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post #3496 of 16757
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

As for build quality, unfortunately here the 846 is far and away better than the W60. The build quality on the W60 is a disgrace for a $1,000 product. It feels like a piece of cheap plastic and lo and behold it is a cheap piece of plastic. Contrast that with the superb, precision engineered 846 and the W60 falls very short.

 

Yes plastic gets a bad rep when really it is about implementation. The SE846 oozes class and engineering in hand despite also employing an outer plastic shell. The transparent case is a thing of beauty. You can marvel at the drivers inside, which do touch the walls. Everything is tight and feels robust. What you get is a sense of reassurance. Step-up from the now-sold SE535 - itself no lightweight and worked like a dream for a touch over 2-years

post #3497 of 16757
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

Yes plastic gets a bad rep when really it is about implementation. The SE846 oozes class and engineering in hand despite also employing an outer plastic shell. The transparent case is a thing of beauty. You can marvel at the drivers inside, which do touch the walls. Everything is tight and feels robust. What you get is a sense of reassurance. Step-up from the now-sold SE535 - itself no lightweight and worked like a dream for a touch over 2-years

The SE846 uses an acrylic shell the W60 is a far cry from such a sold body. I felt like I might crush the W60s when handling them.
post #3498 of 16757

From the comparisons, I want a W60-SE846 love child. 

post #3499 of 16757
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post
 

 

I missed class...what does the "full shell" mean vs what Monty showed previously, or are his the FS sleeve?

Sorry, burtomr.  Several pages ago I gave a link to my review of the Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves that explains the difference between "full shell", "regular", and most everything else regarding the custom sleeves.  Monty Burns and mine are "regular" sleeves, but we are both getting the "full shell" remakes and should receive them soon.  Here's the link to my review if you missed it (no scantron or written test required as I despise tests): http://www.head-fi.org/t/723306/review-sensaphonics-custom-sleeves-in-crystal-blue-for-the-shure-se846.  Enjoy!

post #3500 of 16757
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post
 

 

I missed class...what does the "full shell" mean vs what Monty showed previously, or are his the FS sleeve?


As I "understand" it (so you be taking your chances here). The Full Shell covers/fills the Cymba or Conch (The diagram of the ear is confusing(to me) of the outer ear. The "Half Shells" cover up to an area below that

 

The weight and orientation of the 8s Can in some cases cause the 8s + SCS to shift / pull down, By going full shell as is the case in CIEM the SCS will seat better overall and secure better causing the 8s(SCS not to pull down. In some cases looseness was caused (but not in my case a loss of seal just an occasional feeling of loss of cohesion beyond the seal and of course the soreness on my outer left ear.

 

I am the ultimate beta tester and I suppose a company's worst nightmare. I notice everything especially where comfort is concerned.

 

The 8s are slightly bigger heavier  and orient differently than the 5s on down the Shure line where a Half Shell SCS has worked perfectly.. I note it was not until quite recently Sensaphonics introduced the SCS for the 8s because it was not a cut and paste form the 5s Result...there have been some unanticipated issues with the 8s pulling down ever so slightly in some cases. Full Shell is the new order of the day (as I understand it) at Sensaphonics.

 

A prime example where Excellent CS and helpful Client feedback can result in positive change. Unlike a mass production product the SCS design and manufacture process can be modified and improved based upon Real World experience ... If a company can Oops and still keep me happy especially if this is our first dance they must e doing something right or they are just pain masochists

 

Shure chooses it's dance partners carefully. Or they just go to companies located in or around Chicago I tend to go with the former (careful choice)

 

For an Educated answer Check our Mowdawg's review of his SCS its in there with picutes and a craft project (I shouldn't use knives)

 http://www.head-fi.org/t/723306/review-sensaphonics-custom-sleeves-in-crystal-blue-for-the-shure-se846


Edited by Monty Burns - 6/20/14 at 2:32pm
post #3501 of 16757
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

Monty,

You asked for more comparisons here you go. I posted this review/comparison on the W60s to the 8s on the Westone 60 thread:
 

Thank you. As a fan of the SHURE house sound I was always biased to buy the 8s. As Well Westone did not announce the 8s until after I ordered or was it just before. In any case I was not up to any delays I need to strike while my Want needle was set on NEED.

 

Glad to see my research and faith in Shure did not leave me with 1 buyers remorse and 2 a Want on the list pushing its way to Need.

 

I do love the Crystal Shell So MUCH CLEARER than my 5s which literally look dull by comparison. NO wonder they are boxed up like a Cylon Skin-job spouting Heresy (Lucy Lawless cylon in particular)

 

Cheers

post #3502 of 16757
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

From the comparisons, I want a W60-SE846 love child. 

MCoupe and I both said the same. About 20% of W60s (greater treble and detail) mated with the 846 would be perfect.

Monty, rest assured you should feel no buyer's remorse with your 8s. Also, let's be honest the 8s are, by your own admission, now hard wired into your brain so removal would probably kill you.
post #3503 of 16757
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post


MCoupe and I both said the same. About 20% of W60s (greater treble and detail) mated with the 846 would be perfect.
 

 

That is exactly what is holding me off the SE846. I'm sure I'd love the SE846 for some things...but I keep wondering if its the one iem that will do it for every genre, especially since I listen to mostly classical. So far, there have been very few all rounder iems I've found. 

post #3504 of 16757
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post
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Monty, rest assured you should feel no buyer's remorse with your 8s. Also, let's be honest the 8s are, by your own admission, now hard wired into your brain so removal would probably kill you.

That is so true But I am assured that the interface will be fully compatible with future models. I am have the "rough in wiring " for the inevitable much anticipated Neural Interface Plug and play baby - Resistance is futile

The Original Terminator was a T800 the 846 is already several more iterations more advanced. I am very excited (so the 8s tell me)

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I've been listening to these for three weeks now and am very impressed by the sound quality.  Listening has been performed on an iPhone 5 using the blue filters (neutral) and black foam tips.  Most of my music is 160Kbits/sec variable bit rate AAC.  Compared to my other IEM's:

- The bass response is palpable without muddying the sound.  Dynamics seem natural on good recordings.

- The ambience/spaciousness/reverb/atmosphere is as good as or better than any other IEM I own (see the list)

- The HF is present without being fatiguing with the blue filter.  I found the white filter provided more than the expected 2.5db HF boost, which was verified by a frequency response plot on Golden Ears.  The white filter is just a bit too bright in my opinion.  A modded blue cutting back about 50% of the dampening material might be perfect.

- Mids are lush

- Has no troubles handling harmonically complex passages: Metal, dense reverb, symphonic, etc.

- Stereo separation seems accurate.   Equal energy panning left-right-left seemed very natural

- Phase response accurately reproduces stereo flanging effects

 

Using a tone generator program, the SE846s reproduced down to 23Hz.  At the upper end, roll-off was very apparent after 11kHz.  I compared this roll-off to the UM3X and noticed the same behavior.  This corresponds to the Golden Ear measurements for the SE846, but will check against Etymotic 4S as my ears are getting older and I'm actually curious how much high end is left.  The last time I had an audiology exam 10 years ago, I was down about 3db at 8kHz in my right ear.  That test didn't run above 8kHz. 

 

Negatives:

- Stiff cord is microphonic and I don't like memory wire cords.

- Larger IEM body does cause some discomfort after 2-3 hours listening in my small ears.  Certainly not like the UM3Xs that seem to vanish when worn.

- The right side nozzle retainer doesn't seat fully on the upper "O" ring--off by about 50um, just enough to see air when held to the light.  Manufacture date is 2/11/14.  Probably, the retainer is machined just a bit too tall.  I've not checked for any molding burrs.

- The right side metal sound nozzle interface rocks a bit in the clear plastic shell when removing tips due to tolerance slop between the nozzle and 4 molded plastic capture posts.  Movement is visible inside the housing.

- The weight of the drivers makes these problematic for use during exercise.  Distortions of the ear canal while walking are clearly audible.  There's really no point using these during exercise IMO.

 

Off-the-cuff observations needing more A/B comparisons:

- After just two weeks of auditioning, my UM3Xs are sounding bass light due to psychoacoustics.

- These are roughly similar to W3s with an extra lower octave added and less bass bleed into the mids.

- Passive sound blocking doesn't seem uniform up and down the frequency spectrum.  There's some bandpass filtering going on.  The passive blocking is good, however.  I'll check this later with a good white noise source and try to quantify blocking efficiency against other IEMs.  

 

I plan extensive A/B comparisons with W3, UM3X, ETY 4S, SM3v1, and IE8 after I've had a few more weeks to enjoy the musicality without dissecting the sound.  They're just really good.

 

Comments:

These were purchased new from Sound Productions in Irving, Texas for ~$770.  Shure recommended Sound Productions as a local store that carried them, they were in stock, and they're authorized (twice verified).  The trade off is a 15% restocking fee if you don't like them and a 21 day return policy.  I took the risk based on many Head-Fi recommendations, as well as other reviews, and am quite happy.  Sound Productions specializes in live venue sound production, mixers, sound reinforcement and sound installation equipment.  They've been around for over 35 years.  I couldn't find a location that offered auditioning, not even during a visit to Orlando, Florida where I thought this might be possible (EarphoneSolutions).  (BTW, I am not a Sound Productions employee.  I was just happy to find the SE846s in town.)

 

I auditioned the ~$120,000 JVC single person sound room at StarPower as a comparison.  The dual $35k each JBL speakers, full room treatment, baffled walls, Crowne amps (?), 24 bit, 96kbit/sec audio, DSP corrected, and perfect placement recliner did sound better than the SE846, and for only 150x the cost. :wink_face:

 

Buy these for the sound, not the pack-in's.  The hard case is too large to be practical.  A water proof hard case that better fits the IEM is available at Fry's for $13.

 

These are the first IEMs I've owned that make 32' organ ranks sound authentic.  (Bliss is singing a choir in the Morton Myerson Symphony Center enveloped by the sounds of the Lay Family Concert Pipe Organ played by an expert.  Bliss is feeling that pipe organ vibrate the concrete floor--it's got power when pushed.)

 

Hm, now I need a better DAP source.


Edited by IpodHappy - 6/20/14 at 4:23pm
post #3506 of 16757
The problem with your right side is that the metal nozzle did not line up with the IEM body. It happens to me every time I carelessly change filters.

Unscrew it and make sure the metal nozzle sinks into the housing and the red marks line up. Then carefully screw it down making sure the nozzle does not shift. You know it is properly screwed in when there is no gap between the nozzle assembly and the IEM.
post #3507 of 16757

Spook76, Thanks for the input.  When first noticed, I spent 15 minutes lining up the red marks, feeling the keyed tab slip down into its recess, checking for rotational slop, and making sure the nozzle was perfectly perpendicular in the hole.  I did it multiple times after seeing the air-gap.  The nozzle is well seated.  50um is so slight, you can only see the gap by holding it to the light.  I also noticed that that molded "O" ring has a roughness to it on the right earpiece that the left one doesn't--the retainer ring didn't sit down on it in the factory either.

post #3508 of 16757
Seemingly the W60 and IE800 are much alike in their sizzling hot treble presentation. Whether it's the.beef or the onions that are respectively sizzling remains to be heard as I have not had the chance to audition them (yet). Cymbal clashes with the IE800s sounded okay by themselves (the count in to "This Is Who We Are" by Machine Head) but in the mix they sounded thinly bodied. Otherwise the treble got far too hot in places. For a long time, male vocals took an icy, lispy "quality", further exasperated when singing lyrics where the letter S is prominant. An overcooked on the outside, raw in the middle pattie perhaps? (Which could be interpreted as a huge indictment against Sennheiser, but it's not intended quite as such).

I like the 846' medium-rare treble, pink slither and evenly charred, which is most favourable to my ears. The amount of extension matches my tastes perfectly, especially as the 846 is not rendered "warm" in its overall presentation. And I prefer raw onions (and plenty of them!) in my burger as well! Presumably the W60 would be like a great burger, but chef somehow misread the docket: "hold the" instead of "extra" onions. Something like that. tongue.gif Guess what's for breakfast?
post #3509 of 16757

A comparison between two that uses food as a metaphor to tie up the differences. Now that is something I can sink my teeth into and my brain can comprehend. Not to mention that burger sounds mighty tasty (got to love those onions

 

Thank you sir

 

BTW you Name wouldn't have anything to do with a certain one time Canadian beer now sold worldwide. Not much of a beer drinker but I always liked the logo and remember the ads from my (long ago) childhood

Carling Breweries

post #3510 of 16757
A song by Lamb of God, Black Label Society and Johnnie Walker, all true.

A trip to Perth's International Beer Shop a few years back saw me pick up several wonderous beers, and a can of UK-brewed Carling Black Label. It was so unspeakably bad I tipped it down the sink; for wasting beer goes against my ever moral fibre. Thankfully this was not "beer".

I wonder if the Canadian version tastes better. But then when I think of Canadian beer, I think Dieu de Ciei. smily_headphones1.gif

I like a touch of ambiguity in my chosen usernames. tongue.gif

As someone who aspires to live by independent means by way of food & beverage writing, such metaphorical comparisons make infinitely more sense to me than graphs ever could.
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