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post #406 of 1186
That's true. The bass on the Momentum sounds boomier so that may make it sound like it's bassier than it would actually measure.
post #407 of 1186
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post

That's true. The bass on the Momentum sounds boomier so that may make it sound like it's bassier than it would actually measure.

 

Exactly :)

post #408 of 1186

Are the M200 bass heavy?

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As I write this I am listening to the M200s directly out of my iPhone 5 (Death Cab For Cutie "I Will Possess Your Heart" is playing).  The M200s are not bass heavy to my ears but close to it.  I've only owned them for a week.  They probably have only two hours on them.  Besides the M200s, I have the Heir Audio 4ai, Westone 4R and the Westone UM3X.  The M200s have the most bass out of the bunch.  Still I wouldn't say the M200s are bass heavy.  The bass doesn't take away from the mids and highs.  There hasn't been a song I heard yet that has made me want to use the Bass Reducer setting on the EQ.  Worth mentioning is the fact the M200s are not very comfortable due to their large size.  I have to the use the smallest pair of tips to get a proper seal.  Despite the fit issue, so far I really like the M200s.  The sound signature is very clear and distinct throughout the frequency spectrum for the music genres I primarily listen to, especially indie rock.

 

IEM's I had that I returned or sold because they were too bass heavy were the Bowers & Wilkens C5, Sennheiser I80, and the Audeo PFE 232.  My main issue with the PFE 232 was the midrange sounding too recessed.  

post #410 of 1186
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Originally Posted by Dominus View Post

Are the M200 bass heavy?

With time, the bass tends to be a little less present. But it cannot be said that these IEMs are bass shy... If you want the bass to be better controlled, you need an amp.
post #411 of 1186

The M500s are so darn good I'm considering trying the M200s out in the future, I could use an in-ear.

post #412 of 1186

Yes, they are. If I wasn't satisfied with the Ety ER4S and HF-3s, I know I'd be going for the M200. 

post #413 of 1186
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Originally Posted by Dominus View Post
 

Are the M200 bass heavy?

 

Yes. I've been saying so since I picked up my first pair. (Of two - I did the exchange because. I never got to hear them side-by-side but the FR is definitely tilted to the bass.

 

I'm not the only one who thinks so: http://www.whathifi.com/review/m200

 

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With time, the bass tends to be a little less present. But it cannot be said that these IEMs are bass shy... If you want the bass to be better controlled, you need an amp.

 

No, an amp won't change things, unless it has an EQ in front of it. Sorry.

 

I know the head-fi mantra is "buy more stuff. More more more more more more MORE!" but let's have some basic understanding of the physics of sound reproduction, please!

post #414 of 1186
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

M200 is much more refined than the w4 and ie-8. Ie-8 has more bass quantity but m200's bass far superior quality. M200 beats both of them.

can you compare the m200 with the asg-1.3s? currently looking to buy one of them. thanks!

post #415 of 1186
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No, an amp won't change things, unless it has an EQ in front of it. Sorry.

I know the head-fi mantra is "buy more stuff. More more more more more more MORE!" but let's have some basic understanding of the physics of sound reproduction, please!

I think that we have different opinions.
For me, the M200 are more bassy than the Etys ER4S but less than the JVC HA-FX700.
With the M200, I will probably buy less stuff in the future as I am very happy with them.
post #416 of 1186
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Originally Posted by denis View Post


With time, the bass tends to be a little less present. But it cannot be said that these IEMs are bass shy... If you want the bass to be better controlled, you need an amp.

 

 

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Originally Posted by DS21 View Post
 

 

Yes. I've been saying so since I picked up my first pair. (Of two - I did the exchange because. I never got to hear them side-by-side but the FR is definitely tilted to the bass.

 

I'm not the only one who thinks so: http://www.whathifi.com/review/m200

 

 

No, an amp won't change things, unless it has an EQ in front of it. Sorry.

 

I know the head-fi mantra is "buy more stuff. More more more more more more MORE!" but let's have some basic understanding of the physics of sound reproduction, please!

 

 

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Originally Posted by denis View Post


I think that we have different opinions.
For me, the M200 are more bassy than the Etys ER4S but less than the JVC HA-FX700.
With the M200, I will probably buy less stuff in the future as I am very happy with them.

 

I agree with denis

Bass becomes little less present after burn-in. 

And adding an amp/DAC is night and day difference if you dont have a good source. My new laptop can't even power the M200 properly even at max volume due to the ridiculous EU hearing safety restriction on the M200 and adding a proper amp/DAC simply brings out its true potential

post #417 of 1186
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Originally Posted by wallaby1170 View Post
 

As I write this I am listening to the M200s directly out of my iPhone 5 (Death Cab For Cutie "I Will Possess Your Heart" is playing).  The M200s are not bass heavy to my ears but close to it.  I've only owned them for a week.  They probably have only two hours on them.  Besides the M200s, I have the Heir Audio 4ai, Westone 4R and the Westone UM3X.  The M200s have the most bass out of the bunch.  Still I wouldn't say the M200s are bass heavy.  The bass doesn't take away from the mids and highs.  There hasn't been a song I heard yet that has made me want to use the Bass Reducer setting on the EQ.  Worth mentioning is the fact the M200s are not very comfortable due to their large size.  I have to the use the smallest pair of tips to get a proper seal.  Despite the fit issue, so far I really like the M200s.  The sound signature is very clear and distinct throughout the frequency spectrum for the music genres I primarily listen to, especially indie rock.

 

IEM's I had that I returned or sold because they were too bass heavy were the Bowers & Wilkens C5, Sennheiser I80, and the Audeo PFE 232.  My main issue with the PFE 232 was the midrange sounding too recessed.  

 

And what was your main issue with the IE80?

post #418 of 1186

My main issue with the IE80 was the bass, way too much even on the lowest setting.  

post #419 of 1186
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post
 

Negative finding on cardas model 1: 

Sadly the driver flexes. This occurs when I try to insert the IEM deeper in my ear while the music is playing. I have learned that if I was to hold the hole at the back of the ear pieces the flexing would not occur but it is a little concerning as  I had two dynamic IEM that died a while after I heard their driver flex. 

 

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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post
 

Sadly as I predicted the left driver that was flexing stopped working. 

 

Driver flex does kill dynamic drivers as noted by findings on Cardas EM5813

 

My M200 replacement is here and few hours of using them later there's a noticeable difference between this and my original pair:

- The clicky driver flex is much less present on this than my original pair using stock tips even when I moved my jaw a lot

- It actually sounds decent now at max volume out of my laptop without amp/DAC. It still scales well with an amp/DAC. Previously my original pair sounded like crap on its own. My other IEMs sounded fine straight out of my laptop on their own.

 

Hopefully my original pair was faulty to begin with, not killed by driver flex


Edited by fnkcow - 9/17/13 at 10:35pm
post #420 of 1186
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Originally Posted by fnkcow View Post


Driver flex does kill dynamic drivers as noted by findings on Cardas EM5813

My M200 replacement is here and few hours of using them later there's a noticeable difference between this and my original pair:
- The clicky driver flex is much less present on this than my original pair using stock tips even when I moved my jaw a lot
- It actually sounds decent now at max volume out of my laptop without amp/DAC. It still scales well with an amp/DAC. Previously my original pair sounded like crap on its own. My other IEMs sounded fine straight out of my laptop on their own.

Hopefully my original pair was faulty to begin with, not killed by driver flex

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