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Note: This is all meant in fun....please don't 'miller out' on me...;)

 

I think copying history word-for-word, like cut & paste IS plagerisim, but re-stating History in your own words (no matter how corny) is NOT plagerisim. But I am no teacher.

I agree it is fun and the point we were both aiming at was when these companies were started not if I broke any rules. I never said I wrote these facts I like everybody else has to look up the dates from the internet. I will add is that you in the pic or did you copy and paste that pic from someone else what is that called? 

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Originally Posted by hertzsogood View Post
 

 I will add is that you in the pic or did you copy and paste that pic from someone else what is that called? 

 

      Yeah that's me...aren't I pretty?                                        Ummm....how about 'borrowing'?  

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      Yeah that's me...aren't I pretty?                                        Ummm....how about 'borrowing'?  

Haha yes borrow with permission right. Me too I borrowed as well.

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I am rather enjoying reading all this! The history component, as well as comparisons with the MG7. I only wish I could try them being a former M5 owner.

SomeGuyDude: You are absolutely right about how "metal" sounds. It is unlike anything I have ever heard. I mentioned some time back how incredible Machine Head's two live bonus Burn My Eyes tracks sound. I would love to know just how big the venue in question is, for it strikes me as being a mid-sized (1-2,000 capacity) setting.

In terms of instrument separation, the 846s layer and position everything beautifully. As stated before, by comparison the IE800s presented complex pieces that could be described as regurgitated Black Forest cake. Symphonic metal was not given the justice.

I was once upon a time a devotee of trance, progressive and all UK electronica really (German minimal never quite did it for me). A few favourite mixes remain, however, some of which remain very close to my heart given the memories associated with them.

For anyone who is into electronica, track down Balance vol. 004: Mixed by Phil K for a serious sonic excursion. This guy is a master at creating beautifully constructed composite sketch soundscapes. When heard through the 846, it is like walking among rolling hills blossoming with osteospermum while you are literally walking in the shadow of concrete and steel.

For the record (not that anyone is judging I hope! tongue.gif ), four years ago I became quite disillusioned with trance luminaries such as Tiesto and Armin van Buuren due to the fact that what they were doing became more and more contrived over time, with all of the big names having their material produced for them by other artists. $5 unoaked plonk versus the vintage Tempranillo of jocks such as Phil K, Nick Warren, Henry Saiz and of course John 00 Fleming. It takes a good set of earphones to really hear what is cheaply made pap. A lot of what used to have the hairs stand on end is now virtually unlistenable.
Edited by Black Label - 6/20/14 at 12:35am
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Listening to the 846 on the X3 and the DX90 is completely different. The 846 on the X3 has a lot more bass impact and focus. On the X3 Bass becomes a bass monster and the Meds are also the focal point but behind the bass on the DX90 the bass is pushed back and treble then meds are the main stars. Using the DX90 with the 846 the earphones has a more neutral sound and the treble is much brighter but the hard bass impact is faded away. What I mean is the bass is in the back ground even when I EQ the player for more bass.

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Another thumbs down for the DX90.

I recall listening to my brother's DX50 with my IE800s and not liking the match whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Black Label View Post

Another thumbs down for the DX90.

I recall listening to my brother's DX50 with my IE800s and not liking the match whatsoever.

Haha I would not say bad but could beef up the bass for Metal and electronics. Still sounds good but wish a little more. The X3 has all the bass one would need. Clear treble but not as bright as the DX90.

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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post

 

 

I think copying history word-for-word, like cut & paste IS plagerisim, but re-stating History in your own words (no matter how corny) is NOT plagerisim. But I am no teacher.

 

English and political science major here. It's not. Remember plagiarism is about stealing someone's work without citation, and in the case of informational matters the exact phrasing is irrelevant. The issue of plagiarism isn't that you stole someone's wording, it's that you stole that which the wording is describing. From a plagiarism sense, it doesn't matter if you re-phrase a blurb or if you quote it wholesale, you need to credit your source (although if you quote it without pointing out that it's a quote it does make you look wildly unprofessional). In the case of literary works, yes, the issue would be stealing exact phrasings because the work itself is the verbiage, but that's not the issue here.

 

I mean if you wanna get technical about it, literally any time we present information in our posts without citing where we got the information from we're "plagiarising" in a sense. Pulling up wikipedia and then just re-phrasing what's there doesn't make it less plagiarism because it's not technically your research and you're not disclosing where you learned it from. But this is a message board and if we tried to cite everything we say here it would be an absolute mess. It's a general assumption that literally EVERYTHING we say, unless explicitly explained beforehand as coming from personal experience, is a citation of someone else. 

 

Hazy issue, but then again semantics and BS of that sort are my bread and butter. :P

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English and political science major here. It's not. Remember plagiarism is about stealing someone's work without citation, and in the case of informational matters the exact phrasing is irrelevant. The issue of plagiarism isn't that you stole someone's wording, it's that you stole that which the wording is describing. From a plagiarism sense, it doesn't matter if you re-phrase a blurb or if you quote it wholesale, you need to credit your source (although if you quote it without pointing out that it's a quote it does make you look wildly unprofessional). In the case of literary works, yes, the issue would be stealing exact phrasings because the work itself is the verbiage, but that's not the issue here.

 

I mean if you wanna get technical about it, literally any time we present information in our posts without citing where we got the information from we're "plagiarising" in a sense. Pulling up wikipedia and then just re-phrasing what's there doesn't make it less plagiarism because it's not technically your research and you're not disclosing where you learned it from. But this is a message board and if we tried to cite everything we say here it would be an absolute mess. It's a general assumption that literally EVERYTHING we say, unless explicitly explained beforehand as coming from personal experience, is a citation of someone else. 

 

Hazy issue, but then again semantics and BS of that sort are my bread and butter. :P

Interesting about words taken etc. How is it when one copies a picture and then paste it without informing who took the picture and if the picture belongs to someone else or if it is a copy right issue.

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Id love to try the future sonics Mg6 pros,maybe when i sell the 846:)
With litz..common guys..havent got time to list..its only been a couple of months with me..its new!
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Originally Posted by hertzsogood View Post
 

Interesting about words taken etc. How is it when one copies a picture and then paste it without informing who took the picture and if the picture belongs to someone else or if it is a copy right issue.

 

Well that's a matter of the nature of the material posted. Who took it, how it was originally published, what you're doing with it, etc. If I find a picture on Facebook and post it here, that's not plagiarism. I might look like a toolbox if I don't mention that I didn't take it, but there's no copyright involved because the person who posted it wasn't earning money from it on FB and I'm not earning money from it now. In terms of what I guess we could call "social plagiarism" it's mostly rooted in intent and whether or not I was trying to make it look like I did something I didn't. 

 

Picture copyright gets hairier because you can't "rephrase" a picture. But let's say I run a website like BuzzFeed and I collect a bunch of pictures from /r/Funny and post them without citation. Now we're getting into copyright and intellectual property territory because I'm personally profiting off of someone else's work without saying that it's not mine.

 

Then we can flip that around. Let's say I buy a book of photographs that aren't published anywhere but in that book. If I post them online I'm violating copyright because that person was gaining income from the sales of that book and I essentially robbed them of that. 

 

This is all basic shizz, I mean realize there are lawyers who work SOLELY in these matters and there are a million little ways for these things to be hedged.

 

On the SE846, I pulled up a Paysage D'Hiver album (black metal with no audible low end) just to see what happened. You can tell a "bad" bassy headphone from a "good" one based on what it does in music like this. When the bass is given that artificial coloring, it sounds almost like it "fixes" the missing bass. Not here. Still thin and lo-fi. SERIOUSLY awesome accomplishment on Shure's part. 

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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

I think it's fair to bring up the MG7 because they do have a sort of "magical" feeling bass, though in a very different way. The MG7's bass is huge, it's enveloping, and more than that it's SMOOTH. It doesn't feel inflated, just incredibly powerful. That's a good distinction and it's probably why I still love the things even if they haven't been in my ears in a little while. 

 

Since the majority of my listening has drifted into the metal world (specifically of the black/sludge/post variety), the MG7 hasn't quite scratched the itch since it can't handle the kind of instrumental separation needed there, but man. I still look back VERY fondly on getting a few drinks in me and having hip hop playing on the MG7s at full blast and being just amazed at the bass power. The things gobbled it up.

 

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With that segue I shall wade into this interesting back and forth that has taken place over the last few days (with certain posts having been removed etc)

 

First a hardy congrats to you SomeGuyDude for making the front page in what was an excellent and understandable commentary on the abilities of the 8s.

 

Now back to my thoughts.

 

What I find appealing about this particular thread is that has BALENCE. Many of the threads on Head-Fi I have noticed tend to be a bit dry (were taking dryer than Betty White dry) and technical. I have been a member of Head-Fi since 2006 and have for the most part trolled (just read) around it on an occasional basis.

 

I had nothing to offer Threads focused on Graph and Rigs far beyond my pay-grade. I am just a simple soul who truly enjoys his music who has been in search of a UF IEM that would put and end to "If Only" thoughts that entered my listening experience. Head Fi was a research stop on the road to buying (Shure)IEMs

 

I am not willing to strap Amps and DACs and other such alphabet soup equipment to my iPod to achieve that sound. All I want is a GREAT IEM and a DAP that can reproduce my music in such a way to elicit and emotional and ethereal response.

 

Some of you may feel that I want to go to Heaven but am unwilling to die - Perhaps. When the 8s were introduced this long time Shure aficionado was intrigued. Could my ultimate want be at hand. (Pissed it did not exist 18mos earlier but hey such is life). So I hit the research trail to see if this Want was in fact my long sought after Need.

 

I called SHURE I pestered and queried. I read the reviews and then I decided to wait a bit. (Give it a few months to work out any production kinks and continue my research). Then it was time to hit Head Fi. I read the review and the Comparison threads. Fanboys/fangirls from different brands posted their opinions The Brain-trusts posted their graphs arguments abounded about how graphs were sampled on and on.

 

Finally with SHURE's and Music Directs assurances (oh and I called Flavio at Earphone Solutions and Headroom and picked their brains on the pros and cons of the 8s and the impending Roxanne.

 

AFTER purchasing I stumbled upon THIS THREAD. It is somewhat different than the other threads I have found here. Like others it is replete (in places) with Graphs and Tech talk way over my Encephalitic head.

 

But what it also contained was PASSION. Posters such as yourself (SomeGuyDude), Miller, Black Label, truckdriver, Ivabign, spook, moedawg140 Mcoupe  and yes burtomr.... and many more my tired brain is callously forgetting.

 

The discussion included the passion for the music and the pleasure found in the reproduction the 8s provide. Still much of what is discussed is over my head. eg Cables (litz silver copper).. BUT tends to stem from a passion for music and how to tease that little bit more out if it. 

 

Also found discussion on Comfort both physical and sonic. The same applies to alternative DAPs on the market.  Eventually this will get dumbed down enough for me to understand or I will have grasped enough that my brain will get to X5 good DX90 badish. Sony good maybe) Passion and a love for music

 

This thread has been instrumental in my move to SCS for the 8s. Long before I began to post on this thread I found humour wit and intelligence. Here was a place I thought I could post my Impressions however bizzar and occasionally slip OT.

 

My posts regarding Rik Mayall were certainly OT  And my Impressions of the SCS and the road to get them was questionable as to it belonging here as it was while Excitingly True in General it was hardly Dully accurate in particular : )

 

As to the Atrios discussion I wish ther was more discussion here on the relative merits of the 8s vs other products. The Roxannes Tope Tier CIEMs. etc

 

If the thread is so restricted to just a discussion of the 8s  a opposed to Impressions (which are so helped by caparison and debate) then in truth my posts here should be moved to some other thread. And it will be a very small thread.

 

My posts that Are Actually On Topic (as opposed to tangentially so), are while they are impressions, but of what value beyond entertainment is well questionable. To be fair to me My impressions of the SCS and how they sound feel and their merits was of some practical use as well as IMO my posts regarding Excellence in CS and how to prepare in advance for ensuring good CS

 

Further I appreciate most my posts must somewhat infuriating to some as they are replete with some rather obscure or dated culture; (TV music literature and movies) references and worse mash-ups that must leave many scratching their heads hitting Wikipedia or IMDB

 

This particular thread is rare here in that it brings together to somewhat disparate groups those who approach Music and sound form the technical, those who approach from the visceral camp and those that are comfortable in both..  (As well as the certifiable such as myself))

 

What is common is a passion for music and well passion.

 

That make this Thread unique and keeps it from getting dry and stale (yes you guessed it ...Like Betty White)

 

Well that is my take and about all I have to contribute to this lofty thread until the return of my new and improved FULL SHELL SCS

 

PS What is impressive that unlike so many places on the internet this thread does not succumb to  

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler of Nazism

 

Play Nice IT's SUMMER WooHoo!!

post #3478 of 8356
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With that segue I shall wade into this interesting back and forth that has taken place over the last few days (with certain posts having been removed etc)



PS What is impressive that unlike so many places on the internet this thread does not succumb to  
Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler of Nazism

Play Nice IT's SUMMER WooHoo!!

The guy rmiller called someone a nazi last night and the post was deleted so Godwin's law was alive and kicking.
He had a totally uncalled for rant at myself the other day and you thought it really put me in my place.
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The guy rmiller called someone a nazi last night and the post was deleted so Godwin's law was alive and kicking.
He had a totally uncalled for rant at myself the other day and you thought it really put me in my place.

 

Me, too....let's attribute it to Karma Ketchup

 

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The guy rmiller called someone a nazi last night and the post was deleted so Godwin's law was alive and kicking.
He had a totally uncalled for rant at myself the other day and you thought it really put me in my place.


I did not say nor imply miller's post "put you in your place". He gave a detailed and "passionate" dissertation on how a comparison of Full sized Headphones vs IEM are and Apples and Oranges proposition. I believe I stated "Game, Set,Match. Then something about being both technical and Visceral.

 

Hardly something IMO to be upset about let alone worth remembering (I had to go back and find what post you were referring to.). But then for me life is to short to worry about or concern myself with slights real and imagined.

 

If I missed miller's post that was deleted that proved Godwin's Law well then on that point I stand corrected. Godwin's Law remains intact

 

Was his "rant regarding your post uncalled for. that is debatable. You made a post on a public board that by its nature invites commentary True his reply was long, but then I suppose based on that criteria perhaps 75% of the posts on this thread could be deemed rants.

 

I for one am not exactly known for my parsimonious use of English would thus also be equally of "rants" as my posts tend not to be limited to a few short sentences.

 

Regardless,  It is Summer/Music Season enjoy this wonderful time and have an outstanding weekend worthy of an Epic having been penned by Homer

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