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post #1471 of 8391

Like all shure headphones, when only vocals are there, it shines.  Instrumentation is not very good if too much is going on.  Also, since high high mids are over emphasized, it's fatiguing, and music sound less pleasant after extended listening.

post #1472 of 8391

What genre of music do you listen to out of curiosity? On these I mostly listen to the various pop genres (I include country and hip hop in that category, basically anything but classical).

post #1473 of 8391

When the sound extends, gets punchy, it sounds distorted, no clarity at the extensions.

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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

When the sound extends, gets punchy, it sounds distorted, no clarity at the extensions.


You hear distortions with bass? It sounded clean to me, and the innerfidelity charts confirmed it I think.

 

Well any way at least now you know, so you won't wonder what they sound like.

 

P.S. before you return them, you may wish to make sure you inserted each filter perfectly. Some people insert them incorrectly causing a little less than ideal sound.

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Yeah I felt the treble was a little rolled off too. Not enough to bother me but I hear what you're saying. I like it, though, because a ton of my songs (especially exercise songs) have bass which this can reproduce beautifully. With the SE425 all I got was this lame tapping sound and I had to imagine what it would sound like if it were bass. With these I hear bass. And the treble/mids aren't bad, better than the SE425 that I used to use, but I agree they're not super sparkly.

 

Hopefully your vendor doesn't charge you a restocking fee.

To get maximum bass, you use the largest comply.  I listen to pop, R&B, lots of vocals, but still disappointed with these.  It doesn't stand out.

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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 


You hear distortions with bass? It sounded clean to me, and the innerfidelity charts confirmed it I think.

 

Well any way at least now you know, so you won't wonder what they sound like.

 

P.S. before you return them, you may wish to make sure you inserted each filter perfectly. Some people insert them incorrectly causing a little less than ideal sound.

No, not the bass, the high mids, when it gets punchy and extends, when the sibilance reaches high levels.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/5/14 at 11:11pm
post #1477 of 8391

I use comply professional. But can I ask, how can you enjoy hip hop on the SE535?  . . .you need the bass.


Edited by ag8908 - 3/5/14 at 11:13pm
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(not sure about the 535 but I heard its bass was nonexistent as well).

Not true, it's tips and amp dependant.  You can get ample bass for hip-hop, not dre or sony level, but as same level as the 846.  I don't need that much bass, I'm a mids guy, and as I don't want ghetto bass.

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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Not true, it's tips and amp dependant.  You can get ample bass for hip-hop, not dre or sony level, but as same level as the 846.  I don't need that much bass, I'm a mids guy, and as I don't want ghetto bass.

That's interesting. Other people complained that the 535 was bass anemic. Any way, I would just check one time to make sure everything is seated properly and then yeah just return it and get something you want.

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So my point is when snare with cymbal, it will not create a clarity or keep the sound tight, it cannot handle when it sound extends, it will distort.  which ever frequency range cybal sound is in, is emphasized, but not controlled.

 

If I can figure out how to get bass out of 535, I'm sure I've seated the headphones right, and tried everything.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/5/14 at 11:10pm
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Balanced cables is a short hand way of saying balanced terminated cables. Same materials used in the cables but certain amplifiers have a balanced out so you need a balanced termination. Examples are the RSA Lightning, SR-71B or certain amps by ALO and iBasso to name three.

I think OCC silver cables and a balanced amp pair perfectly with the 846 but you are looking at least $700 in additional cost.

 

Sorry to drag this subject out again, but I am having issues understanding the advantage of using a balanced cable with the SE846's. For balanced cables to work properly both ends must have balanced connections. The 'receiving end (in this case the IEMs, should subtract the cold signal from the hot and create a signal that is twice as strong without a lot of the noise

 

Signal inside IEM = (Signal + NoiseFromCable) - (-Signal+NoiseFromCable) = Signal + NoiseFromCable + Signal - NoseFromCable = 2xSignal

 

My issue is that if the SE846's don't have balanced input, then how does the maths above work with them - there is nowhere to feed in the cold signal to them is there? If I am wrong does a balanced cable improve the sound for SE846s?

 

The reason I ask is that I have an AK240 and SE846 combo and would love to think that I can improve the sound even more by using balanced cables - but I need to understand the science first!

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Balanced cable working or not is contrioversial, so do your homework if you want to be better informed.  Third party cable makers will make a balanced cable, and connectors for their balanced device.  For example, RSA and Ibasso both have different types of connectors for balanced amps.

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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Balanced cable working or not is contrioversial, so do your homework if you want to be better informed.  Third party cable makers will make a balanced cable, and connectors for their balanced device.  For example, RSA and Ibasso both have different types of connectors for balanced amps.

 

Hi SilverEars,

 

Thank you for your constructive comments. I have done, and am doing my homework - and I believe Head-Fi is a good source of information

 

1) There is no controversy in the science of balanced cables. They work very well and are used throughout the music industry.

2) You can buy 'balanced' cables for the SE846 - these plug into the balance OUTPUT of an amp that supports it.

3) As far as I am aware - the SE846's do not have balanced INPUT.

4) Therefore how do the SE846's work with a balanced signal

 

A particular example. The TWag V3 cable for Shure IEMs is available

 

http://www.whiplashaudio.com/new-twag-v3-shure-iem-cable.html

 

You can purchase this with a balanced 2.5mm TRRS terminator. This is a 4-pin balanced connection compatible with DAPs like the AK240. The output is +R, -R, +L, -L - there is not ground.

 

How does a cable with this terminator work for the SE846's? As far as I am aware they require GND,+R,+L.

 

How's that for doing my homework!

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3) As far as I am aware - the SE846's do not have balanced INPUT.

 

Each side need + and -  

 

There are L and R.  Each can be driven with a separate amp(balanced).  Typical connector is same ground for both L and R(not balanced).  So, ask yourself if it does or does not have balanced input, your confusion lies there.

post #1485 of 8391

Piercer, I am very interested in the answer to this too! I ordered the ak240 with SE846's as well and mine should be in tomorrow! I think that this would be great question for the customer service section for the people that make these custom cables for the SE846. Specifically persons like Drew from Moon Audio.Right now, it seems that this is like making a new connection for something that wasn't intended for in the 1st place. SilverEars if I am understanding Piercer's question correctly this has nothing to do with amps just a the mechanics behind a balanced cable from the IEM (SE846) to the balanced port of a DAP (AK240)

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