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post #406 of 5711
Even more than headphones, disregard response charts; the ear is not linear in response, and I'm sure IEM designers continue to tune the frequency spectrum of their systems to take care of the non-linearities in the overall system, IEM-coupled-to-ear canal.

Trust your ears first at this point.
post #407 of 5711

I'm really interested in these phones.  

 

I'm a drummer so clarity is important to me.  I like being able to hear individual components of a kit to try to learn what the drummer on the track is exactly doing.  I listen to a wide range of music, from bebop, big band, to alternative and progressive rock.  I like listening to acoustic instruments (drums, winds and guitars) so I'm not really into stuff thrown together by a DJ (no offense :) ).  

 

I'll be using these phones on my commute back and forth work, in the office and occasionally while I play along tracks on my drum kit.  Would these fit my needs?

 

If ever, these will be my first truly high-end IEM.  I've owned Shure phones before.  My first was the E2G, then the SE210.  I currently own a pair of SE425s.  The SE425 does well, but tends to muddy up on heavy tracks with fast melodies involving multiple instruments such as tracks from Dream Theater.  The rolled-off treble sometimes makes it hard for me to discern ghost notes on cymbals or differentiate between splashes.  

 

Should I pull the trigger?  There is no way for me to audition these phones since they aren't being sold locally (the local Shure distributor here only sells SE110s and S210s).  Amazon has these on pre-order for $999 for January.  

 

 

Thanks!

post #408 of 5711
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Originally Posted by Copperears View Post

Even more than headphones, disregard response charts; the ear is not linear in response, and I'm sure IEM designers continue to tune the frequency spectrum of their systems to take care of the non-linearities in the overall system, IEM-coupled-to-ear canal.

Trust your ears first at this point.

 

I love the 846, but I don't follow you in the least bit. Care to expend on the ear's non-linearities?

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post #410 of 5711
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Originally Posted by e30ernest View Post

I'm really interested in these phones.  

I'm a drummer so clarity is important to me.  I like being able to hear individual components of a kit to try to learn what the drummer on the track is exactly doing.  I listen to a wide range of music, from bebop, big band, to alternative and progressive rock.  I like listening to acoustic instruments (drums, winds and guitars) so I'm not really into stuff thrown together by a DJ (no offense smily_headphones1.gif ).  

I'll be using these phones on my commute back and forth work, in the office and occasionally while I play along tracks on my drum kit.  Would these fit my needs?

If ever, these will be my first truly high-end IEM.  I've owned Shure phones before.  My first was the E2G, then the SE210.  I currently own a pair of SE425s.  The SE425 does well, but tends to muddy up on heavy tracks with fast melodies involving multiple instruments such as tracks from Dream Theater.  The rolled-off treble sometimes makes it hard for me to discern ghost notes on cymbals or differentiate between splashes.  

Should I pull the trigger?  There is no way for me to audition these phones since they aren't being sold locally (the local Shure distributor here only sells SE110s and S210s).  Amazon has these on pre-order for $999 for January.  


Thanks!

As a fan of progressive rock both old (Genesis etc.) and new (Porcupine Tree, Opeth and Dream Theater) I can say that the SE846 bass response for a drummer who likes Dream Theater is superb. With both Mike Portnoy and now Mike Mangini the speed and impact of the bass from the 846 is great and has no difficulty keeping up with the world's fastest drummer (Mangini). The midrange is incredibly lush, the treble is polite with a wider soundstage and greater imaging and clarity than either the 425 or 535 (both of which I still like). If you like the 425 you would love the 846.

The only reason I hesitate is that the treble of the 846 while polite it is not as revealing as you may like and does roll off after about 12-13 kHz. That being said, the individual splashes from "Stream of Consciousness" through "Illumination Theory" are clear and distinct. I have not spent much time listening to the bright(white) filters but when I have they do materially improve the treble response. If you have any follow up questions (as spending $1,000 blind is a bit daunting) do not hesitate to PM me.
Edited by spook76 - 11/14/13 at 9:40am
post #411 of 5711
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post


As a fan of progressive rock both old (Genesis etc.) and new (Porcupine Tree, Opeth and Dream Theater) I can say that the SE846 bass response for a drummer who likes Dream Theater is superb. With both Mike Portnoy and now Mike Mangini the speed and impact of the bass from the 846 is great and has no difficulty keeping up with the world's fastest drummer (Mangini). The midrange is incredibly lush, the treble is polite with a wider soundstage and greater imaging and clarity than either the 425 or 535 (both of which I still like). If you like the 425 you would love the 846.

The only reason I hesitate is that the treble of the 846 while polite it is not as revealing as you may like and does roll off after about 12-13 kHz. That being said, the individual splashes from "Stream of Consciousness" through "Illumination Theory" are clear and distinct. I have not spent much time listening to the bright(white) filters but when I have they do materially improve the treble response. If you have any follow up questions (as spending $1,000 blind is a bit daunting) do not hesitate to PM me.

 

Thanks!  That is real helpful feedback!  

 

I'm not really looking for a night and day difference in treble.  A bit more would be welcome, so perhaps the filters would work out for me.  As long as it is better than a 425 then I think I'll be happy.

 

How is instrument separation on the 846?  Thanks again!

post #412 of 5711
Their is definitely an improvement in the treble even with the balanced (blue) filters over the 535 and 425. Also, the instrument separation and imaging is spot on. No smearing even with classical music. When listing to Beethoven's 3rd (or the Octivaruim Orchestra from Dream Theater's Score Live Album), the extra BAs compared to the 425 really separate out each of the instruments no more "wall of sound" effect.
Edited by spook76 - 11/14/13 at 12:14pm
post #413 of 5711
Management of the distortions that interfere with clarity and what we impressionistically call "presence" is what I would expect out of these. Reduction of the inherent distortion present in any in-ear-canal device.

Try out "Rêves D'Oasis" Part 2 (available on iTunes) as a test for this. Wonderfully clear recording of small ensemble music with voice and string and percussion. The recording itself is truly "you are there," and you'll hear that or not depending on the quality of the transducer and its reduction of IM/THD inside the ear. Transients will not be masked by other sonic components, even with full bass or vocal ensemble.

Plus it's one of the most beautiful albums I have. smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by Copperears - 11/14/13 at 1:26pm
post #414 of 5711

Finally picked up the SE846. Although I know supplies are tight and everyone seems to be waiting forever to get theirs shipped in, I was able to walk into a store and buy one pair off the shelf. Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

I opened up the box and boy was the cost cutting apparent. I still own (and enjoy, up to this point) the SE530 and the metal box package was a classic. This is a minor point but initial impressions count. Upon trying them on, and oh boy I can't get a good seal, despite that I wear the medium olives for the both the SE530 and 846. The newer olives (black foam tips) come with a white earwax guard and IMHO they look ugly. I can't seem to get a good seal with these perhaps due to the angle of the cable coming out of the housing is quite different than the SE530's. The 846's cable and the nozzle seems to make a tight "V" shape whereas the 530 is more of a "L" shape, and is easier for me to grab to insert into my ears. Perhaps with enough use I will get used to these, but it seems I need to find a mirror to compare how I wear the SE530's to the SE846's, to see visually how I should grab the housing of the SE846 and twist to get a good insertion. Also the "shape memory" cable always seems to get in the way of things, so I think a period of acclimatization is needed for me to wear these comfortably and get a good seal, before I try different tips.

 

Sonic impressions are pointless at this stage, as without a good seal, they sound worse than your free iPod earbuds.

post #415 of 5711
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Originally Posted by GoSUV View Post
 

Finally picked up the SE846. Although I know supplies are tight and everyone seems to be waiting forever to get theirs shipped in, I was able to walk into a store and buy one pair off the shelf. Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

I opened up the box and boy was the cost cutting apparent. I still own (and enjoy, up to this point) the SE530 and the metal box package was a classic. This is a minor point but initial impressions count. Upon trying them on, and oh boy I can't get a good seal, despite that I wear the medium olives for the both the SE530 and 846. The newer olives (black foam tips) come with a white earwax guard and IMHO they look ugly. I can't seem to get a good seal with these perhaps due to the angle of the cable coming out of the housing is quite different than the SE530's.

My 846 came in an elegant big box (typical of a top of the line CIEM) with a magnetic lid flap. Inside the box is another case called a T2000 S3 case (from www.S3cases.com). I don't know how much it cost but I'd guess over 20 dollars. Inside that case was the IEM, tips, filters, and travel case. It is definitely not "cost cutting" compared to the metal case of my 530 (and 535). My initial impression was that Shure intended to impress (and compete with other TOTL models).

 

As far as I can tell,  the angle of the nozzle is about the same as the 530, but the memory wire and the connector may make it seem (and feel) different.


Edited by truckdriver - 11/15/13 at 2:02am
post #416 of 5711

I definitely had to twist the 846's and play with them to figure out a fit vs my SE425's.  After some tinkering, however, I get just as good of a seal with the 846's as I did with the 425's.

post #417 of 5711
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Originally Posted by truckdriver View Post

My 846 came in an elegant big box (typical of a top of the line CIEM) with a magnetic lid flap. Inside the box is another case called a T2000 S3 case (from www.S3cases.com). I don't know how much it cost but I'd guess over 20 dollars. Inside that case was the IEM, tips, filters, and travel case. It is definitely not "cost cutting" compared to the metal case of my 530 (and 535). My initial impression was that Shure intended to impress (and compete with other TOTL models).

As far as I can tell,  the angle of the nozzle is about the same as the 530, but the memory wire and the connector may make it seem (and feel) different.

I think there are 2 different packaging for SE846. Just pickup mine yesterday and was disappointed with the cost cutting apparent too. The packaging and the box does look a bit cheap. I find it easier to put on my SE535ltd then SE846 (maybe just need a bit more time to get use to it) . Other then that, I am pretty impress with the performance of SE846 smily_headphones1.gif
post #418 of 5711
I second Truckdriver's review of the packaging. Mine came with exactly the same elegant packaging Truck describes. The packaging was far and away better than the packaging for my SE535-J which was nice in itself.

The black box with the magnetic closure I received with my SE846 is my avatar picture. Is this not what you received?
Edited by spook76 - 11/19/13 at 1:16pm
post #419 of 5711
Nope frown.gif My set comes in white packaging without the clear acrylic case. Well, I guess what is more importance is performance of the earphone wink.gif
post #420 of 5711
Nope My set comes in white packaging without the clear acrylic case. Well, I guess what is more important is performance of the earphone
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