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Not to turn this thread into a cable debate, let me say it is not just the materials (e.g. silver, silver plate or copper) but the method of casting that makes a sonic difference. Ohno Continuous Casting produces internally the smoothest material which I think is key to the sonic improvement.


spook76, you are correct.  There are plenty of other threads addressing the cable debate...it wasn't my intention to lead this thread down the wrong track...especially that one.

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Shure shipped out my new 846 (next day air) on 12-27-13 and I received it 1-2-14. Don't get me started on UPS....

 

My attempted “burn-in” comparison couldn't be fully realized because brain-burn is part of the equation plus my memory (without notes) of 4 months ago (or 2 weeks ago) is an inadequate A/B tool (considering it is the same IEM). However, the sound of the new 846 is not as I remembered from my initial impression of my old 846. There is no initial bass bloat. The sound-stage and transparency of the new 846 is pretty good right from the start as well.

 

When I had the old 846, I posted that I wished Shure would make a 535-like filter. But now, I'd describe my new 846 as a natural upgrade for the 535 with the Shure “house sound” (as they say). It's the same emphasis just smoother, thicker, and warmer with greater depth.

 

The treble of the old 846 was quite soft in the beginning. I thought the treble was pretty good on the old 846 just before the driver died. The new 846 is starting out better. If it gets even better than now, look out....

 

I would be remiss, if I didn't add that the triple-flange hybrid tips that I use now is the same one I used on the old 846 just before it died. Why does that matter? It was well broken in . Which means perhaps I (over time) mistook the softening perfectly sealing (quite bendable) silicon tip and its resulting transparent sound with IEM “burn in”. But anyway, moving on.... I still believe.

 

Due to a bad headphone jack on my iPod Touch 3G, I bought an iPod Touch 5G mostly for pod-casts and apps. I just can't get into the way music sounds with the 5G and my earphones. With the standard Apple music app (even with EQ), it is unbalanced. The mids are fat and in your face and the bass is disproportionately small while the treble lacks precision. I assume that the Note 3 is not a good impedance match for the 846, but using Poweramp, the sound is more HiFi-like (fat bass, properly sized mids, crisp treble, and a 3D sound-stage). But, mind you, I am not an audiophile. I'll revisit this in the future. I have a FiiO X3 coming that should be here tomorrow (that is, if UPS doesn't screw it up...)


Edited by truckdriver - 1/5/14 at 5:01pm
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Truck my friend great to read you are back in business with your 846. Do not tell me the treble gets better as I am one of the last first batch left with his original 846s :-).

Which IEM did you use in the interim, you old 535?
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Truck my friend great to read you are back in business with your 846. Do not tell me the treble gets better as I am one of the last first batch left with his original 846s :-).

Which IEM did you use in the interim, you old 535?

 

Hey Spook.  Yeah, I got real busy at work and was unable to do anything but read posts from my phone. I finally got a little down time.

 

I've just posted counter-evidence to "burn in", but I'm still a believer. So yes, I believe the treble got a little better somewhere between 500 and 700 hours. With the old 846 the treble initial seemed soft and lacked that almost tactile-like feedback, but that did change. By the end, I thought the 846 did everything better than the 535. The treble was the last holdout. Now again, I don't know if that was just my tips expanding and becoming flexible enough to always keep that opening at the first flange pointing in the right direction.

 

I used the E5c and the 535 when my 846 went down (but mostly the 535).

 

My box cover for the old 846 said it was manufactured on 8-9-13. The new one says 11-19-13. Shure sent the whole thing like a new purchase, so I've got backup filters, tips, cases, cables and all.

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Hey Spook.  Yeah, I got real busy at work and was unable to do anything but read posts from my phone. I finally got a little down time.

I've just posted counter-evidence to "burn in", but I'm still a believer. So yes, I believe the treble got a little better somewhere between 500 and 700 hours. With the old 846 the treble initial seemed soft and lacked that almost tactile-like feedback, but that did change. By the end, I thought the 846 did everything better than the 535. The treble was the last holdout. Now again, I don't know if that was just my tips expanding and becoming flexible enough to always keep that opening at the first flange pointing in the right direction.

I used the E5c and the 535 when my 846 went down (but mostly the 535).

My box cover for the old 846 said it was manufactured on 8-9-13. The new one says 11-19-13. Shure sent the whole thing like a new purchase, so I've got backup filters, tips, cases, cables and all.

Great customer service.

I hate to mention mine was also manufactured on 8-9-13. You think prayer will help?
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Great customer service.

I hate to mention mine was also manufactured on 8-9-13. You think prayer will help?

 

I'll do my part and put a prayer in for you, Spook.

 

Now that the holidays have passed,  if you do have a problem, Shure should get you a new one out and in your hands about a week after you send yours to them. That has been my normal turnaround time. So it is not that bad.

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I'm surely not an expert, but, from reading here, I understood that OCC silver cables introduce additional clarity to the SE846.

Are we talking about silver plated  or solid silver cables? Are twisted pair better than a coaxial solid cable wrap?

 

Anyway, what do yoy guys recommend for reasonabely priced (less then 100$),  single ended (1/8") plug, SE846 connectors, twistings durability, no memory sleeves (near the earphone connectors), which will provide a noticable improvment to an allready very good earphones.

 

Please advice

 

Thanks


Edited by zolom - 1/6/14 at 2:25am
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Long term etymotic er4s user here. I tried out a range of multi BA driver iems at the recent london meet. 

For the most part (except for top end fitears) I found all the models I tried had coherency issues. I can see

now why the boss of ety is so against his company going multi BA. 

 

Anyone here have knowledge and experience of er4s and the se846? Besides the added bass on the shures, 

how do you find their resolution overall, given that the shure is multi driver?

 

I remember a vid on youtube of Tyll Hertsens saying the er4 iems have more resolution than any top speaker system

he knows of. 

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Due to a bad headphone jack on my iPod Touch 3G, I bought an iPod Touch 5G mostly for pod-casts and apps. I just can't get into the way music sounds with the 5G and my earphones. With the standard Apple music app (even with EQ), it is unbalanced. The mids are fat and in your face and the bass is disproportionately small while the treble lacks precision. I assume that the Note 3 is not a good impedance match for the 846, but using Poweramp, the sound is more HiFi-like (fat bass, properly sized mids, crisp treble, and a 3D sound-stage). But, mind you, I am not an audiophile. I'll revisit this in the future. I have a FiiO X3 coming that should be here tomorrow (that is, if UPS doesn't screw it up...)

 

I do have a Note3 and upgraded to a Touch 5G after reading how good SE846 was pairing with it. 

(I also have, like you I think I've read that an Audioquest Dragonfly, we have common references).

 

I share your opinion about the Note3 and I think the Touch 5G sound takes some getting used to when you're used to the warm sound of the Note 3. There was brain burn-in for me with the Touch 5G sound. At first I had very mixed feelings because I am so used to woflson DACs with their warmth. Soundstage is wider, mids are better as in more lush with the Note 3 but everything is a little "messy" as in less precise and I feel like dynamic range is way behind the Touch 5G. As for bass my feeling is with Touch 5G the bass is more articulate and controlled in my opinon, more snappy too. I don't share the treble perception, it's clearly more defined with the Touch 5G, the Note3 makes things smoother though and sibilance is less of a problem with bright and neutral filter.

 

I think we often talk about IEM burn in but source is also something that definitely can burn into your brain. I have also listened a lot to my Note3 and previously S3, I believe my brain is biased to that sound signature. I had an HTC One that got stolen in between and I'd love to check that combo with the SE846 although I fear that bass would be too much (without Beats EQ of course).

 

I am waiting on FiiO E18, but in the meantime Touch 5G cuts it, as I got to burn my brain in with the sound sig. Now listening back to the Note 3 I understand better my perception of Touch 5G. I was curious to try back Note 3 with bright filter and in the end Touch 5G pairs better for me with the warm filter (which I think is your fav?).

 

 

Additional impressions : 

A few minutes ago, I experienced something really eerie, I must be around the 120 hours mark, the soundstage opened all of a sudden in a way that startled me and got me almost jumping out of my seat looking for where the sound came from! I mean it seemed so much out of my head spatially speaking that I thought I was hearing something outside of my own music. And this was a track I *know*.

 

Wow... this is just plain incredible. Wehter it's physical burn-in or my ears/brain getting better at interpreting signal, it's a unique experience really. Anyone experienced this?


Edited by davidmolliere - 1/6/14 at 8:26am
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What's the best cable for the SE846? I find the stock cables to be extremely uncomfortable.

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I do have a Note3 and upgraded to a Touch 5G after reading how good SE846 was pairing with it. 

(I also have, like you I think I've read that an Audioquest Dragonfly, we have common references).

 

I share your opinion about the Note3 and I think the Touch 5G sound takes some getting used to when you're used to the warm sound of the Note 3. There was brain burn-in for me with the Touch 5G sound. At first I had very mixed feelings because I am so used to woflson DACs with their warmth. Soundstage is wider, mids are better as in more lush with the Note 3 but everything is a little "messy" as in less precise and I feel like dynamic range is way behind the Touch 5G. As for bass my feeling is with Touch 5G the bass is more articulate and controlled in my opinon, more snappy too. I don't share the treble perception, it's clearly more defined with the Touch 5G, the Note3 makes things smoother though and sibilance is less of a problem with bright and neutral filter.

 

I think we often talk about IEM burn in but source is also something that definitely can burn into your brain. I have also listened a lot to my Note3 and previously S3, I believe my brain is biased to that sound signature. I had an HTC One that got stolen in between and I'd love to check that combo with the SE846 although I fear that bass would be too much (without Beats EQ of course).

 

I am waiting on FiiO E18, but in the meantime Touch 5G cuts it, as I got to burn my brain in with the sound sig. Now listening back to the Note 3 I understand better my perception of Touch 5G. I was curious to try back Note 3 with bright filter and in the end Touch 5G pairs better for me with the warm filter (which I think is your fav?).

 

 

Additional impressions : 

A few minutes ago, I experienced something really eerie, I must be around the 120 hours mark, the soundstage opened all of a sudden in a way that startled me and got me almost jumping out of my seat looking for where the sound came from! I mean it seemed so much out of my head spatially speaking that I thought I was hearing something outside of my own music. And this was a track I *know*.

 

Wow... this is just plain incredible. Wehter it's physical burn-in or my ears/brain getting better at interpreting signal, it's a unique experience really. Anyone experienced this?

 

That's interesting, because messy is how I would describe the iPod Touch 5G once you get beyond the initial notion that the mid-vocalist is loud and clear. The background singers and music are crammed into a small soundstage and the bass is weak (which is why people add amps). The variant of Galaxy Note 3 that I have has the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 standard SoC which (from what I've read) includes a Qualcomm DAC.

 

I would not describe the Note 3 sound as warmer than the iPod Touch 5G. It maybe a slight bit less warm (or about the same). Initially, in comparison to the 5G, the Note 3 comes off as smaller and more spread out. It almost seems to be missing some musical information. However, when I try to locate that missing information, I find it is indeed all there. The main (and most important point) is I use Poweramp (Tone on EQ off). Too me, it does bass better than any other music player (and I do have Neutron and many of the others). Poweramp is more important for bass to me than Voodoo was on the Galaxy S1.

 

On a different note, I am becoming suspicious of the bass of my new 846. It doesn't seem to have the bass power of my old 846. I plugged the new 846 into my Galaxy S2 just to check out the sound (which I recalled with the old 846 was really bassy and too punchy). In the past, I had to dial the bass control back from the 535 setting when using the 846. This time I forgot to dial the bass back and I didn't need to dial it back. What the heck is going on here? Did Shure do something different with this 846? So next, I plugged in the 535 to make sure I wasn't getting too use to higher bass levels. With the same setting the 535 is punchier (not deeper, but definitely punchier). That has never been the case in the past (“burn in” or not).

 

I don't know if I want to make a big deal out of this bass thing. I'm not as much in need of louder bass now that I drive a new 2014 Freightliner (that is not as noisy at cruising speeds as my previous truck). Quality bass matters more now, and that seems to still be there.

 

Davidmolliere, tell me how you like the E18 with the 846 when you get it. I was contemplating getting the E18 but decided to go with the X3 instead.

 

Edit to add: I shouldn't say the soundstage of the iPod Touch 5G is cramped (or small) because these things are fungible and are perceptions that change.


Edited by truckdriver - 1/6/14 at 8:47am
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I stand corrected the Note 3 uses Qualcomm WCD9320 17500 Audio Codec indeed, not a wolfson chip you're right. I still find it warmer and less detailed and not as good separation of instruments, and for me dynamic range is the biggest difference (still I tend to favor the sound family of the Note 3 over Touch 5G). Soundstage wise the edge goes to the Note3 for me too. I use Poweramp too, Neutron didn't stick for me, mainly due to its UI.

 

I should get the E18 (rev B) in a couple of days, I'll share when I have some listening done with it!


Edited by davidmolliere - 1/6/14 at 9:07am
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If you are in the United States (or have a 4G radio inside your phone) chances are you have a Qualcomm DAC. I don't know what DAC is in the international version of the Note 3 (which has Samsung's own Exynos processor).

 

E18 (rev B), eh? It's hard to keep up with all the revisions of products. We both have the Dragonfly, but I don't know what version of that I have. I read in one place that Audioquest quietly replaced version 1.0 with version 1.1 which is essentially 1.2 (without the fanfare). I don't know what to think. I guess I'll try to get my hands on an official 1.2 to see if it sounds any different than mine.

 

Innerfidelity has two different measurement for the IE800 (the original and 2013 model). I wonder if Sennheiser informed everyone or recalled the original (which leads me to Shure). I wonder if I currently have some sort of revised model? Or,  was my previous model actually defective to the point where it was out-of-spec the entire time (on its way to dying)?

 

BTW, I thought Neutron's latest UI was decent enough.

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In Europe no Exynos it's always the SnapDragon, I thought Exynos was for the US, so I got a Qualcomm chip.

E18 rev B : differences are here

 

I had the 2013 IE800 before returning it, too bright on some tracks or imaging issues, my SE846 were manufactured on 11/14/2013 BTW

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What's the best cable for the SE846? I find the stock cables to be extremely uncomfortable.
I would say as I posted earlier, an aftermarket cable from Headphone Lounge. An SPC will only cost about $90 and the fit is far better than the stock cables.
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