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Yes exactly but much much smaller.

 

              

post #3182 of 17052
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Precisely

Touché sir

post #3183 of 17052
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Monty - forgot to tell you this yesterday after looking at your pics, but dude, you are a dead ringer for Malcolm McDowell. No, seriously. You could pass as his stunt double.

Bet you get that a lot, huh.

Probably used it to your advantage. No telling how many poor, duped women think they actually slept with the renown actor.

 

Are we going by the one picture of the ear? Do you have Malcolm McDowell's ear?

 

In April, Mr. McDowell gave a small question and answer session prior to a screening of Clockwork Orange here in LA... I saw his ears - I just don't see the resemblance.;)

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                    Say What??

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Heh. So I wandered into a JB HiFi store today and thought I would plug in my 846s and have a listen to the music available (Journey, Ozzy, MJ among others) on an iPad Air.

Its sound proved almost as warm as the AK120. Unlike modern literary fiction, the plot thickens!

I agree the iPad's compromised ability to play high bitdepth flac and no DSD playback is a fairly sizeable drawback. Seems the way to go is downsize model and capacity if it's an ebook reader I am hankering after also (I have purchased quite a few boks - all of which I will re-read - via Apple hence a Samsung tablet or similar is out of the question).

Anyhoo.... Some disambiguation is needed... I was previously under the impression that "AK120II" and "AK120 mk2" inferred the same model. The question is, how does the AK120II differ from its predecessor and full-screened successor? Furthermore, how does the Titan differ from its regular AK120 sibling?

I am wondering if I might be exceedingly lucky and find a second-hand 240 for $1,500... lol!
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I am wondering if I might be exceedingly lucky and find a second-hand 240 for $1,500... lol!

You never know what sometimes "falls off the truck"  and falls into your lap

Just make sure to look in the box (the old speaker scam)

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Apparently 240s can be had at a much lower price than the RRP, however they are only available in (presumably to) the US.
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Charles Montgomery Burns(In conjunction with Springfield Isotopes) Presents:  A PSA for SCS

 

___ Monty Burns – Nostalgia Rush - Reviews of Old.jpeg

 

Good Evening minions of the 846, as well as Springfield's ever loyal Isotopes Fans "Go Isotopes"

 

I have been abstract and somewhat long winded regarding the Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves (SCS) for the 8s. So I shall be brief and to the point as to my impressions free of rhetorical flourish or embellishments. Just the plain observations  in the salient areas Fit Sound Cost Risk  after of a few days living with the upgrade and time to collect my thoughts into a more linear presentation

 

Seriously folks this is as clean and clear as I can deliver it. Not flashing gifs Just the facts and subjective helpful observations If it is long well  lots of information I do words not graph with luck it is as clear and linear  as a Roman road

 

1) Comfort and Seal

On both counts I say they are superior to anything in the UF sleeve condom arsenal (I haven't tried Westone Star Tips or True Tips. let us assume for the moment they are with the rest of the UF sleeve condoms out there.)

 

They feel full in my ear or is it my ear fells full because my ear canal is full exactly full. But not in any way uncomfortable though the feeling of fullness is a new one and takes an hour or so to get used to.

 

First incertion I was like wait. I know there is something in there. Then I came down form my fantsy world of flying cars transporters, Holodecks etc And quickly accepted the limitations of 21 century technology and that the laws of Newtonian physics were fully in effect here. It is my ear canal after all and silicone so it makes sense you notice something in your ear canal  but this is the closest yet I have had to the feeling of nothing there once the music hits awareness starts to fade . Especially after 30+ minutes. No scratchy feeling..yet

 

This is not foam. You know the first time you put in Complys and they feel like a pair of soft comfy slippers  and you go Ahh. SCS  ain't that. But then Foam led me to soreness and scratch feelings and always adjusting my fit.

 

These just FIT. This is like a well what it is a  custom fit to every bent curve and wrinkle in your ear canal right up to the bend - the end of the line. terminus station 

 

Insertion is really quite easy just point them down 90° and twist up and they go in like a screw. OTTO Ease can help. (Astro Glide for the Sonic Space Cowboy)

 

Fair disclosure After you have been wearing them a time then take them out and say 10 min pop them in later I swear your ears canal or the entrance any way has contracted. Otto Ease. gets them in. Lets face it the ears like other orifices in the body were not designed to have foreign objects inserted in them. While I have never been to prison I might be clenching a bit too after being traded for cigarettes (I ain't never NEVER going to prison hell the thought of Traffic Court makes me clench up).

Speculation on my part but I will ask when I get them adjusted. Brodsky will know

 

2) Sound quality.

It is BETTER. More open. All the bass is there and I am using the White filters so there is plenty of room to go darker in the winter months (ie BLUE or Black)

 

I don't know if its because the damn things are right up to the bend in my ear canal (deep) but there is more detail Allison Krauss Down to the River to pray is a fine example. There seems to be a greater presence  in the background and foreground. Voices in general sound great Except Tom Waites he still sounds like a wounded animal suffering an agonizing death. )but the detail in that agony now magnifique . 

Here I am not exaggerating  and the sound really does feel as though it is being beamed right into your brain.

 

Tiny Details especially in good studio work by say Paul Simon or Steely Dan is found in spooky abundance. 1977 was a very good year for music in that regard 78 too, (The apex of an era)

Yes better detail and more than with UF Its like finding a whole bunch of Easter eggs when you were sure you found them all.

You can actually hear the Cowbell in Don't Fear the reaper. (in reality it is quite recessed. Part of what makes that bit so funny Christopher Walken -straying get back...and we are back

 

Volume. Again probably because of the seal and proximity to the ear drum they require less volume on the dial to achieve the same level. Careful at 80% certain music. (Pink Floyd for eg you can literally feel the sound  hitting your eardrum in waves.. This is not I think a good thing to do for more than a few minutes 50 cent at 80% Dangerous for more than 10 seconds. Louder clearer sound at lower volumes also means that at old high levels it will be louder and distortion free but watch out for the sound smacking your eardrum

 

3) Cost.

 

IF I had known the costs of cross border shipping I might have cut out the audiologist after the molds were made . But that is just part of the joys of living in the people's republic of Canada. I do need an adjustment to the left ear. it is making the cartilage just above my ear lobe sore. I am fairly certain they can adjust it as it involves the part of the sleeve that goes around the 8s housing They or Sensaphonics will make it right so .... You lucky Americans have no such problems (getting reamed on shipping) 

In the USA your looking at 200-250 round trip. Sensaphonics does seem to have specials for $25 off keep your eye on NAMM in July I was just impatient. Their CS excellent. the reason I went with them over a Canadian company that also makes silicone customs for the 8s BUT not in partnership with SHURE. I am always gonna stick with who brought me to this dance..Shure even if in this case it meant the costly shipping.

 

Now lets put that cost into perspective. Same day I picked up my SCS I dropped / sent flying my smartphone I think trying to photograph my ear. Result cracked screen and my best price to fix and replace screen $120 No joy there and no extra new enhancement to my shiny new sonic toy.

 

My point life will pick your pocket of $200+++ all the time just maintaining and fixing all the ModCons that rule our lives. I don't game but S**t those games ain't cheap.

Children, dogs got to feed them like every day AND more than once.

$1000 IS the new $500. $100 the new $50.  $50 the new $20. a$20 and $10 are singles and $5s

in this  of the age of printing money to monetize debt and it works it way through the chain.

 

New products to price/set point. A pack of Complys $20 (yet apparently there is no inflation unless you count gas food electricity heat and consumer goods)

 

4)Risk.

Silicone is to my mind a better route to go than acrylic as it moves with you but some may despite the improved sound not find the feel of a custom in there head. It is definitely different than Olives or Complys.

I am however very much the Princess and the pea sort of a person. Seriously Petit Baby La La I am not the guy you want in your platoon bitching an moaning through whole war Its heavy my i am thirsty I don't like the food. When do we get to kill people this gun made my shoulder sore the beds suck.....Major Lt Burns Killed by his own troops

 

Yet wrt the SCS and I ain't whining about the fit or comfort There is a "pea" what must be removed and I am certain it will be end of problem. This exercise if it was a leap of faith it was pretty calculated on my part to min the risk and clear up in advance what happens if things ain't just so. The perfect Lab Rat

 

Fact is some people just may not like them But after you have them you are likely to at least give them a shot once you have them and they may just grow on you over time If not just pretend you broke the screen on your phone..

 

When I first got fitted I was not exactly going Yess halleluiah  I have reached the promised land . Now a few days in And  am sold on them I just need them shimmed down a bit. on the outside of the housing area

 

If Sensaphonics can make Taylor Swift a happy client I have no doubt they or Dr Brodsky can adjust the very outer sleeve (make it less thick whatever that is not my job.)

If I can get them to fix or if necessary remake these (part of the guarantee so they are less intrusive on my outer ear) they are just pushing the cartilage out a bit to far.

 

Be aware the nature of the 8s nozzle and housing vitiated reorienting the way the 8s sit ever so slightly making the memory wire well that is something I will figure out.

 

If I would just stop putting them in My sore left cartilage would probably recover. On the upside the Audiologist.will have no problem identifying it.

 

Conclusion and cost analysis by the numbers

The SCS is IMO a solid add on the 8s. Designed in conjunction with SHURE they make the 8s a true hybrid Custom and Universal.

 

 As UF  the 8s have been judged by some respected Headphone journalist (Steve Guttenberg ?)as sounding superior to the Roxannes UF/CIEM not sure) and in the test he wore olives not SCS which s I said do improve the sound).

 

If you have a Roxanne Custom  you are down1,599I i think. If you have an 846 you can have both IF and  Sensaphonics Custom Silicone nozzle condoms (designed for your pleasure), and still be in for under the price of the Roxanne CIEM. Get the UF Roxanne's you still would have to get SCS to get both worlds and they are $1,399 as UF  With 8s you are at UF and SCS at around $1,100 with arguably a better IEM with better CS (very NB). Hell you can order them bundled at Sensaphonics for a very good price. If you paid 850-900 for the 8s add the sleeve and your still in a premier IEM almost a CIEM for less than a CIEM Roxanne. or the UF Roxanne's.

 

 

New Cables may or may not improve the sound. These will AND they will improve comfort. The cords no longer pull because the 8s are ANCHORED in your ears. But the Stock memory wire is a bit of a pain now

 

Downside. They do take a bit longer to get in But hey my first time or two behind the wheel I was no Ayrton Senna (R.I.P.)

 

Ok folks that is still long BUT it is succinct (somewhat) and too the point . And answers in my limited ability to communicate such to an audience far better versed than I.

 

Every specialty has a language all its own medicine the law and audiophile terminology.

 

I am certain I have committed many heresies and If my skepticism of all the different cables has offended. I am to limited in wider knowledge on such subjects so for me I have to go where the solid science tells me my money is best spent.

 

Hope that is helpful. Not particularly entertaining but helpful.

 

 

Thank you all,

Go Isotopes!!


Edited by Monty Burns - 6/12/14 at 11:57pm
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Very insightful comments, however short and to the point it was most certainly not wink.gif
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Thanks to everyone for your feedback and advice. I finally found a shop to trial the DX90, AK120II and AK240, pairing them to my SE846. Here are some personal findings, with all marks out of 5.

 

DX90 

Sound - 4 - a completely different signature from the AKs. DX90 has a very airy embracing sound quality. Actually really amazing pairing with SE846.

Stability - 1 - this was what stopped me buying the machine. One second skipping on FLAC files which is just unacceptable.

Price - 5 - if the skipping didn't occur, it would be the perfect budget machine.

 

AK120ii

Sound - 4.6 - really accomplished with great stability on the lows, mids and treble (non fatiguing). Different from AK120, which i found was too warm with the SE846

Stability - UI is much better than DX90. Be careful of ejecting the SD card... it flew away!

Price - High but reasonable

Aesthetics - 5 - love the industrial design

 

AK240

Sound - 5 - the most all round with best definition. Is it worth it?

Stability - same UI as AK120ii

Price - For the incremental (hardly noticeable) benefit, you pay a staggering premium. I only listen to FLAC files for now, so not sure i can benefit from native DSD playback.

Aesthetics 3 - matter of taste

 

So there you have it... i brand new marriage of AK120ii and SE846s! Time to sit back and enjoy!

post #3191 of 17052
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Originally Posted by headwilier View Post
 

Thanks to everyone for your feedback and advice. I finally found a shop to trial the DX90, AK120II and AK240, pairing them to my SE846. Here are some personal findings, with all marks out of 5.

 

DX90 

Sound - 4 - a completely different signature from the AKs. DX90 has a very airy embracing sound quality. Actually really amazing pairing with SE846.

Stability - 1 - this was what stopped me buying the machine. One second skipping on FLAC files which is just unacceptable.

Price - 5 - if the skipping didn't occur, it would be the perfect budget machine.

 

AK120ii

Sound - 4.6 - really accomplished with great stability on the lows, mids and treble (non fatiguing). Different from AK120, which i found was too warm with the SE846

Stability - UI is much better than DX90. Be careful of ejecting the SD card... it flew away!

Price - High but reasonable

Aesthetics - 5 - love the industrial design

 

AK240

Sound - 5 - the most all round with best definition. Is it worth it?

Stability - same UI as AK120ii

Price - For the incremental (hardly noticeable) benefit, you pay a staggering premium. I only listen to FLAC files for now, so not sure i can benefit from native DSD playback.

Aesthetics 3 - matter of taste

 

So there you have it... i brand new marriage of AK120ii and SE846s! Time to sit back and enjoy!

Cool! ATM only ZX-1 and the A&K's are acceptable for me in terms of UI/UX.

The others are just either too slow or too user unfriendly.

Still waiting for the II's to hit the market here in Taiwan so I can hear it for myself.

 

Now, time for a balanced cable to make it all complete. ;)

post #3192 of 17052
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Originally Posted by headwilier View Post
 

Thanks to everyone for your feedback and advice. I finally found a shop to trial the DX90, AK120II and AK240, pairing them to my SE846. Here are some personal findings, with all marks out of 5.

 

DX90 

Sound - 4 - a completely different signature from the AKs. DX90 has a very airy embracing sound quality. Actually really amazing pairing with SE846.

Stability - 1 - this was what stopped me buying the machine. One second skipping on FLAC files which is just unacceptable.

Price - 5 - if the skipping didn't occur, it would be the perfect budget machine.

 

AK120ii

Sound - 4.6 - really accomplished with great stability on the lows, mids and treble (non fatiguing). Different from AK120, which i found was too warm with the SE846

Stability - UI is much better than DX90. Be careful of ejecting the SD card... it flew away!

Price - High but reasonable

Aesthetics - 5 - love the industrial design

 

AK240

Sound - 5 - the most all round with best definition. Is it worth it?

Stability - same UI as AK120ii

Price - For the incremental (hardly noticeable) benefit, you pay a staggering premium. I only listen to FLAC files for now, so not sure i can benefit from native DSD playback.

Aesthetics 3 - matter of taste

 

So there you have it... i brand new marriage of AK120ii and SE846s! Time to sit back and enjoy!

Happy Fathers day.

post #3193 of 17052
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Very insightful comments, however short and to the point it was most certainly not wink.gif


Short no (best intentions.) To the point and on point I would say yes. ALL the salient points for consideration when considering SCS based on my personal experiences with SCS and UF nozzle condoms. Sound Comfort Process value for money. Something for everyone and including my own on balance conclusions. As well as some back of  the napkin math

 

To not explain why they are good and where the relative value lay would lack the information to make my opinion helpful. TO understand the opinion of the writer their mindset and personality must be on hand. Knowing I am particular and hypersensitive allows the reader to know I notice stuff others may not. I am the canary in the comfort coal mine

 

Also Smithers who would normally act as my editor (subject to my veto) is at that time of night fast asleep in the Box/cage I keep him in under the floor boards. 


Edited by Monty Burns - 6/13/14 at 5:37am
post #3194 of 17052
The AK UI for me is really concise and minimalistic. It makes music the priority without distractions. The ZX1 for me feels like it's an android phone with good music playing ability. It's really a psychological thing!
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Hello readers of Head-Fi!  I have been reading the various threads on this website for several months now, and felt like I should finally join to contribute to this tremendously informative and entertaining thread!   So I thought it would be nice to add to the phenomenal posts regarding the Sensaphonics Custom Sleeves, by giving my impressions of my Sensaphonics Custom "Regular" Sleeves in Crystal Blue for the Shure SE846.  I have written reviews for the custom sleeves, as well as the Estron Linum MMCX BaX cable, but I do not want to post the reviews until I can post the pictures, which I can not yet, due to not-enough-amount of total posts in this forum.  Hopefully I can hit the magical number of posts soon, so I can post my reviews, ASAP!  For now, I will continue to keep reading various threads, post in other threads, and hope I can have the option to post pictures (and the reviews) soon!

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