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post #1741 of 16769

It's not.  You sure you are getting a good seal?  Filters do not affect the bass just treble.

 

post #1742 of 16769
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post

Just telling you what I hear.

But that chart has to be way off. The SE846 blue filter doesn't have anywhere near that much bass.
AG,

What you MAY be hearing is the typical mid bass hump on the HD800 vs. the subwoofer sound of the 846. The low pass filter is specifically designed to have a mid bass roll off. It is what makes the 846 pretty unique by highlighting the sub bass not the mid bass as the HD800 and the JH-16fp to name two do.
post #1743 of 16769
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

AG,

What you MAY be hearing is the typical mid bass hump on the HD800 vs. the subwoofer sound of the 846. The low pass filter is specifically designed to have a mid bass roll off. It is what makes the 846 pretty unique by highlighting the sub bass not the mid bass as the HD800 and the JH-16fp to name two do.

I can distinguish sub 80 hz bass and with my setup the hd800 produces plenty of it.

Also the white filter DEFINITELY reduces bass to my ears so that proves those charts are wrong with respect to my set.

Not to mention that golden ears and innerfidelity have different measurements for the same headphone. It seems everyone does these measurements differently so who knows what they are worth.

I have a perfect seal with comply professional tips. I can't hear people talking right in front of me.
Edited by ag8908 - 3/28/14 at 1:34pm
post #1744 of 16769
How does that site compare the se846 with bass heavy over the ears? I think it must be mismeasuring iems.
post #1745 of 16769

I suppose GoldenEars is also measuring them wrong?  

 

Here is the 846 with the TH-900.

In other news, I just read your profile.  The amp you are using is warping the HD800 response to have more bass output.  So if that is your ideal response, then yes the 846 may sound lean.

Green is 0ohm output impedance, yellow 170ohm, orange 680ohm.  You list the Yamaha as 300 so imagine somewhere in the middle of 170 and 680.


Edited by Solude - 3/28/14 at 2:41pm
post #1746 of 16769
Yeah maybe that's it 300 ohm headphone jack but it's a 300 ohm headphone though so wouldn't that be what you're supposed to use with the hd800?
post #1747 of 16769
Wait golden ears didn't have the same results as headroom.

Also explain the ohm thing if you can
post #1748 of 16769

You have to compare raw to raw since they use different compensation curves.

 


Edited by Solude - 3/28/14 at 4:20pm
post #1749 of 16769
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post

Also explain the ohm thing if you can

 

The incorrect but easier to understand version is this...

The black line is the impedance curve of the HD800.  As the amp output impedance goes up, the frequencies around the high point of the headphone's impedance curve go up too.  In the case of the HD800, again inaccurate but good enough for explaining the basics, the 20-400Hz region gets a bump up centred on that 100Hz peak.

post #1750 of 16769
These graphs seem all over the place with their inability to factor in impedance and their varying compensation methods.

My ears tell me that although the se846 has bass it's not a bass monster like a properly amped denon. I still wonder if they're measuring iems correctly but any way.
post #1751 of 16769

A lot of it has to do with not pushing a lot of air like an Audeze or Fostex.

post #1752 of 16769
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

A lot of it has to do with not pushing a lot of air like an Audeze or Fostex.

I saw headroom seems to state that other IEMs, that I didn't think were bass heavy, or which (in the case of the SE425) were bass anemic, had more bass that I heard as well. Yes you can definitely feel the air moving when wearing the HD800, and other large open back headphones I imagine (it's not like wind or anything like that, but you can still feel it).

 

I really don't like bass at all, the HD800 is about the most I can tolerate, but I have no problems with the SE846 blue filter. I play it at very low volume on my LG G Flex phone (2 bars of volume).


Edited by ag8908 - 3/28/14 at 4:53pm
post #1753 of 16769
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

A lot of it has to do with not pushing a lot of air like an Audeze or Fostex.

How is the bass of the blue filter in comparison to the LCD-2 headphones? Is it the same? ( I guess then I need to adjust to this kind of "neutra" bass :P )

 

edit: It seems that the bass is very sensitive the source. With my Apogee One it sounds like it has massive subwoofers in it. Straight out of my Retina Macbook Pro, the bass is normal. 


Edited by ubs28 - 3/29/14 at 12:22am
post #1754 of 16769

Who has experience with Comply Tips? Are these the same sizes as the stock shure tips?

Just wondering if I need M or L.

Once when the Shure tips had no wax-guard I was M, now with the wax-guard im a L.

 

Also what models did you try? Active, Isolation, Isolation Plus, Comfort, Comfort Plus and Professional.

post #1755 of 16769

Comply size differences are less drastic than Shure.  But if you are a large in Shure, you are definitely a large in Comply.  I have tried the pro and isolation with the 846.  Speaking of I need to get around to ordering some large pros.

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