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post #3481 of 17326

THE problem with miller's 'ranting' is that he gets personal and that's not cool or permitted here @ HeadFi..;).

post #3482 of 17326
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

On the SE846, I pulled up a Paysage D'Hiver album (black metal with no audible low end) just to see what happened. You can tell a "bad" bassy headphone from a "good" one based on what it does in music like this. When the bass is given that artificial coloring, it sounds almost like it "fixes" the missing bass. Not here. Still thin and lo-fi. SERIOUSLY awesome accomplishment on Shure's part.

The same could be said of Metallica's ...And Justice for All album. The IE800s created a colourised effect that over compensated for the "missing" bass guitar. Not so when listening with the 846. Musically this is an interesting album, for Lars Ulrich's drums feature no reverb (the absolute polar opposite to the overblown drum sounds that made the 80s, the 80s). Even more startling, the 8s pick up on as never heard before grunt from James Hetfield during "Harvester of Sorrow", among other things.

Monty Burns: I wholeheartedly agree with you. Participating in this discussion has only added to the richness of the SE846. As it is, the thought of owning them and experiencing them brings a smile to my face, especially when I think there are so many (lost and hopeless) souls who simply do not understand. The sort of folk who slavishly adhere to the norms of our hypervisual society; they will drool over a 52" flat screen that will inevitably screen one person shoot-'em-ups for hours on end, but mention the worthiness of paying a grand so one may discover what music is really meant to sound like they baulk, condemn and try and retort with a half-witted repose. I do not weep for these adrenally fatigued, stimulant-roasted minds; nor do I sympathise. They can keep their Black Ops and Skullcandys.

However the strange world of audiophillia can be a very lonely place. Wading through the seas of people whose mental stuntedness is obviously exaggerated by the donning of Beats by Dre and Bose QC2s only serves to isolate and infuriate. "Why do you people not get it?" But then I quickly realise that there are people with whom I can share both my experiences and passions, and these people are right here, contributing to/within this thread. Suddenly the world seems brighter and less barren again. I am no elitist, however we are a special breed. We are a select few who have, somehow and completely without explanation, been bestowed with the privilege of knowing what great music is meant to sound like. We are even more privileged than those with six (or more) figure incomes, trophy wives and other superficial status-orientated luxuries, as though it needs to be said.

No longer do I look at someone with their Beats headphones on and wonder "can you feel it? - no, can you feel it?", for I know there are people out there, somewhere, that can and do.

Along the way any number of posts might have provided the spark that ignited a potential buyer and forum lurker's burning bush moment in their decision to take the plunge. The best part is, what has been posted forever provides a future reference for anyone needing it, accessible by way of a quick Google search.

Personally speaking, my story is different in that I arrived at the SE846 by way of the most unlikely of happy accidents, and had not read this thread at all (no point - not when I wanted the latest and greatest new thing and wanted it then and now back in December last year - at which point the 846 was unavailable). Perhaps I should have... I might have held off on the IE800s... Unlikely though as I had been waiting for almost a year to get my IE800 on, but the point remains; the decision would have been that much tougher.

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading of the paths other people have taken to get to this end. Having never fully experienced the SE535, save for quick and slightly underwhelming audition, I have no idea just how much of a step (or leap) up the 846s would have been.

Sharing my experiences with others has been as rewarding a journey as the engagement with the 846s themselves, especially given the shared information regarding DAPs, cables and other enhancements that are likely to make the SE846s sing like Liv Kristine. I relish the tram or train ride home and emails updating me of new posts to the thread, for I am thus released from the surrounding suburban zombie apocalypse, thereby finding myself in the company of true immortals, all of whom know or who have recently discovered what a kick drum really sounds like.

Cheers ! beerchug.gif
Edited by Black Label - 6/20/14 at 6:04pm
post #3483 of 17326
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Me, too....let's attribute it to Karma Ketchup

 

 

damn I need me a burger... :tongue_smile:

post #3484 of 17326
I stopped eating red sauce the moment Heinz packaged it in plastic, not glass.

/off topic silliness smily_headphones1.gif
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damn I need me a burger... :tongue_smile:

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I stopped eating red sauce the moment Heinz packaged it in plastic, not glass.
 

 

Everybody happy now?.....:D 

         

 

                         

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Everybody happy now?.....:D 

         

 

I don't come to headfi to be made hungry! :) 

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Aaaaaaaand I have my appointment for Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves.

 

Lord help me. :|

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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

Aaaaaaaand I have my appointment for Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves.

 

Lord help me. :|

 

Any question concerns just call Claudia and all will be good. FYI you might want to check if they are Full Shell or partial? Shell. My are being redone as Full Shell. That may be the new default way they are doing them.

 

Any questions you have about getting the impressions done you need only refer to my post on the topic ;) Seriously unless you have a serious wax issue it is easy as pie. This coming form someone that requires two nurses to hold him while I am having blood drawn or getting a shot.

 

Remember not to open your moth too wide just keep it closed or talk as you normally do 

 

Here is Sensaphonics PDF. wrt Getting Impressions done (Closed mouth impressions for Silicone - different method than for Acrylic CIEM with the foam block in your mouth

http://www.sensaphonics.com/Ear%20Impressions%20How2.pdf

 

Feel free to PM if I can answer any questions

Fear not the Guitar Gods will watch over you

post #3489 of 17326
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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post
 

 

Any question concerns just call Claudia and all will be good. FYI you might want to check if they are Full Shell or partial? Shell. My are being redone as Full Shell. That may be the new default way they are doing them.

 

Any questions you have about getting the impressions done you need only refer to my post on the topic ;) Seriously unless you have a serious wax issue it is easy as pie. This coming form someone that requires two nurses to hold him while I am having blood drawn or getting a shot.

 

Remember not to open your moth too wide just keep it closed or talk as you normally do 

 

Here is Sensaphonics PDF. wrt Getting Impressions done (Closed mouth impressions for Silicone - different method than for Acrylic CIEM with the foam block in your mouth

http://www.sensaphonics.com/Ear%20Impressions%20How2.pdf

 

Feel free to PM if I can answer any questions

Fear not the Guitar Gods will watch over you

 

Full shell, but not at the main office because I'm nowhere nearby, or even within 3 hours of a Golden Ears Specialist. Got the PDF ready. 

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Then "masked stranger"  are Green across the board,, Good to go.

 

My Audiologist is not a "Golden Ears" either. Though she did have ample experience with "Closed Mouth Impressions" as she does a ton of work for "industry professionals and musicians famous and yet to be famous. In that regard Toronto has some advantages.

 

That said I had my PDF ready ...Just in case. She appreciated my preparation though as noted in her case it was not necessary. I think she thought it was cute as clearly I had no idea who she was. All those signed photos on the walls should have been a clue..no help for the clueless.

 

OT: The whole impressions experience still sort of makes me think of some sort of bizarre ear Bukakke

fetish. (is there such a thing ... of course there is If you can imagine it someone has probably done it and likely worse you cannot imagine.)

 

I ended up staying with the clear SCS. The Smoke was VERY tempting (+$50) BUT it has glitter in it.  Also  I liked the idea of a solid colour (Red or Black). However,  I rather like being able to see the hole the nozzle goes into when putting them on the 8s.

 

The UF nozzle condoms still have their place. For short listens or when you know people are going to disturb you and you have o keep taking them out. Of note you can hear people talking with the SCS in and the music off you just have to focus on what they are saying (which usually isn't much)

 

Now if you would just help  guide me to a cable that will work well with SCS (the memory plastic is a bit of a hassle now) that will neither bankrupt me nor make by brain explode trying to understand why it is good that would be great. 1,500+ posts tells me you might have the knowlage ;)


Edited by Monty Burns - 6/20/14 at 11:29am
post #3491 of 17326
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If I missed miller's post that was deleted that proved Godwin's Law well then on that point I stand corrected. Godwin's Law remains intact

 

Sorry, guilty as charged. 

 

However word smithed, my posts are accurate and correct.  That said, there is an etiquette, written or otherwise, that applies to discussion forums.  People should adhere to it.

post #3492 of 17326
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Sorry, guilty as charged. 

 

However word smithed, my posts are accurate and correct.  That said, there is an etiquette, written or otherwise, that applies to discussion forums.  People should adhere to it.

 

Apropo:

 

 

post #3493 of 17326
Monty,

You asked for more comparisons here you go. I posted this review/comparison on the W60s to the 8s on the Westone 60 thread:

Good friend (I have to say this as he loaned me his W60) and fellow HeadFier MCoupe is after me to write a review so I guess it is time to post my thoughts.

I will begin my review by saying I concur with MCoupe's far more detailed review on page 1 of this thread. I use the word concur because I agree in parts and dissent in others. The quick answer is the naysayers are wrong about the W60. Sound wise it is an accomplished and polished IEM superior to either the W4 or the SE535. Having spent months listening to the 846, my initial reaction to the W60 was far more negative than this review. It took a day for me to really appreciate what Westone was hoping to achieve with the W60s.

As for the direct comparison to the SE846, the treble extends materially further but on a some tracks it was either sibilant (male vocals only) or too hot (the cymbal's shimmer became sizzling). Further, because of the sizzle I found the W60 more fatiguing than the 846 in extended listening sessions. Those criticisms aside, the treble is better on the W60s than the 846s with corresponding greater detail but a bit less coherent.

As for the bass and mids I would concur with my colleague MCoupe's review as well as his bias towards the Shure house sound. The 846 edges the W60 but it is not night and day, especially with the mids it is more a matter of taste and the music you listen to most often. Although again agreeing with MCoupe, I found the mids on the W60 a bit dryer than the smoother 846. Also, and this may be my deciding factor sonically, the 846 is more dynamic and musical than the more "reference" W60 and that I believe is the low pass bass driven 846 making it so.

As for the soundstage it is wider on the W60 than the 846 but slightly shallower as the bass just does not extend as deep as the 846.

As for build quality, unfortunately here the 846 is far and away better than the W60. The build quality on the W60 is a disgrace for a $1,000 product. It feels like a piece of cheap plastic and lo and behold it is a cheap piece of plastic. Contrast that with the superb, precision engineered 846 and the W60 falls very short.

As for the fit, the W60 is more finicky than a cat in finding the best tips to maximize the bass and soundstage. If not for MCoupe's guidance, I would still be tip rolling to find the right combination to maximize the sound. I had to abandon my blue Star Tips (silicone) and use black True Fit (foam) as a shallow insertion depth is best for the W60s. With the 846, I never found much difference from one tip to another assuming I had a good bass seal.

It is too bad that Westone's marketing (read MCoupe's review) and build quality masks what is otherwise an worthy successor and upgrade to the W4. I feel more strongly than MCoupe in preferring the SE846 to the W60, but I understand his points and I think our divergence is more a function of our musical tastes (MCoupe prefers female vocalists and more acoustical music to my progressive rock preference with male vocalists) than anything else.
Edited by spook76 - 6/20/14 at 1:05pm
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Aaaaaaaand I have my appointment for Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves.

 

Lord help me. :|

Nice!  Any questions, you can contact Claudia, Mr. Burns, or myself.  During my ear impressions, Ms. Tannenbaum just told me to open my mouth and hold it for a moment, then she told me to converse with her normally.  I trusted her directions because she has had experience extensively with Sensaphonics and has made impressions before, specifically for the Shure SE846.  Actually, her next client after myself was also a Shure SE846 owner getting impressions for it.  Yeah, make sure to request the "full shell" sleeves for full fit and comfort.

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.....make sure to request the "full shell" sleeves for full fit and comfort.

 

I missed class...what does the "full shell" mean vs what Monty showed previously, or are his the FS sleeve?

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