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So I got the JH Audio "can" for the 846's. Using a 3 finger wrap they fit nicely. The can is quite deep. Really well finished. Can't believe they engraved it and shipped to Canada within 4 days! Screw down lid but would not be water tight Solid machined  aluminum not pressed. I coudn't figure out how to post a pic, so it's my avatar for now

Edit: one thing I don't like so much is that while the top and bottom have a felt like lining the sides are not lined. Just metal. The 846's won't move around much anyway but I think it would be nicer if fully lined
Edited by hockey_magnet - 8/19/14 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by hockey_magnet View Post
 

So I got the JH Audio "can" for the 846's. Using a 3 finger wrap they fit nicely. The can is quite deep. Really well finished. Can't believe they engraved it and shipped to Canada within 4 days! Screw down lid but would not be water tight Solid machined  aluminum not pressed. I coudn't figure out how to post a pic, so it's my avatar for now

 

Cool, thank you for the impressions so quickly!  Looking forward to see the can when you can post the picture(s). :normal_smile :

post #5403 of 7871

Just to ad an addendum as to what I consider "Truly Portable".

 

A simple test would be can I move around my house jacked in like I was in an iPod Commercial form some years back

 

 

You just can't dance around like and idiot without be aware of the additional gear. I am however weaker than a 9 year old girl with Ebola. So it could just be me.

 

It pains me that the Sony ZX1 is not (apparently up to the job) and is not balanced. as it more than any other DAP from a design and functionality point of view would be just about right. The AK 100ii or 120ii seem great but I DAC or two. Is the Amp up to the Job.

 

I am Curious to see what Red Wine Audio does with a Mod to these units and how much it will cost to get them right.

 

Question if a good Amp Balanced or otherwise does such a good job with improving the sound and texture of the music why is the DAC or Dual DACs so important.?

 

I am not asking for Flying Cars or a Headless Clone of me (A Storehouse of compatible organs and joints would be nice to have as I age) Just a Good DAP  - yes that has a balanced output.


Edited by Monty Burns - 8/18/14 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

Thank Moe my friend for a response. Let me, if I may, answer some of your points.

First comparing a $2500 Hugo to a $500 balanced amp is a bit of apples and oranges. I am sure the Hugo sounds great but at that price it had better.

As for balanced DAP/sources, almost all balanced amps (all of the RSA amps) have excellent phase split circuitry (splits the single input into two channels) built in so there is no need for a balanced output source. In fact the RSA amps have a little switch for balanced or single input on the bottom of the amp.

Further, HeadFier amp maestro JAmato states he hears to difference between balanced and single sources fed into a balanced amp. Both MCoupe and I use and iPod Touch as our source into our balanced amps and trust me the difference between balanced and single amps is profound. I hope I have cleared up some of the confusion.

 

 

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I think Hugo could sound better with balanced. I guess that would be, the "Hugo Boss" edition though.

 

I wrote a great rebuttal, but I lost it all when my Surface's Type Cover 2 (attachable keyboard w/ trackpad) took a dive and reattaching it to fix the issue locked up IE.  Copying what I wrote was futile.  With that said, here's round 2, and I will be try to be brief (and won't go into detail this time).  Oy.  At least this won't ever happen again if I copy what I've written every so often as the PC software program that I installed, called Clipdiary (after the fact) will record everything you copy and keeps a history of it (Windows copying defaults saves copied text one time and does not save a history).

 

Thanks spook, and M Coupe for your thoughts and Monty for your balanced review, as your reviews are always adventurous and are awesome reads.

 

I didn't want to get into a balanced vs. single ended debate because there are so many variables, and there are pros and cons for both.  I was even criticized/chastised for saying the HD800 balanced (on a balanced amp) sounded better than the HD800 unbalanced, as the poster said that with his pro audio experience he knows that companies try to mislead customers with these demos that they do.  I have no clue with that regard, but to my ears, balance did sound better. 

 

Thanks for clarifying the DAP/amp specifications regarding circuitry, spook, I appreciate it.

 

I was saying the Hugo is a great SE DAP/amp, to illustrate how SE can sound if the circuitry is done very well (even though it does cost $2,500).  The Hugo single ended also sounds better than a lot of the balanced desktop amps I've heard (which some cost more than the Hugo) in my opinion.  The single ended Hugo definitely sounded better than the AK240 balanced, in my opinion.  And yes, comparing prices are like apples and oranges, which means that the SE circuitry sounds great when done right and balanced also sounds great when the balanced circuitry is done right.  If I was listening to my music only at home, I wouldn't mind purchasing a balanced amp, but in that case I'd might as well purchase a desktop amp (which I am not in the market for either). 

 

It would be nice to know if the purchase and use of a 3.5mm to a 2.5mm TRRS (balanced) adapter would automatically change the sound to a balanced connection sonically, or would change the difference of the sound in a way that would make it exactly like a SE connection (or worse because of the additional adapter in use).  I'm saying this because I wouldn't want to purchase a balanced cable if I could just use a 3.5mm to 2.5mm TRRS (balanced) adapter (even though there are phase circuitry switches that does both balanced and SE well).  I would imagine the use of a balanced cable would be better than the use of the SE connection, but I digress.  Maybe I could try that out if I was able to test it out at a meet or something to that effect. 

 

The biggest issue that I have with balanced is that I have to strap another device to my iPhone or purchase another boutique DAP/amp that does not call and text.  So I'm basically stuck on square one because there is no device that can do it all except a smartphone, and no smartphone has balanced circuitry or has a balanced output for that matter.  However, balanced is great if you do not mind using more than one device (which I do not want to do) and don't mind purchasing the required interconnects (if the DAP/amp does not come with the ones you want or need for your particular connection).


Edited by moedawg140 - 8/19/14 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by bobby12 View Post

It actually takes me much longer to put my se846 on compared to my customs lol. With customs you just slip them on in like 2 seconds and take them out in like 1 second. I use foam tips so maybe it's faster with silicone. You have to take care of customs more though so it can be a pain sometimes.

http://youtu.be/lHV_mC8suc4?t=8m42s
Here's some guy doing it in like 3 secs if you don't believe me and I'm sure he could do it faster if he tried.

I am finding I can put them on very quickly, about as fast as the guy in the video, as long as the cables are not tangled up and I get my left and right straight. I am using the Shure medium silicon tips. I am also using an ADL iHP35 cable, it is easier to handle than the stock cable.
Edited by Mikey99 - 8/18/14 at 8:25pm
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@moedawg140, I can't quote on my phone, but responding to your comments regarding balanced:

Unfortunately you can't adapt a single-ended cable to a balanced output without just ending up with single ended again because a single ended setup merges the grounds for each channel and negates the benefits of balanced.

The person who said balanced gear is a marketing ploy was accurate, but only in relation to DAC to amp connections where balanced is purely for noise rejection over long cable runs and "noisy" environments. Balanced amplification of speakers and headphones can often lead to great results. That said, I agree that you're right in thinking a good SE setup can sound almost as good as an equally good balanced setup and will still sound better than an average balanced setup.

Still debating the value of upgrading my current stack for balanced amping...
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Originally Posted by M Coupe View Post

I think Hugo could sound better with balanced. I guess that would be, the "Hugo Boss" edition though.
That's fine, the person who designed it does not agree hence why the Hugo lacks balanced! (search, this has been covered)
post #5408 of 7871
Right. A well implemented SE output with very low crosstalk (leaking of L/R channel info to the opposite channel) is so close to balanced as to make no real difference. In some cases, creating a balanced output can actually over-complicate the circuit and degrade SQ.

The Bottlehead Mainline amp is a really good example where the SE mode is so close to the balanced mode that you'd be hard pressed to pick it in blind tests (might be impossible - I haven't tried).
post #5409 of 7871
where you can buy at a low price se846??
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@moedawg140, I can't quote on my phone, but responding to your comments regarding balanced:

Unfortunately you can't adapt a single-ended cable to a balanced output without just ending up with single ended again because a single ended setup merges the grounds for each channel and negates the benefits of balanced.

The person who said balanced gear is a marketing ploy was accurate, but only in relation to DAC to amp connections where balanced is purely for noise rejection over long cable runs and "noisy" environments. Balanced amplification of speakers and headphones can often lead to great results. That said, I agree that you're right in thinking a good SE setup can sound almost as good as an equally good balanced setup and will still sound better than an average balanced setup.

Still debating the value of upgrading my current stack for balanced amping...

 

Thanks, Loquah for answering my inquiry.  Yeah, that's what I thought...not having a straight through balanced cable and not being able to adapt SE into balanced creates another expense if you want to use a balanced termination.  

 

If you already have a stack that sounds great to your ears, I would suggest demoing as many balanced amps as you can (or demo the single ended Hugo...scrumptious) and finding out if the increase (if there is one to your ears) in sonic overall quality compared to your current stack is worth it value-wise to upgrade.  Shoot, listening to the G3 the other day made me smirk a little.  And I just demoed the sample songs that came with the phone and a couple YouTube songs in my local Verizon store.  Scary thinking the phone could sound even better with the proper application and settings administered.  

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where you can buy at a low price se846??

 

Usually this is a simple answer, as I always tell people that fleabay usually has great prices, but a quick check on that site and google shows it for the regular (lowered automatically) price of a cool thou.

 

With that said, check the previous posts of this very thread as there are people who have found it for a great price via various distributors.  Most importantly, you can always call in wherever and bargain with them for a 'deal'.  Hope that you'll be part of the cult family soon! :bigsmile_face: 


Edited by moedawg140 - 8/19/14 at 12:57am
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Hi all...  I wanna to replace my ue900 with se846, but I had heard that SHURE will announce a newer version for se846 between September and October in this year. Did anyone hear anything about it?Or it is just a rumour.

 

Thanks a lot.

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Hi all...  I wanna to replace my ue900 with se846, but I had heard that SHURE will announce a newer version for se846 between September and October in this year. Did anyone hear anything about it?Or it is just a rumour.

Thanks a lot.

I have heard nothing about a new flagship IEM from Shure. If the past is any guide, I would very much doubt Shure is planning such a launch. The SE846 was launched less than a year ago and that was almost 4 years after the launch of their last flagship IEM, the SE535 (2010). So I would say the odds are very long that such a rumor is true.
post #5414 of 7871

I suppose it's possible there might be a model between the 535 and the 846 but would shure want to affect sales of the flagship in that way?

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I have heard nothing about a new flagship IEM from Shure. If the past is any guide, I would very much doubt Shure is planning such a launch. The SE846 was launched less than a year ago and that was almost 4 years after the launch of their last flagship IEM, the SE535 (2010). So I would say the odds are very long that such a rumor is true.

Might be SE846 Limited Edtion:)....with 2 more new filters LOL

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