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post #1501 of 6157
Agree the 846 does not need much amp to realize its potential, I'm not sure I would consider using an iPhone as a source if you want to maximize potential. Usb from computer fine, opticle conection fine, sd card hd fine....i do also agree you have to watch the source volume control as this can be another weak link in the chain. To much volume distorts etc...I also agree that equalization is another weak point and unnecessary, different amps have different responses to its flat line and produce different degrees of warmth etc. all of this is only pertinent to cans of particular sonic sensitivity and response, of which the 846 IMO does not fall.
Edited by Whazzzup - 3/6/14 at 11:54am
post #1502 of 6157
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

If you paid $1k for headphones of potential, and iphone doesn't help it output the $1k headphones to it's potential.  Why would you buy a $1k headphones?  Just get a 535 and there is no difference between iphone and a better amped source.


An Iphone's DAC is actually excellent, and its amp is quite good for most headphones. In general, keep in mind that it's a $600 phone and Apple doesn't cheap out on features.


However, I do have to observe that earlier you said the SE535 was better than the SE846 (something about cymbals), and now you contradicted that earlier statement, by stating that the 846 is a higher end product? Not sure if I misunderstood.

 

Addendum: DACs do obviously sound very different from one another, but that's subjective and depends on what sort of frequency response you like. Apple apparently believes that most people like its frequency response (and I do believe they researched it).


Edited by ag8908 - 3/6/14 at 12:57pm
post #1503 of 6157
I do agree with your amp gain assesment, the hpa8 as an example produces excellent linear sound regardless of amount of amp up.
post #1504 of 6157

Never implied better or worse.  I said 846 is different in the fact that compared to 535, there is a noticible sound change from a phone to a properly built neutral source.  You paid $1k for it, might as well get it up to it's potential.  $600 is all the cost to build the screen, processor, case, design, labor, marketing, and etc..


Edited by SilverEars - 3/6/14 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

I'm not liking these.  I don't think Shure really hit it, I don't consider it high end.  I like the details on certain frequencies it provides, but it gets washed out with certain frequencies.   Very high mids are over emphasized.  It's different from 535 that it has a narrow portion that is really emphasized on the high end, whereas 535 emphasizes a wider band.  There definitely is wider sound stage than 535.  The neutral is not neutral.  these don't sound that great with portables, I had to source it from my Objective combo to hear it's full potential.  It's a shame.  It's a return for me.  I'm satisfied with the 535, it's really not significantly better, it's just different with better sound stage.  I don't think it's worth the price tag, there are other headphones that can match the performance for way less.  I think they changed the signature and bumped up the price.  Some frequency ranges has been recessed from the 535.  The tips situation is disappointing, for such a price range.  I would think they would have focused on one aspect that drastically affects the sound, the tips!!  Westone start tips, why do we have to resort to those??  I feel like the tips could be better.  I feel like a olive type tip with large bore is warranted.

 

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So my point is when snare with cymbal, it will not create a clarity or keep the sound tight, it cannot handle when it sound extends, it will distort.  which ever frequency range cybal sound is in, is emphasized, but not controlled.

 

If I can figure out how to get bass out of 535, I'm sure I've seated the headphones right, and tried everything.

 

 

This didn't read to me like the words of a person who believes the 846 is an upgrade from the 535.

post #1506 of 6157
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Never implied better or worse.  I said 846 is different in the fact that compared to 535, there is a noticible sound change from a phone to a properly built neutral source.  You paid $1k for it, might as well get it up to it's potential.  $600 is all the cost to build the screen, processor, case, design, labor, marketing, and etc..


You should investigate the technical backgrounds etc. of some amp manufacturers. They're basically amateurs with no degrees, working out of their garage, and charging a huuuge markup.

 

I'm pretty sure Apple assigned a genius to figure out what DAC/Amp they should. Just guessing, but that's how I would bet my money.

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His poorly designed amp, which he admitted radically alters the sound of his source/iem,  is probably why he isn't enjoying his Shure 846. :veryevil:

post #1508 of 6157
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post
 

His poorly designed amp, which he admitted radically alters the sound of his source/iem,  is probably why he isn't enjoying his Shure 846. :veryevil:

 

Let me get this. 846 changes, but 535 don't on the same source.  Logically, which component is causing it??


Edited by SilverEars - 3/6/14 at 12:26pm
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p.s. only to give confidence to people using Iphones, check out this review by a guy who demonstrates his credibility by uploading a recent hearing test (which apparently shows he has perfect hearing)

 

http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5/audio-quality.htm

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I prefer at least the output impedance to be less than 1.

 

http://en.goldenears.net/13182

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I've been thinking of buying this. It's a small enough price that it's not a total gamble if it does nothing.

 

http://geek.lhlabs.com/geekout/

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I don't think there's anything wrong with people who use phones with expensive iem's. It may not be at its best but it still sounds good. Actually even with my phone a 1k earphone still sounds better than a $500 earphone imo.
post #1513 of 6157

I'm using $20 Clip, it sounds great without amping.  

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

I don't think there's anything wrong with people who use phones with expensive iem's. It may not be at its best but it still sounds good. Actually even with my phone a 1k earphone still sounds better than a $500 earphone imo.

Rawster I could not agree more. Please do not take my comments about amplification to imply you need to amp the SE846. It sounds absolutely fantastic right out of the box with an iPhone or Sansa Clip. An amp simply makes a great IEM even better, it is the icing on an already tasty cake.
post #1515 of 6157
Apple's iDevices are pretty good with IEMs IMO.

Ag8908: The Geek Out might be worth trying once they start shipping them, but it would be worth waiting for reviews. I'll try and remember do a 60db-level listening comparison when I finally get mine.
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