the beginning of audio time have been marketing "better" speakers that do just the opposite, because first reaction to "warmer" speakers is always, in the short run, more positive, unless you have an ear actively and recently trained by hearing live music in a good acoustic environment.

But the reality is, that warmness will prove to be muddiness over the long run. It's not a technical limitation in the architecture, it's a fact having to do with frequency masking. If you have some frequencies stepping on others, you're not going to hear the ones stepped on, it's that simple, no matter how a device is put together. If you prefer oomph over clarity, that doesn't matter. But extended listening to well-recorded music is far more pleasurable if clarity is the prevailing goal.
Edited by Copperears - 1/7/14 at 10:06am
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Well, I think everyone should look for the type of earphones that meets their particular desire. With the type of music I tend to enjoy, the artist will perform at a concert with stacks and stacks of very large woofers. There's a lot of other instruments present (and some great musicians), but clearly they intend to deliver mega-bass (and that goes for their studio recordings as well). Vocals also tend to be thick (on purpose). Vocalist in the Barry White range are suppose to sound warm and resounding. Sometimes their voices are given extra heft (from the mixing board) in the studio and in concert.

 

Earlier on the other 846 thread, some guy complained that "if you wanted subwoofer sound then this might be the earphone for you" (but that such a sound would be unnatural). Shure is promoting this earphone for “subwoofer-like sound”. Shure's promotion can be looked at as perhaps a bit exaggerated, but it is also a warning for those looking for something completely different from an earphone.

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Further impressions getting better source files... listening to a Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab master of Muddy Waters "Folk Singer" (http://www.discogs.com/Muddy-Waters-Folk-Singer/release/2710232) with the SE846, I am just... hypnotized, a friend of me introduced me to MFSL and oh my the SE846 sing with them. I am speechless! 

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