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post #1621 of 17052
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Originally Posted by Whazzzup View Post

IMO eq is not an option. The music as intended should be flat through the amp, sure max the gain, but the cans must deliver the sound as intended. If you don't like the sound, change the amp, and specifically change the cans,I em or otherwise.

I agree. Whenever I EQ an IEM the sound becomes thinner and artificial sounding to my ears. Whereas the acoustical dampners in the filters (blue and black) sound completely natural.

As for a comparison between the 535 and 846 of which there are posts here ad nauseam. I liked and still like the 535 especially the midrange but not only does the 846 perform better across the spectrum it's clarity, soundstage and instrument separation are beyond the 535 and I haven't even mentioned the BASS of the 846.
post #1622 of 17052
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
 

 

I think part of why you didn't hear much difference between the two with that song is because the 846 does not falsely throw in mid bass where there is not any in the recorded material. If the song is lean, then it will sound that way to a T. 

 

The low end with the Sony ZX1, if music has crazy low reach, is truly amazing. I never recall the 535 doing bass like that on my previous Sony DAPs. 

 

The line you highlighted is my example of why the reviewer may not have been able to tell the difference. If his (or her) source is not producing a sub-bass that allows the 846 to distinguish itself from the 535, then they may not have heard much of a difference. That was my point.

 

I still look at audio thru a car audio lens (i.e. you don't want too much amp capability for your speakers). Most pedestrian DAPs ship with earbuds. That's how the makers expects the device to be used. Makers also want to get good battery life so they neuter the DAPs internal hardware. I don't know specifically about Sony, but I'm guessing the ZX1 is a completely different beast than even your average Sony DAP. I'm guessing they didn't take any shortcuts or did any neutering. I'm guessing the hardware and software of the ZX! are optimized (and they probably ship with real earphones and not those ear toys).

 

V4A tells you upfront that it needs Superuser permission to replace neutering audio drivers. I believe Voodoo did something similar for that Wolfson DAC in the S1. The end result is better performance. My Note 3 sounds better since I rooted it this morning and installed V4A. Yesterday, the Note 3 had no bass rumble and was not as capable as my Galaxy S2 (with V4A). Today, it's a race.

post #1623 of 17052
Truck,

I am sure somewhere you mentioned this but doesn't Galaxy S2 with the Yamaha DAC have a very high output impedance of something between 32-49ohms. This data is from old posts here at Head-Fi so I do not know its veracity as well as NaAvGuy. Does rooting the S2 and installing Viper overcome this?
post #1624 of 17052

Actually the ZX1 ships with no earphones and expect the buyer to be using something better than stock. It is marketed towards audiophiles in a way with high res capability. It's without a doubt a high end dap for iems.

post #1625 of 17052

Which makes the 15mW output... odd.

post #1626 of 17052
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

Truck,

I am sure somewhere you mentioned this but doesn't Galaxy S2 with the Yamaha DAC have a very high output impedance of something between 32-49ohms. This data is from old posts here at Head-Fi so I do not know its veracity as well as NaAvGuy. Does rooting the S2 and installing Viper overcome this?

 

Spook, I think Goldenears has one variant of the Galaxy S2 output impedance rated in the 10 ohm range. I think the resistance is probably in the output circuitry rather than the DAC itself (but I'm certainly no expert on that). One of the early testers claim the Yamaha DAC had great theoretical numbers but was poorly implemented in that phone.

 

I don't think the impedance issue was overcome. The only bandline EQing that I use is to raise the mids a few decibals. The highs are sharp with no raising. The bass has some separate boosting that I use to apply 8db at 40Hz. It's crazy. It does nothing to most of the bass range but takes sub-bass up in that range.

 

The EQing on Viper is not so much about lifting frequencies as balancing the sound field. Deciding how strong you want sounds panned to the center or out wide. Shifting various controls makes things more or less transparent. Like Foobar2000, there's the convolver feature that uses impulse response files. It's not a typical DSP.

 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post
 

Actually the ZX1 ships with no earphones and expect the buyer to be using something better than stock. It is marketed towards audiophiles in a way with high res capability. It's without a doubt a high end dap for iems.

 

Yeah, that makes sense and speaks to my point. They don't bother to put toys in the box because it's not made for toy buds.


Edited by truckdriver - 3/11/14 at 6:45pm
post #1627 of 17052

Sorry about the double post. I don't know what happened there.


Edited by truckdriver - 3/11/14 at 6:44pm
post #1628 of 17052

Guys are you aware that V4A also has a version for PC ?

It's called Viper 4 Windows http://vipersaudio.com/blog/?page_id=59

So you can try it and see how various effects actually sound.

Be sure to use it as Administrator.


Edited by ForceMajeure - 3/11/14 at 9:08pm
post #1629 of 17052

Unlike some, i do not care what the artist intended (think Yoko).  i only care how it sounds to me.

post #1630 of 17052
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Originally Posted by rdavid View Post
 

Unlike some, i do not care what the artist intended (think Yoko).  i only care how it sounds to me.

 

I always thought that “artist intent” phrase was a red herring. What was the Beatles' “intent”, the 2009 remastered sound, or prior? Besides, according to Neil Young, we've never heard many many “artist intentions” and he aims to “fix that”.:D

post #1631 of 17052

So I got mine this morning, I like the new case better then the one they put with the 425, but it's still not a very good case.

I like the fact of having a spare cable, but I hate its stiffness..

Out of the box, connected to my LG G2 I had no volume problems that I suspected with the 9ohm impedance.

I can go up to 50% for good volume.

I don't want to comment on SQ yet, since all I had to listen to right now were some random mp3s, but I can already say that the sub-bass has a lot of presence.

I think that I'll switch to my FiiO aftermarket cable. on ,my 425 I didn;t hear a SQ change, but it's more comfy.

post #1632 of 17052
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Originally Posted by BaTou069 View Post

So I got mine this morning, I like the new case better then the one they put with the 425, but it's still not a very good case.
I like the fact of having a spare cable, but I hate its stiffness..
Out of the box, connected to my LG G2 I had no volume problems that I suspected with the 9ohm impedance.
I can go up to 50% for good volume.
I don't want to comment on SQ yet, since all I had to listen to right now were some random mp3s, but I can already say that the sub-bass has a lot of presence.
I think that I'll switch to my FiiO aftermarket cable. on ,my 425 I didn;t hear a SQ change, but it's more comfy.

There is no SQ change between the 425 And 846?
post #1633 of 17052
I believe the Fiio cable with the se425 made no difference in sound
post #1634 of 17052

New cable for my 846:etysmile:

post #1635 of 17052

The cable made no difference in SQ, but its less stiff and more comfortable.So I use it right now on the 846, but I own it only some hours cant compare still.

Of course there is a SQ difference, but I'm more then a month with a left-ear only SE425, since the other one broke. Also my left-ear 215 broke, so I'm listening to a left425/right215 combination for a month now.... So no A/B hearing here....

First impressions is, much more soundstage, very wide, much clearer sound. I had low expectations and I'm very happy with my purchase, my wallet is less happy but I keep him silent :)

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