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Originally Posted by agooh View Post
 

Shure se846 vs Noble k10 ?

 

If this is a question, I'm also interested in this as I'm about to pull the trigger on the K10s as my custom alternative to the universal 8s. I'll probably have ordered by the time this gets answered though.

 

@agooh there have been some comments earlier in this thread comparing the SE846 and K10 although a detailed comparison would be awesome (and I might have to be the one to do it later this year if nothing is forthcoming prior) ;)

post #5702 of 6183
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Sensaphonics' Gold Circle Audiologists are definitely the way to go for any earmold for any company's CIEM or custom earsleeves, in my book.
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Sure! Well, I think it's important understand the context and history. Balanced armatures were developed as hearing aid technology and while we can now enjoy ones made for music, hearing aids are what they were originally made for and hearing aids are the primary reason audiologist make earmolds by a huge, huge margin.

The fit standards are not nearly as precise for a bearing aid. And getting that right fit on CIEMs or custom ear sleeves is very important for the sound itself, to say nothing of comfort.

Seeing that it takes special skills to make earmolds specifically for pro musicians and audiophiles, Sensaphonics started a special training program just for that. Audiologists go to Sensaphonics' headquarters and learn how to really do it right. These are the Golden Circle audiologists and as someone who has owned multiple sets of CIEMs and custom earsleeves, I found that it is really, really worth it to go to a highly qualified audiologist with experience specifically making earmolds for musicians. Better fit, better sound, better comfort, less problems. Just my preferences!

 

Thanks for your reasons behind your opinion, I do appreciate it.  I believe that context, history, balanced armatures, CIEMs, training program to become a Sensaphonics Gold Circle Audiologist, etc. does not have anything to do with Sensaphonics "definitely being the way to go for any earmold for any company's CIEM or custom ear sleeves".  The reason is simple, even though Sensaphonics has their own program and teaches audiologists to create awesome impressions, other (C)IEM companies have their own impression methods/materials they use as well as companies they individually recommend.  For example, I would never recommend a JH Audio CIEM such as the JH 13 Pro to be made with Sensaphonics impressions, even though it may turn out satisfactory.  The CIEM material is different (acrylic) and the impression process is more than likely different.  Another example, is that I would not recommend a Sensaphonics audiologist to create Noble Audio impressions either because I know first hand that Noble specifically uses a bite block when creating impressions, and my Sensaphonics Double Gold Circle audiologist does not use a bite block when making Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves.  I am not saying that Sensaphonics can not make silicone custom sleeves or their own silicone CIEMs well.  On the contrary, I believe they are one of the front runners, if not the best!  However, other audio companies have their own materials and techniques, methods and other nuances that they use to create the most optimal custom sleeves, (Sensaphonics, Westone, etc.) and/or CIEMs (Sensaphonics, JH Audio, UE, Noble, Westone  etc.)

 

 

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I really wonder how true this is.  Not that I don't believe you but this does sound really unrealistic.  If Sensaphonics indeed does require audiologists to attend their training to become a member of the company's Golden Circle, big props to the company. 

IMO, as with any trades, there're the normal ins and outs and there're specific tricks/experience/knowledge that are proprietary.  For example, normal dentists are trained and qualified to do braces but orthodontists are specialists.  Picking one over the other is often based on personal preference but saying dentists can't do braces right is just not correct.

 

Sensaphonics does have training so audiologists can become Gold Circle members, but that doesn't mean that they can create every other companies' molds perfectly - no arguing that.  I agree with you regarding with your opinions.

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Originally Posted by agooh View Post
 

Shure se846 vs Noble k10 ?

 

They are both great IEMs, if you are looking for an overall customizable sound signature with exemplary bass, I would choose the SE846.

 

If you like great detail, with a wide soundstage, but don't mind the bass being pretty light compared to the SE846 (the Noble 5Cs had more bass than the K10) I would choose the K10.

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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Those and the Roxannes for cherry on top.  :)

 

The Roxannes were okay, but when you turned up the bass +10db, the bass sounded overly bloated compared to the SE846.  In my opinion after doing direct A/Bing between the JH13 Pro, JH16 Pro, Roxanne (and SE846) the JH13 Pro was the all-around performer, with the JH16 Pro having a little better bass with a slight hit in the mids and highs (compared to the JH13 Pro).

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They are both great IEMs, if you are looking for an overall customizable sound signature with exemplary bass, I would choose the SE846.

 

If you like great detail, with a wide soundstage, but don't mind the bass being pretty light compared to the SE846 (the Noble 5Cs had more bass than the K10) I would choose the K10.

 

It's interesting how varied the reports on the K10s seem to be. All of the reviews and discussions say good things, but some talk about great bass while others (like yours) suggest a leaner sound (relatively speaking). Did you own a custom pair, moe, or were you trying a universal version?

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Boxer briefs 4 lyfe
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Boxer briefs 4 lyfe

 

LOL - SE846 and underwear impressions thread

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What is best in life?

Listening to good music through high end earphones wearing comfortable underwear.
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Thanks for your reasons behind your opinion, I do appreciate it. 
You're welcome. I have CIEMs from different companies and what is usually done is that you print out a CIEM company's instructions and bring it to the audiologist. What you find in practice is that, at least in the U.S., an audiologist who does musician's earmolds will be an official dealer of several different CIEM brands. For example, Julie Glick here in NYC is a dealer and audiologist for UE, Sensaphonics, JHA, and Westone.
To your point, I have also worked with an audiologist who is a dealer for JHA, Westone and Future Sonics. Sensaphonics has the training program. But, as long as the audiologist is experienced truly in making earmolds for musicians (that is really the thing that is indispensable), then you have a good chance of doing well. My CIEMs made with Julie fit better with no adjustment, so that's my experience and that's why I'm sharing.
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It's interesting how varied the reports on the K10s seem to be. All of the reviews and discussions say good things, but some talk about great bass while others (like yours) suggest a leaner sound (relatively speaking). Did you own a custom pair, moe, or were you trying a universal version?

 

Yes, it is interesting.  I demoed the universal version from Noble Audio's booth.  I inserted the K10s (and every other universal pair I have ever tried) as far deep into my ears as I could to have the most optimal seal and isolation.  I would say that the K10s were so bass light (to me) that I told Brannan that if the K10 had the SE846's bass, it would be perfect!  The K10, in my opinion, had the 'weakest' bass response across the entire spectrum out of the IEMs that I tried at the LA Head-Fi meet, except for the UERM, which is very flat in its overall sound signature.  You would probably get slightly better bass response if you own the CIEM version of the K10.  I know that moving from the sizes-fit-all tips to the SCS for my SE846 elevated the auditory experience and aided in representing deeper/more visceral bass that is now more felt.

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You're welcome. I have CIEMs from different companies and what is usually done is that you print out a CIEM company's instructions and bring it to the audiologist. What you find in practice is that, at least in the U.S., an audiologist who does musician's earmolds will be an official dealer of several different CIEM brands. For example, Julie Glick here in NYC is a dealer and audiologist for UE, Sensaphonics, JHA, and Westone.
To your point, I have also worked with an audiologist who is a dealer for JHA, Westone and Future Sonics. Sensaphonics has the training program. But, as long as the audiologist is experienced truly in making earmolds for musicians (that is really the thing that is indispensable), then you have a good chance of doing well. My CIEMs made with Julie fit better with no adjustment, so that's my experience and that's why I'm sharing.

 

Simply put, to have the greatest chance for the best impressions transferring to the best molds and/or CIEMs, I would contact the specific company/manufacturer and have them recommend their preferred audiologist or 3rd party company they closely work with, such as Sensaphonics being Shure's preferred custom sleeves company/manufacturer. 


Edited by moedawg140 - 8/27/14 at 10:08pm
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What is best in life?

Listening to good music through high end earphones wearing comfortable underwear.

lol.  So I am not alone in doing this.  :beerchug: :p

post #5713 of 6183

Appointment to get my molds re-done.

 

Meanwhile, the right earpiece sounds muffled suddenly. It's not filters, it sounds like it with no filters at all. Not quite, but muffled. It's not severe, but it's noticeable. Doesn't matter what cable, filters, or tips I use. I can even hear it flipping the left and right earpieces or cables around. I can't listen to them any more because it's driving me absolutely insane. Nor can I readily listen to other headphones because, well, none of them sound good in comparison.

 

These things have been just one pain after another. Excellent. 

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Hi all, my name is Paulo Mario and I'm from Brazil. I'm looking for a company that can make customized sleeves for my 846 here in my country and the only one that I found so far told me that I need to send them both the earphones and the pre-molds. Once the sleeves are ready, they'll send me back the earphones with the sleeves GLUED on them. They told me this is necessary because the sleeves become loose if they're not glued to the 846. They also said that the glue they use is silicone-based, and imported from USA.

 

So my question is: do the Sensaphonics sleeves also need to be glued to the 846? I'm very reluctant to have anything glued to my thousand-dollar earphones.

 

Thank you!


Hi Paulo,

This may have already been posted BUT Sensaphonics has a Gold Circle Audiologist in São Paulowho can do your impressions and send everything off to Sensaphonics to get the SCS made and final fitting upon their return. The information is below Cut and pasted from Sensaphonics web site

 

http://www.sensaphonics.com/sensaphonics-audiologist-network#BRA

 

Brazil

Karina Otubo, AuD
Sao Paulo
(+55) 11 96371-6253(+55) 11 96371-6253Email

 

Good Luck

 

If you are foinf for Customs you might as well get the SCS it is "endorsed by SHURE

 

[EDIT] Guess I should have finished reading. This information already provided. Of note it is a long drive to San Paulo from Rio. But at least you are in the same country. It seems they are it for all of South America. Good Luck. If it helps they really to improve both sound and overall enjoyment of the 8s when they whisper sweet nothings into your ear.


Edited by Monty Burns - 8/28/14 at 10:01am
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I did tried the K10 and almost walk away with it. Now I may have a very different view on the K10. I do agree that some find the K10 bass lite but that is when one is a/bing between 846 and K10. If one were to listen to K10 for an hour, one will find that the bass is really deep enough in relative to the entire frequency spectrum. Just like Stax SR009, everyone agrees it does have deep bass, but when A/B to Se846, Sr009 will sound bass lite. That is one reason why I tried not to A.B too much as it skew my judgement and I often ended up with regret buying base on this kind of testing. The K10 bass is deep and tight in relative to the rest of the frequency, the bass is fast with a very good sense of attack. The problem is when I A/B both IEM I always hope the K10 have bass like SE846, but in reality, if I put 846 bass into K10, it will sound bloated. It just don;t work this way. Same for SR009 and maybe HD800, are these phone bass lite? Yes, when compared and no in respect to its own frequency tuning. But above all personal preference  rules over all. :gs1000smile:

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