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post #1981 of 16761
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post


You're right there. You need a good source to get the best out of them. If I'd heard them for the first time out of an ipod I'd have been part of the "They're not much better than the SE535" brigade. And it's not just the bass: everything suffers. With a good DAP they sound terrific.

Some people (myself included) will amp them because of the high output impedance of their source. Just about anything will drive them to a good volume.

 

 

How would that explain the average at best sound with the PHA-2 over the 5s then?  5s DAC that good?  I'm having a hard time understanding what makes the PHA-2 worth $600 based on my few hours of listening and constantly comparing with and without the PHA-2..

post #1982 of 16761
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Originally Posted by slashd0t View Post


How would that explain the average at best sound with the PHA-2 over the 5s then?  5s DAC that good?  I'm having a hard time understanding what makes the PHA-2 worth $600 based on my few hours of listening and constantly comparing with and without the PHA-2..

Doesn't the PHA-2 have a 10ohm output impedance?
post #1983 of 16761

Yup PHA-2 and iems do not mix.  Would scoop out the upper mids of the 846.

post #1984 of 16761
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Yup PHA-2 and iems do not mix.  Would scoop out the upper mids of the 846.

I've never seen the point in things like the PHA-2. Unsuitable for IEMs, not powerful enough for big headphones. What is it for?
post #1985 of 16761
After two weeks, it seemed like the highs are less muffled with the blue filters on my iPhone 5S. When I use the SE846 on my Sony XA50ES CD player however, like I did 2 weeks ago, it still sounds horribly muffled. The XA50ES is a billion times better than the iPhone 5S, yet the SE846 sucks on it. The SE535LTD-J does a much better job on the XA50ES. On the XA50ES, the SE846 sounds like an ultra cheap pair of earbuds with great bass. The mids and highs are crap on the SE846 when used on the XA50ES. I'll try the SE846 on my JA50ES MD this weekend. My SE535LTD-J sounds phenomenal on the JA50ES. I predict that the SE846 has the same problems on that source as well.

Oh and about the 60% volume, the iPhone's output volume is much lower than Android smartphones afaik.
post #1986 of 16761

If there was a numerical volume scale on the Sony ZX1 (from 1 to 10), my listening volume would be 3, and it would be 4 on the Note 3 and iPod Touch 5G.

post #1987 of 16761
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post


Doesn't the PHA-2 have a 10ohm output impedance?

 

8-600 Ohm support as per their spec sheet..

post #1988 of 16761

I tried my note 3 with my 846s (with a multitude of different players) and it was a hiss monster.  I finally settled on the ipod 5th gen to my RSA for my portable solution.  I thought I read the Sony ZX1 was also prone to hiss.  Is that the case?

post #1989 of 16761
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post


I've never seen the point in things like the PHA-2. Unsuitable for IEMs, not powerful enough for big headphones. What is it for?

 

Same thing the Fostex HP-P1 is for... making money.  Let's be honest here, for the most part people have no idea what they are looking at.

post #1990 of 16761
On this note, there is a nice comment by Ray Samuels of RSA on the F-35 Lightning thread where he briefly discusses why he does not use certain components in his amplifiers solely because of the growing popularity of IEMs.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/666106/rsa-the-lightning-f-35-fully-balanced-portable-amp-review-35-more-f-35-amps-at-intro-price/220_20#post_10483981
post #1991 of 16761
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Originally Posted by M Coupe View Post
 

I tried my note 3 with my 846s (with a multitude of different players) and it was a hiss monster.  I finally settled on the ipod 5th gen to my RSA for my portable solution.  I thought I read the Sony ZX1 was also prone to hiss.  Is that the case?

 

Yeah, there's an ever so slight hiss with the ZX1. I don't think it affects the music. The ZX1 and 846 pair well. The Note 3 (with V4A and Poweramp) outshines the ZX1 in some categories. The areas the ZX1 wins in is soundstage placement, dynamics, and roundness of note.

 

Believe it or not, the Note 3 is dead silent with the attenuator and the music player volume all the way up. I use EQ to compensate for the loss in “shine” for using the attenuator.

 

If I could combine the sound of the Note 3 and ZX1, that'd be good. I might get close simply by installing V4A on the ZX1. I'm not going to do that until I'm sure I'll keep it.

post #1992 of 16761

Thanks Truck Driver!

post #1993 of 16761
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 


They don't need an amp, but their bass response varies dramatically based on the source. Some sources will feel like they are crushing your ear drums, others will sound bassless, amazingly. If you look at the head-fi reviews, one guy even returned his SE846s because it didn't have any bass (he was clearly using a bad source)!

I agree that sources make a big difference with the SE846's.  While my iPhone 5 and iPad 4 sounded similar with the SE846, my iPod touch 5th gen definitely sounds noticeably better.  I find the iPhone 5 muddier, it seems like a veil is lifted when using the iPod touch.  The iPod touch seems airier when compared to the iPhone.  The bass also seems firmer with the iPod touch, whereas the bass on the iPhone 5 seems bloated to me.  

I also have an X5 at the post office waiting for me to pick it up next Friday when I get home from work, so I will be able to compare it to the 5th gen touch.  

post #1994 of 16761

Hi all- IMHO.  I agree on 5th gen ipod touch vs ipod 5.  I had a iphone 5 and 5s before migrating to ipod touch 5th gen (spook Thanks!).  For me, the primary reason to look at an amp (with the 846s) is not power but to go balanced. I can promise you that a balanced setup will blow you away.  The RSA balanced amp with Ted Allen's silver calbes took the performance of my 846's up (subjectively) 30-40%...the soundstage really opened up and that is where I am getting the biggest improvement.  It is no small difference.  In fact, it makes the iphone 5 to ipod touch 5th gen look miniscule IMHO.  YMMV.  Good luck!

 

Also, since I am giving Spook some props...I have to thank him for recommending the Tuneshell player for my ipod.  Aside from the ability to play flac, it sounds more dynamic than the stock player.  Be sure to check this out and thank Spook once you see for yourself. Compared to the iTunes player I would say it gives another 5-10% sound improvement.  It sounds less thick and more dynamic.  I don't even listen to the iTunes player on my ipod anymore.


Edited by M Coupe - 4/24/14 at 8:01pm
post #1995 of 16761
That is kind of you to say M Coupe. You have been a great friend I met here in Head-Fi.

Lord knows I spent a lot of time and effort assembling my portable rig. First it was upgrading my music from 256kbps to 320kbps. Second, using Headphone Lounge OCC silver cables (now their new OCC silver litz Reference Cables). Third, going with a balanced RSA amp (first the Protector now the Lightning). Fourth, changing my source from the iPhone 5 to the iPod Touch 5th. Finally, finding the Tune Shell app and upgrading music library to FLAC/ALAC.
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