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My general view is hybrids and customs are still in the lead but universals are getting there.ref1 and roxannes are prob the only ones competing fully with the best customs.

 

If you like the sound of massive mid bass, scooped out upper mids and a treble spike... yes :P

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John Anthony Burgess Wilson is smiling down or up from whatever afterlife awaited him for that brilliant homage to his masterwork. Thanks Monty.
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If you like the sound of massive mid bass, scooped out upper mids and a treble spike... yes :P
Not really,but i find the 846 lacking somehow..thats after going back to check on the merlins,i was amazed how much more i preferred them..again..i haven't had time to go back to the original cable yet,i was very happy initially..
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Thoroughly enjoyable read Monty! Without glancing over the pictures I imagined Dr. Brodsky to be Dr. Wolfe the Dentist from the "Last Exit to Springfield" episode of The Simpsons!

I cannae wait to see what you make of the listening experience and how the customs go after extended usage.

The sage continueth!
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Monty Burn's Custom Sleeve Adventure:

Chapter 3 - "Brain Damage"

 

Welcome back . Time for my (Sur)real World impression of the 8s outfitted with Sensaphonics Custom Silicone Sleeves, as promised.

 

Nothing less than a true field test was going to suffice. I believe I have delivered. But then that is for you to judge

Upon my safe return to Burns Manor I changed into something more comfortable and prepared to settle in for a real test of the upgrade...

 

I took out my digital Dictaphone to record my thoughts and experiences in real time.

 

My ever faithful, fawning sycophantic assistant, Wayland Smithers was again on hand to take pictures, lend assistance and tend to my every whim. (He is after all a fawning sycophant - Which reminds me SMITHERS!!! Get me a drink)

 

What follows below are written transcripts (cobbled together as they were from my real time " recorded notes") along with of my early post session initial impressions, (though they are as of yet not fully distilled.).

 

Remember what the dormouse said. And don't dawdle you don't want to keep the Caterpillar waiting.

Exceeellent! Let us begin...

.....

First Impressions:

It had been a wonderful day and what I needed now to give it the perfect ending was a bit of the old Glorious Ninth by Ludwig Van

 

Upon returning home and I popped in the 8s. The tiny tendril's/tubules again extended from the sleeves aperture spreading deeper, deeper into my brain - (btw - Sweet fit),

 

Cued up, jacked in and then...

 

 

Then, brothers, it came. O bliss, bliss and heaven, oh it was gorgeousness and georgeosity made flesh. The trombones crunched redgold under my bed, and behind my gulliver the trumpets three-wise, silver-flamed and there by the door the timps rolling through my guts and out again, crunched like candy thunder. It was like a bird of rarest spun heaven metal or like silvery wine flowing in a space ship, gravity all nonsense now. As I slooshied, I knew such lovely pictures. ...
....with a burst of singing, and it was like for a moment, O my brothers, some great bird had flown in and I felt all the malenky little hairs on my plott standing endwise, and the shivers crawling up like slow malenky lizards and then down again.

As the music came to its climax, I could viddy myself very clear, running and running on like very light and mysterious feet, ...

 

...I was fitted all right O my brothers and sisters. I was fitted indeed

 

My initial impression is, quite obviously, positive. I would say that there is a definite improvement in sound further accentuated by the fact that with the Sleeves on the 846 and the user become one in a seamless interface. The sheer lack of discomfort and almost a non awareness of having something jammed in your ear allows one to transcend in a state of total immersion.

 

I say almost as you are aware of a "fullness" physically as you wear them. Mostly I notice this as before on the outside. So far no Scratchy feeling. So far.

If I remain aware on the outside of my outer ear right at the ear lobe I will enquire if the sleeve part that goes around the outside of the 8s can be shaved/skimmed a bit.

 

How does one encapsulate what the Custom Sleeves do for the 846.

Its like...like what does the "Suit" and the Arc Reactor do for already over the top billionaire and genius Tony Stark - They make him - Iron Man!

 

I will post more detailed thoughts later after I have had a good Lo n g run of listening. It was ear strain from extended wear that drove to the Customs. Now it is time to REALLY test the promise and push it to the limits...

 

The 8s and Bells are tolling (literally) "Introducing Tubular Bells" -( ...Resistance is futile)

 

Time to Strap in and Crank it up to ..... 11?.... Not! - 11 feh,

11 That's for the Nigel Tuffnel's of the world. ... who fear the Answer (and have no clue of the question) to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything!! ....

 

"846 Light the Afterburners don't stop till you hit... 42!!!". That's right "These go to 42" (Screw you Nigel.- 11 that all? what a *****)

 

Ground Control to Major Burns
Commencing countdown, engines on
Check ignition and may God's love be with you
Ten, Nine, Eight, Seven, Six, Five, Four, Three, Two, One,

 

Liftoff!! ...

 

With that it began. The last thing I heard from the outside world was a worried looking Smithers sobbing and blubbering ..."Godspeed Mr. Burns, ....

 

Can you see the real me? Can ya?...Can ya?...

 

 

42 Minutes/Hours/Days? Weeks? later -- time - meaningless now - Transcendence achieved!!

 

This is ridiculous. The sun is (the same in a relative way but I'm older), coming up and I just can't take the 8s out -- I'll sleep when I'm dead indeed-- (Literally they will not disengage).

 

Its been just a party of Steely Dan, YES, Rush (2112), Steve Millar Band ,The Who, Led Zeppelin (Oh ya Misty Mountain Top indeed) and of course my Pink Floyd containing the best of The Master DAVID GILMOUR.

 

The "fit" is insane. Fatigue form extended use is not an issue but I have not worn them yet for days or weeks I still worry about the carpet wear effect,. For now I am barely aware they are in its just as though the music is there somehow - everywhere

 

My brain is awash in an endless cascade of endorphins. (Mmm endorphins)

 

I got a fever, ...and the only prescription is...... MORE COWBELL!! ...

 

Eureka! "Pigs",  Mmm "Pigs" ...Sooo much Cowbell ...

 

I was born on this rock
And I've been travelin' through space....

I'm a space Monty
I'm sure you know where it's at Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

 

O my Brothers and Sisters You haven't lived sonically until you have flown the 8s with Custom Sleeves!!! WOO-HOO!! "

 

 

(above) I had been looping David Gilmour's Masterwork "Dogs" from Animals for 42 mins. at the time

Smithers snapped this one (with a little Pigs and Sheep mixed in).... (White Filters)

 

But wait, the 8s ain't done with me yet!

"You know, I'm ready for the final surprise...",

 

-I can Taste the Detail and....and.... BOOM! ..Occipital Lobe, Temporal Lobe and Midbrain operating in perfect unison... visual/aural filters gone! -

 

.."And when you lose control you'll reap the harvest you have sown..."

 

- - - Hyperbrain Activated!! I, ... I, ...

 

 

I CAN SEE THE MUSIC!!! ....

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..."My God, it's full of stars!"

 

"Great Gig in the Sky" ... no words... Blood tears are streaming down my cheeks - Worth it!

 

"I can't think of anything to say except...I think it's marvellous! HaHaHa!"...

 

 

That's odd - I smell burning toast.... Oh my ...

 

...Crap! There goes my Occipital Lobe - that's going to leave a mark... (Still) Worth it!!

The 8s suddenly broke in

 

"WARNING! At 200% of maximum recommended tolerances...Safety Protocols activated. Shutdown in10, 9"

 

No! Not yet! I thought..

"846 Cancel Shutdown. Disengage safety protocols. Command override authorization BURNS-ONE-ALPHA-42-STRANGELOVE"

 

"By your command" The 8s reluctantly complied

 

Then suddenly but not surprisingly (in retrospect) the 8s BOOMED ("What do you get for pretending the danger's not real..." )

"WARNING!....Structural integrity failure imminent"....

"WARNING! Cortex meltdown in Progress!!"....

"WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!!!"

 

("What a surprise!....Now things are really what they seem No, this is no bad dream")

 

..I'm not going to make it! (still somehow - TOTALLY WORTH IT!!!) ... ("It's getting dark, too dark to see")

 

SMITHERS!! Get in here! I want to dictate my epitaph. .

Charles Montgomery Burns. ... American... Patriot... American... Patriot... Master of the atom. ... Scourge of the despot! Oh, tyrant! Hear his mighty name, and quake!...

Bo - bo.....(gasp)

 

42 seconds later

"I'm back in the pink! Full of pith and vinegar!"...

" O my brothers, I fell hard but I did not snuff it, oh no. If I had snuffed it, I would not be here to tell what I have told. I came back to life, after a long, black, black gap of what might have been a million years". (but was in fact 42 seconds)

 

What a  L o n g  strange trip it's been!

 

You know, it's funny, I tried every tincture and poultice and tonic and patent medicine there is, and all I really needed was the blood of a young boy. " - And perhaps just a glass or two of the old MolokoPlus

 

.. Doobiedoob, a bit tired maybe, best not to say more. Bedways is rightways now, so best go homeways and get a bit of spatchka. Right-right? ...

 

First I am going to finish Grateful Dead's "American Beauty" and decompress ...Right.

 

42 Minutes Later

 

I will post succinct specific observations on the sound after some more time to distill my thoughts on the myriad of sonic and physical benefits of the Sensaphonics custom silicone sleeves vest Universal Fit nozzle condoms.

 

My impression is an overwhelmingly positive one. The custom sleeves definitely kick things up a level sonically and are unquestionably the pinnacle of comfort where longer term wear is concerned.  

 

I don't want to take them out. If one was using the 846 infrequently I do not believe the custom sleeve is necessary. From a sound standpoint. words like better fuller deeper come to mind. I feel truly jacked into the music in way I never did with UF nozzle condoms. .  

 

This "über comfort turns out to be a good thing. It appears those tendrils and mircro-tubules are pretty well fused to my brain and CNS. The size of the sleeve and outer fit will take some getting used to (as they are fused to my head I guess I will ) but it is certainly not a deal breaker

 

"42" may have been pushing the envelope a bit. Or it could just be "Burn In" that I read so much about

 

Well as late Dr.Thompson said: "THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over." (Note to self 41.9 is THE EDGE)

 

Interesting observation to report the cords to the 8s have fallen away leaving only as vestigial indent where the MXCX connectors were.... A luminescent red glow emanates from the 8s. In harmony as it were, with the soft whirring and low electrical hum now emanating from within.

 

Doc Brodsky was right this truly is the" perfect and seamless union between man and machine". - -

 

State of the Art for State of the Art.

 

I will be back to my old self in no time. Feeling almost 100% already.

I am after all...

 

"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."

 

"Now it's time to say goodbye.

I suggest you don't dawdle, the hounds will be released in ten minutes."

 

 

"SMITHERS!! Carry me upstairs


Edited by Monty Burns - 6/11/14 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post
 

Monty Burn's Custom Sleeve Adventure:

Chapter 3 - "Brain Damage"

 

Welcome back . Time for my (Sur)real World impression of the 8s outfitted with Sensaphonics Custom Silicone Sleeves, as promised.

 

Nothing less than a true field test was going to suffice. I believe I have delivered. But then that is for you to judge

Upon my safe return to Burns Manor I changed into something more comfortable and prepared to settle in for a real test of the upgrade...

 

I took out my digital Dictaphone to record my thoughts and experiences in real time.

 

My ever faithful, fawning sycophantic assistant, Wayland Smithers was again on hand to take pictures, lend assistance and tend to my every whim. (He is after all a fawning sycophant - Which reminds me SMITHERS!!! Get me a drink)

 

What follows below are written transcripts (cobbled together as they were from my real time " recorded notes") along with of my early post session initial impressions, (though they are as of yet not fully distilled.).

 

Remember what the dormouse said. And don't dawdle you don't want to keep the Caterpillar waiting.

Exceeellent! Let us begin...

.....

First Impressions:

It had been a wonderful day and what I needed now to give it the perfect ending was a bit of the old Glorious Ninth by Ludwig Van

 

Upon returning home and I popped in the 8s. The tiny tendril's/tubules again extended from the sleeves aperture spreading deeper, deeper into my brain - (btw - Sweet fit),

 

Cued up, jacked in and then...

 

 

Well thought out how about Pros: and Cons: ?

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Originally Posted by soundblast75 View Post

Not really,but i find the 846 lacking somehow..thats after going back to check on the merlins,i was amazed how much more i preferred them.

 

Without you telling us how you think they differ I can only talk to their tonal differences.  Merlin is a bass monster with a big old treble spike.  Your typical V curve.  The 846, depending on filter used, ranges from very warm to nearly neutral (using the Welti/Olive curve).

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A few other quick observations.

1) The volume dial really does go to 42 now. In that I am getting the same volume in my head with the Customs on at a lower setting. 90% of volume truly goes through your whole body

 

2) due to the increased bulk of the sleeve the shorter SHURE cable is not practical any more.

 

3)The memory wire should be straightened before inserting the sleeves then bent around the ear. (a practical difference)

 

3) I will be spending time testing out the different filters with them - That is once I can get the tendrils/tubules to  retract. For now I can say the DSOTM with the BLUE filter is much improved. but the WHITE is.. decisions decisions. . And .

 

4) If the 8s remain fused to my head, how in the hell do I explain this to an ER doctor.

 

The more I wear them the more I am of the opinion, money well spent.

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Originally Posted by hertzsogood View Post
 

Well thought out how about Pros: and Cons: ?


Pros

 

They sound great and are an improvement in comfort and overall wearability.

I mean they sound REALLY REALLY GREAT - The kind of great that usually requires copious amounts of 1970s LSD (I suspect) to reproduce.

David Gilmour AND Jimmy Page take residence in your brain.

They take the 846 to the next level  - from Tony Stark to Iron Man

 

 

Cons:

 

They are big and thus the 8s no longer sit flush with the side of my head. Still not as silly looking as Triple Fi's when inserted.

 

And they ain't cheap especially with shipping from Canada (my molds) Ouch. Still If I had spent that on a dinner it would be gone by morning (I am very regular)

 

You have to make the leap and get them before you know IF they are suited to you (as with CIEMs)

Too soon to say if I will get scratchy ears. Fingers crossed


Edited by Monty Burns - 6/11/14 at 5:52pm
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Pros

 

They sound great and are an improvement in comfort and overall wearability.

I mean they sound REALLY REALLY GREAT - The kind of great that usually requires copious amounts of 1970s LSD (I suspect) to reproduce.

David Gilmour AND Jimmy Page take residence in your brain.

They take the 846 to the next level  - from Tony Stark to Iron Man

 

Cons:

 

They are big and thus the 8s no longer sit flush with the side of my head. Still not as silly looking as Triple Fi's when inserted.

 

And they ain't cheap especially with shipping from Canada (my molds) Ouch. Still If I had spent that on a dinner it would be gone by morning (I am very regular)

 

You have to make the leap and get them before you know IF they are suited to you (as with CIEMs)

Too soon to say if I will get scratchy ears. Fingers crossed

Nice! I am enjoying the 846 and I reach for them over my customs why well because they sound as good and are easy to put on. Also great pics from a classic movie.

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One more POSTITIVE observation re the Sensaphonics custom sleeve.

Insertion  is surprisingly easy especially with a drop of the stuff Dr Brodsky gave me to put near the collar before use (optional). Not sure what it is  (lube?)

 

I guess I could look at the bottle but what with the blood still streaming from tear ducts my occipital lobe kind of blown and all... That will have to wait.

 

As for removing them. Well when I took them out at the Ludovico Institute it was harder than putting them in. IF the tendrils and tubules do ever retract I suspect that over time I will get the hang of it and it will be easy.

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Originally Posted by Monty Burns View Post
 

One more POSTITIVE observation re the Sensaphonics custom sleeve.

Insertion  is surprisingly easy especially with a drop of the stuff Dr Brodsky gave me to put near the collar before use (optional). Not sure what it is  (lube?)

 

I guess I could look at the bottle but what with the blood still streaming from tear ducts my occipital lobe kind of blown and all... That will have to wait.

 

As for removing them. Well when I took them out at the Ludovico Institute it was harder than putting them in. IF the tendrils and tubules do ever retract I suspect that over time I will get the hang of it and it will be easy.

Made by the company that brings you K-Y. Aren't you glad those little sleeves aren't beige?

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A chap on the w60 thread compared them very favourably with his lcd-x . The fact that the se846 only has portability as it's plus point against the hd800 is poor.
Top tier iem's should be able to be compared with headphones.
Being quirky is good in moderation.

 

 

I don't buy that at all.  Where was that rule written and I missed it?  Compare headphones to IEMs?  Wouldn't that be a little unfair to the headphones?  I mean, these days, what size drivers do heaphones use - like, what?  50mm?  Now, add up the total surface area of the 846 BA foils pushing the air and the result is sad indeed, in comparison.  Takes headphones so much more material....so much more weight...so much more power - not to mention almost twice the price (Sennhieser HD800 from sweetwater = 1499.00 - same place I bought my 846s for 900.00) for marginally better sound at, in my case, a 75% reduction in usability....its just a stupid comparison that ends with SQ achieved per grams of material used.  End of story.

 

You say portability, but a better word would be 'usability'.  I mean, come on.  People buy IEMs over headphones for some very good reasons.  Take me for example.  If I were limited to a set of headphones as my only headgear, the time I spend listening to music would easily be reduced by at least 70%.  Sorry, but I am not driving around looking like the dork of the century with a pair of headphones on.  It would cost me roughly 3 grand or more to install a car audio system that would replicate the quality of sound the 846s produce.  But more than that, one of my favorite things to do is to put my girlfriend on the back of my Yamaha, get on I-35 just around sunset and make that trek north to Lake Texoma on the Oklahoma border.  So nice.  STP purple CD at 110mph and we are the only ones on the road.  So sweet.  Me with my 846s and my girlfriend with her SE215 special editions, connected to the fuze player and feed through a FiiO bass boosted amp.  Its kinda what life is all about, and you know what?  Aint happening with HD800s. Not while wearing full coverage helments.  Sorry, just the way it is.  I mean, really.  Toss applicability aside and look at power consumption alone.  I get 8 to 10 hours of constant play from my player and amp.  I make that round trip to Lake Texoma driving 2 sets of IEMs with power left over.  How do you suppose two sets of HD800s at those volume levels would fair?

 

But if you don't think usability factors in to the equation, you simply haven't been to very many live performances - well, not as close as I have, anyway.  Creed, Black Crowes, 3rd Eye Blind and all the rest of them?  The band themselves use IEMs. Now, the sound engineers, the technicians and everyone else backstage or in the dark wear headphones.  Its that way because Eddie Vetter, Neil Young, Sammy Hagar and Tina Turner do not find headphones very usable for live performances.  And who, my friend, is going to tell them any different.  You?

 

But if you insist on comparing IEMs to headphones, at least do it in a way that makes some sort of sense, like price levels, maybe.  And in the sennheiser world that gives you what?  The HD700s in the SE846s price range?  I know too many people that have tossed their HD650s aside in favor of the 846s, but how, exactly, do the HD700s compare?  Anyone know?  You know?

 

I guess if I could do with headphones what I do with IEMs, it would make sense - comparing them.  But I can't, so it doesn't.  I listen to IEMs on an average of 6 hours a day.  Sometimes more.  Being limited to headphones would reduce that figure to 2.  So you can see how it is hard for me to get all warm and fuzzy over headgear that so cripples my enjoyment of music.  Because I can assure of this much -  NO ONE enjoys listening to music more than I do.  It may be possible that someone enjoys it as much, and maybe they are better at it, but for sure, not more. 

 

And yeah, I take it THAT seriously, so yeah, I use IEMs.  And that is not likely going to change. 


Edited by rmiller511 - 6/11/14 at 7:24pm
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I don't buy that at all.  Where was that rule written and I missed it?  Compare headphones to IEMs?  Wouldn't that be a little unfair to the headphones?  I mean, these days, what size drivers do heaphones use - like, what?  50mm?  Now, add up the total surface area of the 846 BA foils pushing the air and the result is sad indeed, in comparison.  Takes headphones so much more material....so much more weight...so much more power - not to mention almost twice the price (Sennhieser HD800 from sweetwater = 1499.00 - same place I bought my 846s for 900.00) for marginally better sound at, in my case, a 75% reduction in usability....its just a stupid comparison that ends with SQ achieved per grams of material used.  End of story.

 

You say portability, but a better word would be 'usability'.  I mean, come on.  People buy IEMs over headphones for some very good reasons.  Take me for example.  If I were limited to a set of headphones as my only headgear, the time I spend listening to music would easily be reduced by at least 70%.  Sorry, but I am not driving around looking like the dork of the century with a pair of headphones on.  It would cost me roughly 3 grand or more to install a car audio system that would replicate the quality of sound the 846s produce.  But more than that, one of my favorite things to do is to put my girlfriend on the back of my Yamaha, get on I-35 just around sunset and make that trek north to Lake Texoma on the Oklahoma border.  So nice.  STP purple CD at 110mph and we are the only ones on the road.  So sweet.  Me with my 846s and my girlfriend with her SE215 special editions, connected to the fuze player and feed through a FiiO bass boosted amp.  Its kinda what life is all about, and you know what?  Aint happening with HD800s. Not while wearing full coverage helments.  Sorry, just the way it is.  I mean, really.  Toss applicability aside and look at power consumption alone.  I get 8 to 10 hours of constant play from my player and amp.  I make that round trip to Lake Texoma driving 2 sets of IEMs with power left over.  How do you suppose two sets of HD800s at those volume levels would fair?

 

But if you don't think usability factors in to the equation, you simply haven't been to very many live performances - well, not as close as I have, anyway.  Creed, Black Crowes, 3rd Eye Blind and all the rest of them?  The band themselves use IEMs. Now, the sound engineers, the technicians and everyone else backstage or in the dark wear headphones.  Its that way because Eddie Vetter, Neil Young, Sammy Hagar and Tina Turner do not find headphones very usable for live performances.  And who, my friend, is going to tell them any different.  You?

 

But if you insist on comparing IEMs to headphones, at least do it in a way that makes some sort of sense, like price levels, maybe.  And in the sennheiser world that gives you what?  The HD700s in the SE846s price range?  I know too many people that have tossed their HD650s aside in favor of the 846s, but how, exactly, do the HD700s compare?  Anyone know?  You know?

 

I guess if I could do with headphones what I do with IEMs, it would make sense - but I can't, so it doesn't.  I listen to IEMs on an average of 6 hours a day.  Sometimes more.  Being limited to headphones would reduce that figure to 2.  So you can see how it is hard for me to get all warm and fuzzy over headgear that so cripples my enjoyment of music.  Because I can assure of this much -  NO ONE enjoys listening to music more than I do.  It may be possible that someone enjoys it as much, and maybe they are better at it, but for sure, not more. 

 

And yeah, I take it THAT seriously, so yeah, I use IEMs.  And that is not likely going to change. 

Guess he is happy with his new earphone and people tend to exaggerate a bit at first.

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Made by the company that brings you K-Y. Aren't you glad those little sleeves aren't beige?


whoah.  good point.

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