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How do you find the stock cable with the 846s? I read reports of it being too stiff/inflexible? I'm unsure about the sonic benefits of a

 

cable upgrade.My main concern with the supplied cable,is that the ear guide section will pull away from the 'phone effecting the seal.

 

Thanks.

post #3677 of 16771
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Originally Posted by Cenacheros View Post
 

How do you find the stock cable with the 846s? I read reports of it being too stiff/inflexible? I'm unsure about the sonic benefits of a

 

cable upgrade.My main concern with the supplied cable,is that the ear guide section will pull away from the 'phone effecting the seal.

 

Thanks.

Most will say the stock cable is uncomfortable, stiff, and other expletives.  The ear guide section will not pull away from the 'phone, and won't "effect the seal".  The memory wire/ear guide is built very sturdy, but I took a razor with pliers to take out the memory wire and that in my opinion, increased comfort tenfold.  Oh yeah, the stock cable is made with kevlar, so it will be naturally "ridged".  I tried the Estron Linum MMCX BaX cable, but returned it because even though it was very comfortable because of its invisible-like quality, the audio was slightly muffled compared to the stock cable.  There are many cables to choose from.  Most people who have a 3rd party cable are using the Silver Litz reference and balanced cable from Ted Allen: headphonelounge.com.  I have one on order (demo), and can't wait to hear it compared to the stock cable.


Edited by moedawg140 - 6/25/14 at 12:58am
post #3678 of 16771
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Originally Posted by Cenacheros View Post
 

How do you find the stock cable with the 846s? I read reports of it being too stiff/inflexible? I'm unsure about the sonic benefits of a

 

cable upgrade.My main concern with the supplied cable,is that the ear guide section will pull away from the 'phone effecting the seal.

 

Thanks.

Actually the stock cable is good and does not pull away at all. Some have not liked the memory wire or they complain about the cable being stiff. Changing the stock cable to a after market one can be better or it can be worse. It depends on the material of the cable and the connectors. Also how the cable is built will it last as long or more than the stock cable. I myself have one 846 with the stock cable which keeps that hard bass impact and I have another 846 with an after market cable which is made of Copper/Silver/Gold. this combination made the Meds and Treble stand out a bit more , made them wider and clearer which in a way tamed the bass or because the Meds and Treble were improved my focus is not only on the bass.

post #3679 of 16771
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Originally Posted by moedawg140 View Post
 

Most will say the stock cable is uncomfortable, stiff, and other expletives.  The ear guide section will not pull away from the 'phone, and won't "effect the seal".  The memory wire/ear guide is built very sturdy, but I took a razor with pliers to take out the memory wire and that in my opinion, increased comfort tenfold.  Oh yeah, the stock cable is made with kevlar, so it will be naturally "ridged".  I tried the Estron Linum MMCX BaX cable, but returned it because even though it was very comfortable because of its invisible-like quality, the audio was slightly muffled compared to the stock cable.  There are many cables to choose from.  Most people who have a 3rd party cable are using the Silver Litz reference and balanced cable from Ted Allen: headphonelounge.com.  I have one on order (demo), and can't wait to hear it compared to the stock cable.

If your after market cable was made of Copper it will make the 846 sound less bright. I demoed some cables made of Copper and Silver and it did the same as the Copper one which is not what I wanted. I want the hard hitting bass along with clear meds and highs. A Silver or a Silver/gold can improve it.

post #3680 of 16771
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If your after market cable was made of Copper it will make the 846 sound less bright. I demoed some cables made of Copper and Silver and it did the same as the Copper one which is not what I wanted. I want the hard hitting bass along with clear meds and highs. A Silver or a Silver/gold can improve it.

Usually copper will make the earphones (not just the SE846) sound more warm, and silver will make the earphones sound more bright.  There are various factors that will determine just how the cable sounds.  The Estron is made out of silver plated copper, the same as the stock Shure SE846 cable.  The factor that changed how it sounded was the diameter (gauge) of the cable.  The lower diameter cable increased impedance, thus slightly muffled sound compared to the thicker diameter stock SE846 was the result.  It really comes down to what you want and what sounds good to you.  Gold is worse than copper when it comes to conductivity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity, hence I personally wouldn't use it for my 3rd party cable wants/needs.  But if you like the sound of it, more power to you. :bigsmile_face:

 

Anyways, I'm going to try out the HL Silver Litz and listen if it keeps the bass just as perceivably strong, or better, than the stock SE846 cable, because I know by default the audio of the mids and highs will be elevated to another level.  

post #3681 of 16771
UPS is playing with my heart. My headphones were scheduled for early delivery but seem to have fallen back an extra day to the original date. Sigh....
post #3682 of 16771
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Originally Posted by moedawg140 View Post
 

Usually copper will make the earphones (not just the SE846) sound more warm, and silver will make the earphones sound more bright.  There are various factors that will determine just how the cable sounds.  The Estron is made out of silver plated copper, the same as the stock Shure SE846 cable.  The factor that changed how it sounded was the diameter (gauge) of the cable.  The lower diameter cable increased impedance, thus slightly muffled sound compared to the thicker diameter stock SE846 was the result.  It really comes down to what you want and what sounds good to you.  Gold is worse than copper when it comes to conductivity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity, hence I personally wouldn't use it for my 3rd party cable wants/needs.  But if you like the sound of it, more power to you. :bigsmile_face:

 

Anyways, I'm going to try out the HL Silver Litz and listen if it keeps the bass just as perceivably strong, or better, than the stock SE846 cable, because I know by default the audio of the mids and highs will be elevated to another level.  

 

You know a lot of details of metals and diameters of cables and thats nice. I am in Hong Kong and most of the audio stores here will let the shopper demo all of the cables and demo them all day long. So I do not go into the store with diameters of cable I do go in a demo them all day. I did not find a big improvement with the Copper/Silver on the 846. I did find improvement for the JH13 using the Copper/Silver. What made a big improvement was when I demoed the Copper/Silver/Gold but I did not want to spend $500 Dollars but due to the improvement on the 846 using this combination of metals I bought it.

post #3683 of 16771
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You know a lot of details of metals and diameters of cables and thats nice. I am in Hong Kong and most of the audio stores here will let the shopper demo all of the cables and demo them all day long. So I do not go into the store with diameters of cable I do go in a demo them all day. I did not find a big improvement with the Copper/Silver on the 846. I did find improvement for the JH13 using the Copper/Silver. What made a big improvement was when I demoed the Copper/Silver/Gold but I did not want to spend $500 Dollars but due to the improvement on the 846 using this combination of metals I bought it.

I live in southern California, and do not know of (haven't really looked extensively) of any places to demo dozens of 3rd party cables, so I'm going to educate myself and find out as much as I can before I purchase a cable, since I won't be able to just demo a bunch of cables.  However, I am really excited to be attending the upcoming LA Head-Fi Meet August 9th, so I will be able to demo various cables to my heart's content.  I was even advised, and read about on here, that a good DAC/amp like the Hugo or Ray Samuels SR-71B would be a much better upgrade than just/only a new shiny 3rd party cable.  I really don't want to carry anything else with me other than my iPhone 5 and Shure SE846 with Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves, but if I hear a superb upgrade in sound from the Hugo or any other portable amp at the meet (I'm sure I will), one lucky amp may be my next upgrade, to be used at least for home use.

post #3684 of 16771
These are awfully tempting all of a sudden 😁
Does anyone have any experience with the 846 compared to good hybrids such as the DN2K or H-300?

I have a sneaking suspicion that they will not sound that much better, but I would love to hear if that is not the case!
post #3685 of 16771
What sold me on these versus a hybrid headphone was the lowpass filter thing. I think the physical tubes that the bass has to travel through is really cool. Reminds me of various subwoofers I've had in my car over the years. I think it has something to do with the "backpressure" of the sound as the bass rumbles. Similar to a sealed subwoofer or properly ported woofer - although totally different concept. I don't know what I'm trying to saying but I just feel like it should physically be better. Hah maybe that's shures intention... Also placebo lol.

Unfortunately I don't have my 846 yet (tomorrow!!!) So I can give impressions.

I really liked the innovation that went into these IEMs as they are not just another multi driver iem. They have some extra stuff going on. Also shure build quality is superb.
Edited by Mitchell4500 - 6/25/14 at 6:43am
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That's actually a big reason I went for these instead of some of the others. I can't see a single effing reason to cram 6, 8, or 13 drivers in each ear. Top end audio doesn't do that, look at SQ competitions in cars. They tend to be highs, mids, bass, and the important thing is the setup. Adding more and more drivers does nothing useful. Shure took that idea and went "hey why don't we engineer a great enclosure" and bingo bango out comes the SE846. I can't seem to find out exactly how the four drivers work, as in which ones are at what portions of the frequency range, although I believe there are two "subwoofers". 

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That's actually a big reason I went for these instead of some of the others. I can't see a single effing reason to cram 6, 8, or 13 drivers in each ear. Top end audio doesn't do that, look at SQ competitions in cars. They tend to be highs, mids, bass, and the important thing is the setup. Adding more and more drivers does nothing useful. Shure took that idea and went "hey why don't we engineer a great enclosure" and bingo bango out comes the SE846. I can't seem to find out exactly how the four drivers work, as in which ones are at what portions of the frequency range, although I believe there are two "subwoofers". 

 

Jerry explains why he is using multiple BA in his monitor design at the google interview from earlier this year:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inno2Lj8H5g&t=31m30s


Edited by Samehada - 6/25/14 at 8:39am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inno2Lj8H5g&t=31m30s

Nice video and informative and that earphone sounded ok but it wasnt that bright (Compared to the Shure 846 and Fitear MH335DW) with 4 Drivers for the treble.

post #3689 of 16771
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I took the plunge!  Should have my SE846's Wednesday!  If I really really like them, someone is gonna get a great deal on my W40's which are very lightly used.  Stay tuned.

Can't wait to hear your impressions, Spyro! 

post #3690 of 16771
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 I can't seem to find out exactly how the four drivers work, as in which ones are at what portions of the frequency range, although I believe there are two "subwoofers". 

 

I can ;):

 

  • The Dual LF drivers produce deep accurate bass, and when combined with Shure's patented acoustic filter, these drivers are able to roll off at about 90Hz.
  • The MF driver is tailored to blend well with the LF and HF drivers, providing a smooth, clean presence while avoiding intermodulation distortion in the mid frequencies..
  • Nozzle Insert: Once the HF and MF driver outputs combine, they are routed to the ear through the nozzle insert, which contains acoustic filtering to shape the high-mid frequencies.

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