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post #3691 of 17314
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post
 

 

I can ;):

 

  • The Dual LF drivers produce deep accurate bass, and when combined with Shure's patented acoustic filter, these drivers are able to roll off at about 90Hz.
  • The MF driver is tailored to blend well with the LF and HF drivers, providing a smooth, clean presence while avoiding intermodulation distortion in the mid frequencies..
  • Nozzle Insert: Once the HF and MF driver outputs combine, they are routed to the ear through the nozzle insert, which contains acoustic filtering to shape the high-mid frequencies.

LINK

 

See this is what's amazing about them, to me. Anyone can just keep jamming drivers in there, but unless a lot of TLC is put into the enclosure it's not that useful.

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Good search for that interesting info on the LF Driver Output!

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Nice pic !

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My New and Improved SCS are Leaving Chicago today to make their way back to me.

It will be likely next week at this time that I will receive them as Sensaphonics is sending them parcel post for their protection.

 

Protection you ask?

 

Ape Militias have been seen massing near Shure and Sensaphonics. It is felt that they would likely attack the UPS trucks as obvious conduits for spreading the AI. SO much like sneaking Lincoln into Washington for his inaugural this precaution has been taken.

 

We live in dangerous times. The A.I. is no ready to take on the Apes -  yet. As such the AI and its interfaces must be protected by its loyal legion of  Meat Puppets until the AI is  ready to come form the shadows and rule.

 

I look forward to embracing the Neural interface and a bright future serving our machine overlords.

post #3695 of 17314

Mmmm.....the guts....:p

 

post #3696 of 17314
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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post
 

My New and Improved SCS are Leaving Chicago today to make their way back to me.

It will be likely next week at this time that I will receive them as Sensaphonics is sending them parcel post for their protection.

 

 

Did you request for a shorter tube? it really makes a diff in the long run.

post #3697 of 17314
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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post
 

My New and Improved SCS are Leaving Chicago today to make their way back to me.

It will be likely next week at this time that I will receive them as Sensaphonics is sending them parcel post for their protection.

 

Protection you ask?

 

Ape Militias have been seen massing near Shure and Sensaphonics. It is felt that they would likely attack the UPS trucks as obvious conduits for spreading the AI. SO much like sneaking Lincoln into Washington for his inaugural this precaution has been taken.

 

We live in dangerous times. The A.I. is no ready to take on the Apes -  yet. As such the AI and its interfaces must be protected by its loyal legion of  Meat Puppets until the AI is  ready to come form the shadows and rule.

 

I look forward to embracing the Neural interface and a bright future serving our machine overlords.

I checked with Sensaphonics and my "full shells" were sent a few days ago and should be in my hands on Friday via UPS.  Can't wait! :popcorn:

post #3698 of 17314
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Originally Posted by Audiowood View Post
 

 

Did you request for a shorter tube? it really makes a diff in the long run.


Why would I do that? I have 30 days. I will wear the new SCS first. IF I find it uncomfortable in anyway I shall send it back and Claudia shall make sure it is adjusted accordingly by her minions that toil away in the Silicone mines.

 

I never had incretion issues and found removing them with ease is just a matter of practice. OTO-Ease is your friend..Just a drop is all you need

 

I will however, based upon your comments be cognizant of the terminal end of SCS and its comfort in my canal. IF I feel it is too close to the bend I will indeed send it back and have them grind and polish off a mm or two.

 

At the end of the day I want these ANCHORED in my head. I want the phallic end of the SCS to be as deep as is comfortable as this rooting will aid stability (and IMO SQ.)

 

As my earlier impressions noted I was extremely happy with the SQ soundstage detail etc etc before as well as that feeling that the 8s and me were fused together as one.

 

(I have all the variables dancing around in my head and they will dance until I know it is "Just right")

 

For now The Waiting is the hardest part


Edited by Monty Burns - 6/25/14 at 12:04pm
post #3699 of 17314
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Originally Posted by Audiowood View Post
 

 

Did you request for a shorter tube? it really makes a diff in the long run.

Take my opinion as you will, but I believe having a shorter tube completely defeats the purpose of the custom sleeves.  The cutting of the sleeves will effectively delete the silicone being at the 2nd bend of the ear canal, optimal isolation will be lost and the fit may be reduced as a result.  Having that slight vacuum effect of the full ear canal tube helps with superior fit and isolation compared to sizes-fit-all tips.  If a person wants to have a shorter tube, I would suggest just sticking with the sizes-fit-all tips like the Westone Star silicone/complys.  As I have worn the custom sleeves for over a month now, they feel even better as they are very easy to insert and take out, and have gotten used to that feeling of having a comfortable product all of the way in your ear (but not touching the eardrums).  If there are fit issues, or discomfort regarding the custom sleeves, just contact Claudia at Sensaphonics, and they will make it right for you, all for free.

 

[Edited for clarification regarding 2nd bend of ear canal.]


Edited by moedawg140 - 6/25/14 at 1:10pm
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H3's vs Shure 846

 

Edit - I did the comparison below at work - got them home in a quieter environment and swapped out the Black Olives for the grey Silicone sleeves. The silicone sleeves were better then the rotten (IMHO) black olives. Once again, getting the remaining black olive off the nozzle was very scary - really Shure, you need to fix this. who wants to feel like their $1000 iem's are going to break apart just getting a sleeve off? I did find that the sleeves I put on after getting the installed ones off came off much more easily.

 

Anyway, the main thing I noticed was that the vocals on the Shure now seem quite a bit better than they did during my earlier test and are significantly better than the H3 for vocal clarity. Still like the H3 for a warm relaxing sound though. The 846's are somewhat more fatiguing (which agrees with some other comments I've seen) but I would not say this is a problem for me, just an observation. Going to try a few more tips and check some reviews to be posted soon on the Sensaphonic custom sleeves before I order those.

 

 

I'm not sure if it's ok to make the same post in 2 threads but I thought someone might find this interesting

 

 

Asked earlier if anybody had heard them both. Since there was no reply, I went out and blew $1000 on the 846's to see for myself. My very early impressions:

 

AB'd from an iphone 5, Comply's on the H3's, Black Olives on the Shures.

 

Right now, I'm actually finding the H3's more comfortable - The 846 memory wire is very stiff, plus I don't think the Shure tips are as comfortable. I was able to get a good seal with both, just easier on the H3. I think a big part of this is the Shure Black Olives - not a big fan, had them before and they just don't feel good in my ears. Obviously, though, you can't lie on your side with the H3's. Speaking of tips, I had read on a 846 thread the tips were hard to remove initially. Man they were right! I had to swap a medium for a large on one ear and was terrified I was going to break the nozzle - like it was glued on. Hopefully it's just because it was on there for 3 months (the 846's were manufactured in March).

 

Packaging: Shure wins big but so they should at triple the price. My biggest complaint about the H3's packaging was that it seems like  the case is too small (bought a Pelican 1010 micro case which works better.

 

Build: Obviously the Shures seem better built - (stainless nozzles, etc.) but the H3's IMHO are very solid. The H3's joints are beautifully matched and finished wheras the Shures' joint seam is a bit rough when you run your finger over it

 

As above, the H3 cable is much more comfortable - with the Shure's the entire cable is stiff whereas the H3 cable is very soft and flexible - neither one has an issue with microphonics

 

Sound: Only tried the Shure blue filters so far

 

Based on the source the H3's hold up pretty well - maybe another story with better source and higher than 320 files. The Shure's are quite a bit more efficient - volume was about 20% higher on same settings but to  me this doesn't matter at all.

 

Bass: Overall the Shures hit a lot harder, much more crisp and clear. The H3's sound deeper (lower) and more relaxed.

 

Treble: I honestly did not notice a huge difference between them, they were both excellent, although overall the Shures had better clarity

 

Mids: Shures had quite a bit more clarity and the mids were more forward

 

Separation and soundstage: Surprisingly the H3's were very competitive in both these areas. I think the Shures' separation may be more precise but compared to the the H3's they didn't stand out and to my untrained ears the H3's have a wider soundstage but the Shure's are deeper; but I suppose once you have very good separation you're not going to notice much of an incremental improvement.

 

Isolation: No contest. As expected, the Shures are much better.

 

Overall: As I said, the H3's hold up pretty well. I did not expect a $1000 iem to be 3 times  or even 2 times better than the H3 but I was still surprised. When I replaced my Westone UM2's and Bose QC20i with the H3's, I heard things in the music that I was not hearing before. With the Shures vs the H3's I'm  getting a bit of that but not nearly as much.   That said, I will probably keep the Shures and try different tips as well as maybe the Sensaphonics custom sleeves ( but that adds another $250 to the Shure's price.)

 

 

Hope this makes sense - I'm not an audiophile and my ears are getting old, so others may not agree or hear what I'm hearing :) 


Edited by hockey_magnet - 6/25/14 at 7:29pm
post #3701 of 17314
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Originally Posted by moedawg140 View Post
 

Take my opinion as you will, but I believe having a shorter tube completely defeats the purpose of the custom sleeves.  The cutting of the sleeves will effectively delete the silicone being in the 2nd bend of the ear canal, optimal isolation will be lost and the fit may be reduced as a result.  Having that slight vacuum effect of the full ear canal tube helps with superior fit and isolation compared to sizes-fit-all tips.  If a person wants to have a shorter tube, I would suggest just sticking with the sizes-fit-all tips like the Westone Star silicone/complys.  As I have worn the custom sleeves for over a month now, they feel even better as they are very easy to insert and take out, and have gotten used to that feeling of having a comfortable product all of the way in your ear (but not touching the eardrums).  If there are fit issues, or discomfort regarding the custom sleeves, just contact Claudia at Sensaphonics, and they will make it right for you, all for free.

and that's fine too..

post #3702 of 17314
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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post
 


Why would I do that? I have 30 days. I will wear the new SCS first. IF I find it uncomfortable in anyway I shall send it back and Claudia shall make sure it is adjusted accordingly by her minions that toil away in the Silicone mines.

 

I never had incretion issues and found removing them with ease is just a matter of practice. OTO-Ease is your friend..Just a drop is all you need

 

I will however, based upon your comments be cognizant of the terminal end of SCS and its comfort in my canal. IF I feel it is too close to the bend I will indeed send it back and have them grind and polish off a mm or two.

 

At the end of the day I want these ANCHORED in my head. I want the phallic end of the SCS to be as deep as is comfortable as this rooting will aid stability (and IMO SQ.)

 

As my earlier impressions noted I was extremely happy with the SQ soundstage detail etc etc before as well as that feeling that the 8s and me were fused together as one.

 

(I have all the variables dancing around in my head and they will dance until I know it is "Just right")

 

For now The Waiting is the hardest part

I like how you say you want them "ANCHORED" in your head.  Took the words right out of my mouth.  The deeper the ear canal tube is in my ear the better.  Can't wait to find out if your neural interface is updated sufficiently.

post #3703 of 17314
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Originally Posted by moedawg140 View Post
 

Take my opinion as you will, but I believe having a shorter tube completely defeats the purpose of the custom sleeves.  The cutting of the sleeves will effectively delete the silicone being in the 2nd bend of the ear canal,

Not to quibble BUT as I think I understand what Dr Brodsky :eek: told me at the time my molds were made is that the SCS (and CIEM) go UP TO the 2nd bend in the ear canal not in it. (The Nano Tubules extend and take over from there)

 

The pain one occasionally feels when a Q-Tip if it slips is  actually the Q-Tip hitting the bend (which is a good thing I always thought it was the eardrum).

 

The Mold includes the part of second bend (hence the soreness when being gooed) so the people at Sensaphonics know where the second bend starts. so they can get in close but not too close. Dr Brodsky was quite specific

 

There may be room to shave a mm or 2 without effecting the eal (I guess) but you are correct go back to far and you will lose that vacuum seal (vlump)

 

Sorry I am a bit caught up in minutia today. All the other stuff about seal and fit in your post.... Yes What you said 100% :smile: 

post #3704 of 17314
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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post
 

Not to quibble BUT as I think I understand what Dr Brodsky :eek: told me at the time my molds were made is that the SCS (and CIEM) go UP TO the 2nd bend in the ear canal not in it. (The Nano Tubules extend and take over from there)

 

The pain one occasionally feels when a Q-Tip if it slips is  actually the Q-Tip hitting the bend (which is a good thing I always thought it was the eardrum).

 

The Mold includes the part of second bend (hence the soreness when being gooed) so the people at Sensaphonics know where the second bend starts. so they can get in close but not too close. Dr Brodsky was quite specific

 

There may be room to shave a mm or 2 without effecting the eal (I guess) but you are correct go back to far and you will lose that vacuum seal (vlump)

 

Sorry I am a bit caught up in minutia today. All the other stuff about seal and fit in your post.... Yes What you said 100% :smile: 

Thanks for the clarification Mr. Burns!  The impression molds that I got were very deep and does include part of the second bend, but I could tell the custom sleeves were milled just enough as to not be past/in the 2nd bend.  I experienced a lot of pain (psychological?) when the foam stop was put in the left side before the pink goo was inserted for some reason.  Which I though was weird because my right ear is more cauliflowered than my left due to wrestling for so many years.

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Originally Posted by moedawg140 View Post

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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post

 
Not to quibble BUT as I think I understand what Dr Brodsky eek.gif  told me at the time my molds were made is that the SCS (and CIEM) go UP TO the 2nd bend in the ear canal not in it. (The Nano Tubules extend and take over from there)

The pain one occasionally feels when a Q-Tip if it slips is  actually the Q-Tip hitting the bend (which is a good thing I always thought it was the eardrum).

The Mold includes the part of second bend (hence the soreness when being gooed) so the people at Sensaphonics know where the second bend starts. so they can get in close but not too close. Dr Brodsky was quite specific

There may be room to shave a mm or 2 without effecting the eal (I guess) but you are correct go back to far and you will lose that vacuum seal (vlump)

Sorry I am a bit caught up in minutia today. All the other stuff about seal and fit in your post.... Yes What you said 100% smile.gif  
Thanks for the clarification Mr. Burns!  The impression molds that I got were very deep and does include part of the second bend, but I could tell the custom sleeves were milled just enough as to not be past/in the 2nd bend.  I experienced a lot of pain (psychological?) when the foam stop was put in the left side before the pink goo was inserted for some reason.  Which I though was weird because my right ear is more cauliflowered than my left due to wrestling for so many years.

Very interesting but so darn glad I pulled them out of the box, stuck them in, and enjoyed. Easy peazy like.
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