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post #646 of 1895
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Originally Posted by davidmolliere View Post
 

 

Oops sorry I skipped that part of the (long) thread, nice to read those inputs that I missed as it gives me great feedback!

This topic might need a thread of its own over time :)

 

Funny I had the exact same setup as Truckdriver (Note 3 and DragonFly) to begin with, and as on the go setup thanks to headfiers I went for the Touch 5G and it's a really big improvement over the Note3 in terms of dynamic range and detail, what I do lack is that touch of warmth the Note3's woflson brings. Maybe I'll try the white filter with the Note3 again just for fun. I am waiting on a FiiO E18, that should be interresting.

 

I am so smitten with the new world the SE846 opens that I'll consider having an headphone amp to use @home (that plus my Pandora Hope VI is 8ohm so I guess there is some mutualizing that can be done). Everyone speaks highly of the RSA Protector being a great match, I am still intimidated by all the balanced amp + specific cable thing but I fell down the rabbit hole there who knows, I might make the jump! In the meantime I am just dazzed by the jump from the PFE232 :) All this time buying incremental improvements, I should have gone straight up TOTL in the end less costly than trying a bunch of mid tier!


A good single-ended amp that would have the qualities of the Protector/Lightning for portable use would be the Shadow. FWIW, I love mine, and until I someday get to hear a balanced setup, see no need personally to switch to balanced.

post #647 of 1895
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Originally Posted by revolutionz View Post
 


A good single-ended amp that would have the qualities of the Protector/Lightning for portable use would be the Shadow. FWIW, I love mine, and until I someday get to hear a balanced setup, see no need personally to switch to balanced.

IMO there's no real point to a balanced setup unless you have really long cable lengths. 

post #648 of 1895
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Thanks for the clarification. One speculation to note, based upon Shure's patent applications (yes I am an attorney and was bored at work so I went on the Patent Trademark Office's website) I believe the SE846 is using Shure's own BAs not ones manufactured by either Knowles or Sonion. Also, the Shure logo is laser etched on the BAs.

Lastly, the 846 is not using the acoustical screens like those found on the 535. The 846 nozzle has an acoustical filter running the length of the nozzle. So similar concept but different implementation.

If you look inside the nozzle you can actually see that this is indeed the case. It's filled with this foam stuff all the way. 

post #649 of 1895
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Yeah, he probably meant maximum. And if he didn't, he should have. ;)

Yeah that's what I meant there. 

post #650 of 1895
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Originally Posted by tninety View Post

IMO there's no real point to a balanced setup unless you have really long cable lengths. 
Also worth noting balanced amps have twice the output impedance of similar circuit ran SE so it's good investigating circuit basic spec before taking the plunge.
post #651 of 1895
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Flash676...you still out there?  The in coherence is insustainable.......please help out.


I find them coherent enough.  Unfortunately I have not yet had an opportunity to listen to the AKG K3003.

post #652 of 1895
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

...of the wrong Shure IEM.

 

Tracked down the graph from the Shure 846 presentation...

 

 

And the raw response from HeadRoom...

 

post #653 of 1895
My poor little balanced amp is in the corner crying now because nobody loves it.

In all seriousness, if you have not had a chance to listen to a balanced amp you honestly do not know what you are missing. I respectfully disagree that a single ended amp like the Shadow presents the sound like the Lightning or Protector. I could ramble on about all of the wonderful attributes of a balanced set up but unless you have had a chance to really listen to one I will not try to convince you otherwise.

Back to discussion of the one of the best UIEM...
Edited by spook76 - 1/4/14 at 6:27am
post #654 of 1895
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While I agree the iPod touch 5th is an excellent DAP, I have said before the 846 like the 535 before it scales up beautifully. Pairing it with a balanced amp really makes the 846 sing. Right now I am using the RSA Protector but I just ordered the RSA f-35 Lighting on Monday and I cannot wait to hear the combination.
Omg I'm so jealous lol I want to try the Protector so bad. The balanced.. I have the the alo continatel v3 and absoululty love this amp.. The only this that sucks is its not balanced.. I've been at this hobby for just shy of two years.. I already have a very nice collection of iems a really nice amp.. A couple different ipod classic. 7th and 5.5 video.. And just bought the hifiman 601 slim.. Which is fastly becoming my favourite dap that I own anyways.. Anyways if I knew then what I know now. I would most definitely had put my money into a balanced amp as you know these things ain't cheap by all means.. How does the Protector sound with the 535's? Also with the w4r if your firmiller.. Thank you in advance
post #655 of 1895
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Omg I'm so jealous lol I want to try the Protector so bad. The balanced.. I have the the alo continatel v3 and absoululty love this amp.. The only this that sucks is its not balanced.. I've been at this hobby for just shy of two years.. I already have a very nice collection of iems a really nice amp.. A couple different ipod classic. 7th and 5.5 video.. And just bought the hifiman 601 slim.. Which is fastly becoming my favourite dap that I own anyways.. Anyways if I knew then what I know now. I would most definitely had put my money into a balanced amp as you know these things ain't cheap by all means.. How does the Protector sound with the 535's? Also with the w4r if your firmiller.. Thank you in advance

+1 i want to know how does it sound with se535 

post #656 of 1895
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Originally Posted by pacman46 View Post

Omg I'm so jealous lol I want to try the Protector so bad. The balanced.. I have the the alo continatel v3 and absoululty love this amp.. The only this that sucks is its not balanced.. I've been at this hobby for just shy of two years.. I already have a very nice collection of iems a really nice amp.. A couple different ipod classic. 7th and 5.5 video.. And just bought the hifiman 601 slim.. Which is fastly becoming my favourite dap that I own anyways.. Anyways if I knew then what I know now. I would most definitely had put my money into a balanced amp as you know these things ain't cheap by all means.. How does the Protector sound with the 535's? Also with the w4r if your firmiller.. Thank you in advance



The comparison is very similar with both the SE535 and the Westone 4r both of which I used to own.

First the soundstage, close your eyes when listening and while both IEMs sound out of your ears the soundstage is not quite merged from right to left. With the Protector that gap is bridged. The Protector's expanded soundstage reaches around your head and seemly behind you as well. It truly is surround sound.

Second, because of the balanced or bridged amp set up even with sensitive IEMs it is dead quiet, I mean black hole quiet with no background hiss.

Third, unlike the SR-71B, Lightning or Intruder balanced amp from RSA, the Protector has a warm, tube like sound. The lows and mids sound incredibly lush with either the 535 or W4r but make no mistake it does flavor the sound. You may be turned off by this but this is where is pairs beautifully with both the 535 or 4r. As it gives both IEMs a very musical sound. It is for this reason I bought the Lightning to pair with my 846 because while the 535 or 4r benefited from the added lushness, the 846 with the blue filters already has it. The Lightning has a more neutral sound compared to the Protector with similar soundstage.

I hope this helps and feel free to PM me if you have any further questions. I may be interested in selling my Protector for $250 so PM if you are interested in buying as well.
post #657 of 1895

With the RSA Protector,  for a real balanced output (via the 4 pin connector),  do i need a new cable with the rsa cinnector?

 

If i want to use the supplied cable. Is there an adapter from rsa male to 1/8 se connector? Can such a setup improves SQ?

 

Thanks

post #658 of 1895
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Originally Posted by zolom View Post

With the RSA Protector,  for a real balanced output (via the 4 pin connector),  do i need a new cable with the rsa cinnector?

If i want to use the supplied cable. Is there an adapter from rsa male to 1/8 se connector? Can such a setup improves SQ?

Thanks

Yes, you need a cable with a RSA/Kubiconn four pin connector. You cannot use an adapter from 3.5mm single end to balanced as it may overload and burn out the amplifier. Ray Samuels specifically warns against doing that and states it would void the lifetime warranty.

Ted Allen at Headphone Lounge can make a great upgraded balanced cable (OCC silver plated copper or copper) for about $90 within a week.
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Here is a snap of my balanced OCC silver cables from Headphone Lounge.
post #660 of 1895
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Here is a snap of my balanced OCC silver cables from Headphone Lounge.

 

Looks nice, how does it improve the sound compare to the stock cable?

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