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The ODAC uses a ESS Sabre chip...confused.gif   

Is it the ess 9023 like the hifimidiy (however you spell it, I'm on a phone) guys?
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Apple's iDevices are pretty good with IEMs IMO.

Ag8908: The Geek Out might be worth trying once they start shipping them, but it would be worth waiting for reviews. I'll try and remember do a 60db-level listening comparison when I finally get mine.

I'd be quite content with an iPod Classic and a small amplifier if it weren't for that fact that it limits you to 16 bit music files. I'll probably get the Fii0 X5 when it's released in a couple of weeks.
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I'd be quite content with an iPod Classic and a small amplifier if it weren't for that fact that it limits you to 16 bit music files. I'll probably get the Fii0 X5 when it's released in a couple of weeks.


That's what interested me in the Geek out. I read an article [edit: marketing letter] about how its numbers (bits, khz etc.) were very high, like the numbers of a very expensive dac.

 

here it is:

 

www.lightharmonic.com/download/ces2014press/.../2013_12_27.pdf‎

 

Edit: link doesn't work but if you google geek out dac 32 bit you'll see it


Edited by ag8908 - 3/7/14 at 5:52am
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Here is an awesome website telling you the chip inside each DAC. Indeed, objective was just using the ES9023 (which I gave a five star review to in the hifimidiy because that entire package, dac and amp, only cost $40, but which ultimately I didn't like as much as the realtek 269 in my laptop, which I felt sounded more natural; all subjective though so none of this means anything with respect to your tastes).

 

http://www.alldacinfo.com/?page_id=242

 

Edit: that's interesting that Bulgaria makes so many DACs, including very expensive ones. Who knew they were such an audiophile country.


Edited by ag8908 - 3/7/14 at 5:59am
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I'm hooked on 192 frequency 32 bit 4 x sampling on hpa8.
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The apple idevice DACs are much better than what used to be around. They've certainly been surpassed by the audiophile level players out there with the massive price tags and atrocious UIs. There is nothing in Amos's comments to disagree with.

It's subjective as to what dac/amp combo you will prefer. I disliked the O2/ODAC combo, but I love using the CLAS -db/Duet with the Shure 846 and iPhone 5s. The bass gets remarkably tight, the sound feels more transparent, the soundstage opens up, and most importantly, I can listen for an entire day instead of just an hour.

Is it worth an extra $1300 to me to listen to the Shure 846 in this setup? Yup. Would I listen to it right out of an iPhone 5s and still enjoy the music? Heck ya! Good music is good music.
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the other day i sent in my SE846 as the right side's bass driver failed and i just picked it up today. the staff told me that the right bud was replaced. testing on the spot i could clearly hear that there was bass again so i was happy with it and took it home. but upon critical listening at home i noticed that the bass was slightly imbalanced towards the right side now. i've switched cables/filters/nozzles/eartips and each time i get the same result. i also switched back to my westone 4 for a while to make sure i wasn't imagining it and now i'm dead sure that there's nothing wrong with my hearing. i'm wondering if anyone has had such an experience after sending in your SE846 for warranty? or could it be that the newer earbud was tuned differently? any advice would be much appreciated! 

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The question I have is, what do the $20,000 and up DACs in the link above do, that your average DAC can't do. I agree that a some audiophile stuff is imaginary, but I assume no one would pay the price of a car for a DAC unless it really did something.

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the other day i sent in my SE846 as the right side's bass driver failed and i just picked it up today. the staff told me that the right bud was replaced. testing on the spot i could clearly hear that there was bass again so i was happy with it and took it home. but upon critical listening at home i noticed that the bass was slightly imbalanced towards the right side now. i've switched cables/filters/nozzles/eartips and each time i get the same result. i also switched back to my westone 4 for a while to make sure i wasn't imagining it and now i'm dead sure that there's nothing wrong with my hearing. i'm wondering if anyone has had such an experience after sending in your SE846 for warranty? or could it be that the newer earbud was tuned differently? any advice would be much appreciated! 


I would recommend that rather than wasting your time trying to justify the difference, which you seem to be certain is real, you just get on the phone and get Shure to fix it.

 

Does anyone know where Shure's factories are, by the way? I hope they're not in the United States, with all these defects.

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Originally Posted by lyrrom View Post
 

the other day i sent in my SE846 as the right side's bass driver failed and i just picked it up today. the staff told me that the right bud was replaced. testing on the spot i could clearly hear that there was bass again so i was happy with it and took it home. but upon critical listening at home i noticed that the bass was slightly imbalanced towards the right side now. i've switched cables/filters/nozzles/eartips and each time i get the same result. i also switched back to my westone 4 for a while to make sure i wasn't imagining it and now i'm dead sure that there's nothing wrong with my hearing. i'm wondering if anyone has had such an experience after sending in your SE846 for warranty? or could it be that the newer earbud was tuned differently? any advice would be much appreciated! 

How long did it take for your 846 to malfunction?? Date of manufacture?

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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 

The question I have is, what do the $20,000 and up DACs in the link above do, that your average DAC can't do. I agree that a some audiophile stuff is imaginary, but I assume no one would pay the price of a car for a DAC unless it really did something.

 

I think its just a different level of experience here. An experience audiophile who has been playing around various equipment, cables, dacs/amps over many years and decades will have a different perspective of another who has just started in this hobby. Here I think the key differences is the level of appreciation..

 

 

 

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It's not just the DAC chip itself, but the analog stage that follows it, which contributes to differences in sound between DACs.

 

As for the Da Vinci DAC, there are a lot of propriety technologies and custom implementations that Lightspeed developed.  If you read their marketing page, you can see some of the different technical things they spent time trying to address.  Plus the overbuilt construction (the damn thing weighs over 60 .lbs).  You're not just paying for raw materials, but also for the development cost and then maybe some ultra high-end tax as well.  Will it make a lick of difference, given the level of human hearing and how imperfect speakers are in general?  Who knows. At some point I question whether you are just undertaking a technical exercise so that you can say your DAC measures the best or whether it makes an audible difference. And if the Da Vinci DAC doesn't measure better, they could have introduced some distortion or non-linearity so that it sounds different than a traditional DAC.

 

I mean, you could develop a burger that cost $50 to make and sell it for $100, but whether it tastes better than a $5 burger from In-n-out is another story.

 

BTW, Lightspeed is now coming out with a $120k DAC:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/light-harmonic-sire-dac


Edited by vantagesc - 3/7/14 at 10:28am
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it didn't exactly "malfunction" just seems that the bass is leaning onto the right (newer) side. everything else seems perfectly balanced.

how do i check the manufacture date?

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I'm not sure I would buy anything worth $120k from a tiny and new company like light harmonic. (I'm not even sure I want to gamble $200 on their geek out, lol)

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Originally Posted by lyrrom View Post
 

it didn't exactly "malfunction" just seems that the bass is leaning onto the right (newer) side. everything else seems perfectly balanced.

how do i check the manufacture date?


that's a total malfunction. the date is on the box, but defects have shown up for pretty much all dates based on threads/amazon reviews.

 

Edit: if you want to go there, when you call them mention all the defects showing up on headfi/amazon etc., and ask them who manages the manufacturing process. I hope Shure's plant isn't in the U.S. because that would explain why e.g. Apple manufactures Iphones in that notorious plant in China: extremely low defect rates.


Edited by ag8908 - 3/7/14 at 10:41am
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