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post #391 of 911
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Originally Posted by CantScareMe View Post
 

I find it pretty sad how these threads work. You guys are saying that it's the best portable headphone ever, and anyone saying anything below that gets flamed. I fully believe there's a dozen or so users who think the same as I do, or think less of the KEF, but can't be bothered to share their views because of all the compulsory arguing that will follow. I've done the same with other headphones, remaining tight lipped about a few 'headfi' favourite headphones that I own now where I think they sound rubbish, which won't go down well on these forums. Better to say nothing.

 

It is public record I had the good fortune to weekend home demo the Momentum and KEF M500, had no pressure to buy and made an independent purchase decision at the end of it. I have zero need to justify any purchase as I maximise every opportunity to demo prior to buying, as I would advise any person.

 

All of the above is irrelevant. My issue with your post was the inference. You have to appreciate such a statement has a very powerful and deliberate inference, even if it is unintentional on your part. To publicly correct: there are a lot more than merely two dealers of KEF M500 in London. Heck pretty much every independent hi-fi dealer has them in nationwide.

 

The opinion of two dealers out of many that prefer another headphone? Fine. The opinion of the "only two dealers in London" that prefer another headphone? The second is not a  factually correct statement as there are tens of dealers in London. There is a huge contextual difference between the two statements. Most people on Head-Fi do not have the opportunity to demo. Please take care with your posts. I would have said the same thing if your post was about the Momentum, which I think is a very credible headphone.

post #392 of 911
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post
 

 

The LCD-2 has neutral bass. Not elevated but certainly not lacking either. It's impactful and extends very low but it's *very* tight, pretty much zero boominess. And very well textured. The M500 has similar levels of bass, perhaps a touch more. It's not quite as tight and textured but still excellent, and better than most closed headphones out there. Depth is also excellent. In the end, both have satisfying, natural bass that never bleeds into the mids. 

 
What I find amazing also is the amount of sub-bass that comes out to play when called for. Very cool.
post #393 of 911
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post
 

 

It is public record I had the good fortune to weekend home demo the Momentum and KEF M500, had no pressure to buy and made an independent purchase decision at the end of it. I have zero need to justify any purchase as I maximise every opportunity to demo prior to buying, as I would advise any person.

 

All of the above is irrelevant. My issue with your post was the inference. You have to appreciate such a statement has a very powerful and deliberate inference, even if it is unintentional on your part. To publicly correct: there are a lot more than merely two dealers of KEF M500 in London. Heck pretty much every independent hi-fi dealer has them in nationwide.

 

The opinion of two dealers out of many that prefer another headphone? Fine. The opinion of the "only two dealers in London" that prefer another headphone? The second is not a  factually correct statement as there are tens of dealers in London. There is a huge contextual difference between the two statements. Most people on Head-Fi do not have the opportunity to demo. Please take care with your posts. I would have said the same thing if your post was about the Momentum, which I think is a very credible headphone.

 

 

In central London I could only find two stores that had them for demoing - Superfi and Sevenoaks Sound&Vision (Both near Kings Cross).

Do you know of any more?

 

It's a portable headphone. It is meant to be used portably. I had a good portable player (samsung sgs voodoo sound - indistinguishable sound IMO to the colorfly C3). Why no one cared to ask what my source was, I have no idea. At the store I was comparing a run in senn momentum and KEF M500 side by side, meaning that I have no reason to be influenced by the salesperson. Why does it matter what they think - that's why in that post I included it under 'p.s.' It isn't significant.

 

My point still stands uncontested - How come I managed to genuinely offend a dozen of you guys because my review wasn't 100% positive, though very close?

Sad really.   

post #394 of 911
With respect but please take a step back and stop applying your pre-determined conclusion. Try reading my post again. It is not about the headphone. It is the way you tried to represent the only dealers in town prefer another model. It is incredibly misleading. Go on the KEF website and type in London. The distribution network speaks for itself. Just because you only found two shops does not mean the world stops there. Come on man.
post #395 of 911
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

Go on the KEF website and type in London. The distribution network speaks for itself. Just because you only found two shops does not mean the world stops there. Come on man.

 

Please try yourself.

 

 

 

You will find the number of KEF retailers that stock the 'M' series of products to be only two in central London (sevenoaks have two stores, superfi have one). The nearest store after that is at hendon/wembley. 

post #396 of 911

You guys may wanna take this offline.

post #397 of 911

After a week of having used the M500s my opinion is that they are fantastic and the best portable headphone I've heard by a significant margin. However, they are not without their flaws. 

Firstly, I just can't get quite friendly with that treble. Certainly no Ultrasone-**** going on here (FAR from it) and the treble is very clean, but it has a slightly hot and unnatural temper to it. It's not excessive by any means, but I just can't shake the feel that they are just a little forced and shouty in the highs. This is especially noticable in the upper mids/lower treble when listening to some female vocal. 

They don't strike me as being bright in balance though, I feel that in terms of presence the treble is quite neutral. Me personally, I like a slightly more laid-back treble in most cases, but I'm fine with the treble balance on offer here.

Otherwise, in terms of sonics, I think they're brilliant. I can nitpick at the bass not being quite as controlled as on my LCD-2s and the soundstage not being as well defined as a great, open-backed, full size headphone but what's the point really. Bass is excellent and soundstage wise they are the most impressive on-ear I've tried by far.

And those mids.. On mids alone, these are no worse than some great open-backed full-size $1000 headphones I've heard. Heck, the core of the midrange is very similar to my LCD-2, as I have stated earlier. The upper and lower mids are a little different, but the mid region where for example most female vocals hang around is, to my ears, very similar to the Audeze - meaning fantastic!


Moving away from the sound quality, I do have issues with comfort and isolation. These are not sensitive sound-wise to where you position them on the ears but they are so annoyingly sensitive (to me, atleast) about where to place them in order for them to remain comfortable for long listening sessions. Just a few times I've managed to get the fit just right, but most of the times my ears start to hurt after an hour and I'm forced to put them down. 

 

And isolation? My desktop is next to a window and I usually have my window open. With music playing on medium volume, I can hear the wind blowing outside if it's a fairly windy day. Leakage though, is minimal and actually less than the Momentum. 


Edited by Lan647 - 9/8/13 at 5:46am
post #398 of 911
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Originally Posted by fnkcow View Post
 

I've checked and swapped all my sources and interconnects and compared with other IEMs, the 10mm LF dyamic driver on the left side of my M200 is no longer working. I've used the Sensaphonics Audio Seal Test and it's clear to me there's no bass at all on my left side. Just had it for less than 2 weeks. No I didn't abuse it. I've other IEMs that still work fine for quite a number of years till now. I'm very sad frown.gif

I'm now in a dilemma whether to replace it or refund it. I'm very happy with the SQ, and good thing I did choose carefully to make sure I can return it, but it's only been with me for less than 2 weeks.. I'm afraid that it'll die on me again if I were to replace it..

 

Crap! I think the same exact thing just happened to me starting a few minutes ago (left side too, coincidentally perhaps). I've had mine for about 2 weeks as well. I was wondering if the driver flex was ever going to cause issues, and I think it may have now. :(

 

I'm in the same boat as you where I am very happy with the sound quality but I'm not confident that any replacement won't have the same issue in the future.

 

I wonder if ours could just be from the same bad batch and if the issue isn't actually correlated with driver flex.


Edited by PeterDLai - 9/8/13 at 4:34pm
post #399 of 911
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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post
 

 

Crap! I think the same exact thing just happened to me starting a few minutes ago (left side too, coincidentally perhaps). I've had mine for about 2 weeks as well. I was wondering if the driver flex was ever going to cause issues, and I think it may have now. :(

 

I'm in the same boat as you where I am very happy with the sound quality but I'm not confident that any replacement won't have the same issue in the future.

 

I wonder if ours could just be from the same bad batch and if the issue isn't actually correlated with driver flex.

 

Bummer! And I thought it's a one-off thing. I have my replacement on the way to me soon

Hopefully it's just a bad batch, otherwise driver flex killing the M200 or piss-poor quality control ain't going to impress anyone at all, what a bad name that'll make for KEF's first foray into IEMs 


Edited by fnkcow - 9/8/13 at 8:01pm
post #400 of 911
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post
 

After a week of having used the M500s my opinion is that they are fantastic and the best portable headphone I've heard by a significant margin. However, they are not without their flaws. 

Firstly, I just can't get quite friendly with that treble. Certainly no Ultrasone-**** going on here (FAR from it) and the treble is very clean, but it has a slightly hot and unnatural temper to it. It's not excessive by any means, but I just can't shake the feel that they are just a little forced and shouty in the highs. This is especially noticable in the upper mids/lower treble when listening to some female vocal. 

They don't strike me as being bright in balance though, I feel that in terms of presence the treble is quite neutral. Me personally, I like a slightly more laid-back treble in most cases, but I'm fine with the treble balance on offer here.

Otherwise, in terms of sonics, I think they're brilliant. I can nitpick at the bass not being quite as controlled as on my LCD-2s and the soundstage not being as well defined as a great, open-backed, full size headphone but what's the point really. Bass is excellent and soundstage wise they are the most impressive on-ear I've tried by far.

And those mids.. On mids alone, these are no worse than some great open-backed full-size $1000 headphones I've heard. Heck, the core of the midrange is very similar to my LCD-2, as I have stated earlier. The upper and lower mids are a little different, but the mid region where for example most female vocals hang around is, to my ears, very similar to the Audeze - meaning fantastic!


Moving away from the sound quality, I do have issues with comfort and isolation. These are not sensitive sound-wise to where you position them on the ears but they are so annoyingly sensitive (to me, atleast) about where to place them in order for them to remain comfortable for long listening sessions. Just a few times I've managed to get the fit just right, but most of the times my ears start to hurt after an hour and I'm forced to put them down. 

 

And isolation? My desktop is next to a window and I usually have my window open. With music playing on medium volume, I can hear the wind blowing outside if it's a fairly windy day. Leakage though, is minimal and actually less than the Momentum. 

 

 

Thanks for posting those impressions Lan647! It's great to know that there's a good reason why I'm loving the M500's so much :)

 

As far as comfort goes, it's too bad that they start bugging you after an hour. I guess I'm lucky in that I can wear them for extended periods comfortably (as long as I'm not hot, in which case I can't wear any headphones).

post #401 of 911

My full review is now up on the product page!

post #402 of 911
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post
 

My full review is now up on the product page!

 

 

Very nice!

 

In the "bass" section, you wrote:

 

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If you seek a natural sound but with slightly more emphasis on the bass, then I highly recommend the Momentum. Highly.

 

Did you mean M500's?

post #403 of 911
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

 

Very nice!

 

In the "bass" section, you wrote:

 

 

Did you mean M500's?

 

Nope I meant the Momentum. Glad you liked it! :)

post #404 of 911
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post
 

 

Nope I meant the Momentum. Glad you liked it! :)

 

Yep, Momentum would have more bass emphasis than the M500, although some maybe consider it more than "slightly"

post #405 of 911
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post
 

 

Yep, Momentum would have more bass emphasis than the M500, although some maybe consider it more than "slightly"

 

I don't consider it to be a huge leap quantity wise personally, but the bass of the M500 has better control also which amplifies the impression of more bass on the Momentum. :)

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