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post #616 of 4638
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post

I'm not sure where I stand on burn in with ba's people say they don't burn in and some say they do.. I know that my 535's sound better now and think I have around a 1000 hours.. Maybe a little less.. Maybe ba's just take longer to break in.. Don't know.. I know they do sound better now.. And maybe it in my head..

no you are right ..... my old shure se210 took approx that much to sound better than new (i noticed it mainly in the sound stage !) ..... as i am hoping for my new shure se535 cl to improve its sound too ... but any way it sounds great out of the box unlike the older ones which i hated out of the box !

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Originally Posted by vantagesc View Post

How are these SE 846s sounding with iPhone 5S's?  I've seen reports that they sound good with the iPod Touch 5G

I had the iPhone 5s and the se846 for over a month (I sold both eventually). The iPhone 5s is terrible with the se846. I mean, not that terrible but really bad. The se535ltd sounded better than the se846 when driven by the iPhone 5s. It could be some technical mismatch.
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A few people in this thread as well as the other SE846 thread have asked for comparisons against the Sennheiser IE800.  I have both so I'll briefly give my thoughts.  The SE846 were my original purchase, but as of late I've been ending up in situations where I'm forced to take them off frequently (damn people needing to talk to me.)  I picked up a pair of IE800s for these situations as I find them a lot easier to quickly pop in and out.  I've only used the SE846 with the default filters.

 

The concise version is this: I think the SE846 are better, but the difference isn't significant.  I also see how it's possible that some might prefer the sound of the IE800.  The main differences I hear are that the SE846 has a wider soundstage and the IE800 has more going on up top.  That said, the IE800s do have one advantage I consider very significant and that involves the audio source.

 

As a reference, I've also owned the Etymotic ER4P (and by extension, ER4S,) Klipsch X10, and Shure SE535.  I mainly listen through my iPhone 5S.  I have a Headstage Arrow 4G amp but it doesn't see any use.  My hearing is still quite good due to my young age and I tend to listen at lower volumes (my iPhone is rarely above 1/3 volume.)

 

First, the low end on both is where I find them to be the most similar, lacking in neither extension nor impact.  They both go lower and with more impact than any other headphone I've heard.  I've been waffling back and forth about which has more power on the low end, and currently I think the IE800 might have just a tad more, or if not, it might have it in a range that's more audible.

 

Midrange is a strong point on both.  Vocals sound very clear and realistic.  The SE846 do seem to have a wider soundstage with more of an "out of your head" sound than the IE800, which sound more closed in to me.  That's essentially the key difference for me in preferring the SE846.  The SE846 don't seem to have quite the midrange of the SE535 but that may be a result of having more bass and treble presence.

 

As for the treble, the IE800 is definitely more pronounced with more weight.  I don't have any issues with it but I see how some might.  I have no complaints with the treble of the SE846, as it seems present and relatively balanced with the rest of the spectrum.  I know a lot of people claim the SE535 was rolled off on top but it was never something I really noticed.

 

The one significant advantage of the IE800 is that they play nicely with any source.  I can plug them directly into my laptop or my home theater receiver (Pioneer Elite SC-68) and they sound good.  The same cannot be said of the SE846, which only sound good out of my iPhone.  When connected to other sources, the midrange starts to sound muffled and a lot of the bass impact turns into a duller thud even though the bass in general is still present.  I think the SE846 actually sound better out of the iPhone than they do out of my Headstage Arrow amp, but the difference is minimal.

 

To reiterate what I said earlier, I prefer the SE846 over the IE800 but don't find the difference to be significant.  The SE846 have more potential but it's harder to achieve it.  The IE800 sound just a tad worse but it's easier to get there.

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Originally Posted by Flash676 View Post
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I think the SE846 actually sound better out of the iPhone than they do out of my Headstage Arrow amp, but the difference is minimal.

 

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I believe the Headstage Arrow (all  versions to this point, I think) has a relatively high OI.  Thus not playing nicely w/ the low impedance SE846.

 

This issue is really pulling me away from considering these.  Lack of versatility likely takes this off my radar, which is a shame as I have respect for Shure.  Back to the drawing board for me.

post #620 of 4638
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Originally Posted by ubs28 View Post

I got 2 questions.

1. Do aftermarket cables for the Shure SE535 work on the Shure SE846? (i'm going to upgrade to the Shure SE846 when they become more available, so spending money on an after cable that doesn't work on an Shure SE846 is kinda silly)
2. Does the connector of the iPhone after cable from Shure fit the Apple leather case? (I can't use my Shure SE535 with my iPhone 5S when it has a case on since the connector is too big to fit threw it).

1. Absolutely the 846 and the 535 have the same MMCX connector as all Shure IEMs have so any cable that fits the 535 will work with the 846. Also, the nozzle of the 846 is the same 2.5mm as on all Shure IEMs so any ear tip you are using on the 535 will fit the 846.

2. If you want to use an aftermarket cable with a iPhone or iPod with a case I would suggest having it terminated by either an Oyaide or Viablue 3.5mm plug. Both plugs are longer so that the cable will still work with an iDevice in a case.
Edited by spook76 - 1/3/14 at 3:45am
post #621 of 4638
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Originally Posted by Flash676 View Post

A few people in this thread as well as the other SE846 thread have asked for comparisons against the Sennheiser IE800.  I have both so I'll briefly give my thoughts.  The SE846 were my original purchase, but as of late I've been ending up in situations where I'm forced to take them off frequently (damn people needing to talk to me.)  I picked up a pair of IE800s for these situations as I find them a lot easier to quickly pop in and out.  I've only used the SE846 with the default filters.

The concise version is this: I think the SE846 are better, but the difference isn't significant.  I also see how it's possible that some might prefer the sound of the IE800.  The main differences I hear are that the SE846 has a wider soundstage and the IE800 has more going on up top.  That said, the IE800s do have one advantage I consider very significant and that involves the audio source.

As a reference, I've also owned the Etymotic ER4P (and by extension, ER4S,) Klipsch X10, and Shure SE535.  I mainly listen through my iPhone 5S.  I have a Headstage Arrow 4G amp but it doesn't see any use.  My hearing is still quite good due to my young age and I tend to listen at lower volumes (my iPhone is rarely above 1/3 volume.)

First, the low end on both is where I find them to be the most similar, lacking in neither extension nor impact.  They both go lower and with more impact than any other headphone I've heard.  I've been waffling back and forth about which has more power on the low end, and currently I think the IE800 might have just a tad more, or if not, it might have it in a range that's more audible.

Midrange is a strong point on both.  Vocals sound very clear and realistic.  The SE846 do seem to have a wider soundstage with more of an "out of your head" sound than the IE800, which sound more closed in to me.  That's essentially the key difference for me in preferring the SE846.  The SE846 don't seem to have quite the midrange of the SE535 but that may be a result of having more bass and treble presence.

As for the treble, the IE800 is definitely more pronounced with more weight.  I don't have any issues with it but I see how some might.  I have no complaints with the treble of the SE846, as it seems present and relatively balanced with the rest of the spectrum.  I know a lot of people claim the SE535 was rolled off on top but it was never something I really noticed.

The one significant advantage of the IE800 is that they play nicely with any source.  I can plug them directly into my laptop or my home theater receiver (Pioneer Elite SC-68) and they sound good.  The same cannot be said of the SE846, which only sound good out of my iPhone.  When connected to other sources, the midrange starts to sound muffled and a lot of the bass impact turns into a duller thud even though the bass in general is still present.  I think the SE846 actually sound better out of the iPhone than they do out of my Headstage Arrow amp, but the difference is minimal.

To reiterate what I said earlier, I prefer the SE846 over the IE800 but don't find the difference to be significant.  The SE846 have more potential but it's harder to achieve it.  The IE800 sound just a tad worse but it's easier to get there.

Having also owed both until I sold my ie800s I would add only three comments to your otherwise very good comparison.

One, the 846s bass I feel is deeper with more impact that the ie800. It is not night and day better but the tonal depth, balance and realism is greater.

Two, I think the midrange of the 846 might be a bit better than the 535. Because of the greater overall balance on the 846 the mids are less fatiguing than the 535 especially with the white or black filters.

Three, the ie800 does not have replaceable cables and ear tips choices are very limited. Without replaceable cables, you cannot buy and use balanced terminated cables so the ie800 cannot be used with a balanced amp. Also, because of the limited ear tips compatable with the ie800 a good fit and seal is much more difficult to achieve.
post #622 of 4638

Hey, nice to see comparative inputs.

 

I'll add as far as I am concerned I'd say the IE800 is more "punchy", curiously I'd say the bass do kick more than SE846 but they are less refined as in less depth / layers of bass. It's kind of an "in your face" presentation while the SE846 is more relaxed and non fatiguing. I think the IE800 have the clearest edge on mids, I find there more emotional (and less laid back). I find the trebles on the IE800 a bit agressive at times, in fact that's why I returned them for SE846, more specifically I had issues with imaging (listen to the triangle in Tracy Chapman's Mountains of Things and you'll see what I mean, it's defeaning and killing vocals and all other instruments). It's not the only track I had issues with but that was the worst. No such thing with PFE232, SM3v2, S-EM6, SRH1840, Pandora Hope VI or SE846. Am I the only one ?

 

I wouldn't have said soundtage is a clear winner for SE846 over IE800, it wouldn't be the decisive factor for me. I feel the SE846 is more of an all rounder, the only area where it impresses me less is classical (where the IE800 just shines!). Maybe I should try the white filter, I haven't yet and so far suprisingly it's the warm filter that I like best. 

 

Played with the white (bright) filter, actually that's the one that gets the SE846 closer to IE800 in terms of sound sig in my opinion.


Edited by davidmolliere - 1/3/14 at 7:42am
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I decided to post this separately as it's a different subject than my previous post, and became a rant of its own :P

 

After 80 hours burn-in, I find the SE846 have greatly opened up soundstage is wider and deeper, and the instruments timbre (brass is just so great) is just nothing short of dazzling, I found myself startled a couple of times with tracks I know by heart! Don't trust the first hours of listening, things are not even half as good as they'll get down the line, contrary to IE800 that just wowed me right away (funny as dynamic driver should be more susceptible to burn-in...).

 

Playing with filters a bit more, I had very unexpected impressions.

 

I just A/B'ed the 3 filters for a while, playing various genre but only tracks I know by heart. Coming from the Phonak PFE232 filter system, I had expectations about how filters would behave on the SE846. I was totally wrong. Those are absolutely different in the way they are tuned (don't know about those on the K3003, would be interesting to compare).

 

I don't think the warm filter is adding any bass as I have read, rather it's toning down the upper mid range, high mids and highs and by doing so it emphasize the bass presence (I hope I am making sense here). Remember it's removing 2.5db to 1Khz to 8Khz range. What's interesting to me is that the filter is more relaxed, laid back while not loosing too much detail (reminds me of the S-EM6 highs with that filter) and I love those for late listen.

 

About the neutral filter. I wouldn't call it neutral in the pure sense of the word. While I can hear the extra detail in high mids and highs, the SE846 sounded too "clinical" to me with the neutral filter. A bit of what I would have expected for the bright filter. But that's assuming the filters only affects the highs and high mids and obviously it does not. It affects the midrange between 1K-2K and that's probably what explains my feeling. Bass feels paradoxically more present than with warm, highs are way more detailed than the warm filter but mids feel kind of recessed in comparison. I hope I am making sense here.

 

Now the big surprise for me came from the bright filterI was expecting the worst as in hot treble and hyper detailed, fatiguing and cold sound. But not at all! I kind of felt like it was the "real" neutral filter or at least what I would have expected as neutral. Again, it adds +2,5db to the 1Khz to 8Khz range, which means the bright filter actually has more forward mids, high mids and the additional detail in the 6K-8K range doesn't sound shrill at all. Also contrary to what I have read, you don't loose bass, as for the warm filter it's just that since mids, higher mids and highs are more forward, bass seems less present. It might just be my filter of choice after all! I love the mids best with the bright filter :) It's more balanced to my ears than the neutral filter. It's also where the SE846 convey emotion the best (for me), and soundstage is a notch ahead too. I find that it's the one that performs best at low volumes. Last but not least, it's definitely the one to use for Classical, sounds great. Blues sounds just right out of this world OMG now the SE846 sing fully :)) I could never take those IEM off they are really from great to downright amazing, it's really addictive you can quickly become anti-social oO

 

My conclusion about SE846 filters is that because of how they have been tuned - affecting the 1Khz to 8Khz range, it's not so clear cut that their sound signature is exactly what you'd expect from the warm, neutral and bright labels they have. Bass is consistent accross filters but our perception will change because of the rest of the sound signature is different. Same for highs. One thing that strikes me is the frequency range chosen for the filters : most of that frequency range is where harmonics sit for vocals, percussions, brass, strings and woodwinds (except for higher freqs of say cimbals or violin). It almost doesn't touch the fundamentals (I am referring to the freq chart here : http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm). I guess it's intentional and it has a great impact on the whole sound signature. So make sure you give every filter a chance because I almost skipped the bright one and it might just be my favorite, with the warm as a "backup" for say late listening sessions or while I listen during work hours when all my focus can't be on the music.

 

What do you think? 

 

 

Sidenote : How cool would it be if Shure decided to extend the filter product line to add a couple of sound signatures ?


Edited by davidmolliere - 1/3/14 at 7:56am
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To hopefully put unfounded rumors to rest, I just spoke with both Shure's product support and to their customer service in Illinois and there is no and has been no recall of first or any batch of the SE846. I also emailed the great people at Earphone Solutions, the retailer I purchased my 846s, and they stated "[w]e speak with Shure's director of sales for the East Coast on a weekly basis and we don't know anything about this."

Obviously, as I purchased my in August of 2013 (first batch), I was very interested in both Earphone Solutions and Shure's response.
post #625 of 4638
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

To hopefully put unfounded rumors to rest, I just spoke with both Shure's product support and to their customer service in Illinois and there is no and has been no recall of first or any batch of the SE846. I also emailed the great people at Earphone Solutions, the retailer I purchased my 846s, and they stated "[w]e speak with Shure's director of sales for the East Coast on a weekly basis and we don't know anything about this."

Obviously, as I purchased my in August of 2013 (first batch), I was very interested in both Earphone Solutions and Shure's response.

 

Thanks for checking with Earphone Solutions.  I also received a first-batch from them in August as well and haven't experienced problems up to this point.

post #626 of 4638
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

To hopefully put unfounded rumors to rest, I just spoke with both Shure's product support and to their customer service in Illinois and there is no and has been no recall of first or any batch of the SE846. I also emailed the great people at Earphone Solutions, the retailer I purchased my 846s, and they stated "[w]e speak with Shure's director of sales for the East Coast on a weekly basis and we don't know anything about this."

Obviously, as I purchased my in August of 2013 (first batch), I was very interested in both Earphone Solutions and Shure's response.

 

Thank you for checking with Shure. So what I heard was the rumor :deadhorse:

post #627 of 4638
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Originally Posted by feverfive View Post
 

 

I believe the Headstage Arrow (all  versions to this point, I think) has a relatively high OI.  Thus not playing nicely w/ the low impedance SE846.

 

This issue is really pulling me away from considering these.  Lack of versatility likely takes this off my radar, which is a shame as I have respect for Shure.  Back to the drawing board for me.

 

I have no problem driving the 846 with my 4T. AK120->4T->SE846. It is better than AK120->SE846.

post #628 of 4638

I wouldn't have expected a recall since you can't hear inverse phase unless only one side is out of phase.  What I wonder is if newer batches had it corrected.

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I wouldn't have expected a recall since you can't hear inverse phase unless only one side is out of phase.  What I wonder is if newer batches had it corrected.

I have a question from a non acoustical engineer, if you cannot hear inverse phase why the need to correct it? Or is this a Zen koan like "what is the sound of one hand clapping"
post #630 of 4638

Because, one would hope, it wasn't intentional and I'm curious if Shure made the change on the assembly line or just threw their hands up and said "oh well".

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