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post #181 of 1704
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Pre Order are closed ?

 

 

yes, but you still have chance to buy one but you will need to pay more money.

post #182 of 1704

Ok I'll wait for the official sales thanks

post #183 of 1704

Anyone thinking of pairing it with MUSES op-am ?


Edited by amature101 - 9/13/13 at 7:41pm
post #184 of 1704
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Anyone thinking of pairing it with MUSES op-am ?

 

 I already have all the MUSES (01/02/8820/8920) waiting. :D

post #185 of 1704
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 I already have all the MUSES (01/02/8820/8920) waiting. biggrin.gif

i am a newbie, care to supply a little more info?
post #186 of 1704
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i am a newbie, care to supply a little more info?

 

Well, there are a lot of opamp out there but only a few are regarded as the best sounding (*debatable in some case, but let's make it simple and assume we have some consensus here). The MUSES series, or at least the MUSES01 and MUSES02, are marketed by JRC as the top-of-the-line audio opamp. The MUSES8820 and 8920 are marketed as the mass-production versions that are not as good as the 01 and 02, but still above average. Personally I'll agree the 01 and 02 are indeed excellent sounding. The 8820 and 8920 are however pretty normal, no better or worst than the more common OPA2134 or OPA2227.

 

The opamp included with the E12DIY are also highly regarded as well. Now you might wonder why FiiO doesn't include MUSES01 or 02? Well, the reason I think is simple. Because those two are one of the most expensive opamp around, costing $50 each, not to mention very hard to find (*authorized retailer requires minimum order of 100 chip, per order!).

 

Besides MUSES, I think another opamp on my must-try list is the OPA627.

post #187 of 1704

what the difference between MUSES 01 and 02? Which can give better bass?

post #188 of 1704
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Originally Posted by amature101 View Post
 

what the difference between MUSES 01 and 02? Which can give better bass?

 

They are based on two different internal design, to put it simple. Both are actually very neutral.

 

Anyway, changing opamp doesn't equal to EQ. Though they have different sound due to how they behave differently in the same circuit, most of them don't give you extra / lesser bass in quantity.

post #189 of 1704
ClieOS is right. I own a DAC with a MUSES01 opamp and it's stunning. The instrument separation and wide soundstage is exactly what I was looking for. That being said its neutral without being too analytical. I've never tried the MUSES02 but I suspect that it will not be boomy in the lower region like the MUSES01.
post #190 of 1704

Hi ClieOS

 

Thanks for the explanation. And now the magic question can you pm me where to buy ? 

thanks

post #191 of 1704
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Hi ClieOS

 

Thanks for the explanation. And now the magic question can you pm me where to buy ? 

thanks

 

Not that I don't want to help you, I just don't know a relatively inexpensive and reliable place I can recommend to you. The MUSES I have are all from other amp, so technically I didn't buy them. The most reliable place to get real MUSES01/02 will be Audiotrak Korea, but they are pricing them $79 a pop + shipping. They make gears and use the opamp themselves, so there is no question of fake. Otherwise you have to risk it on eBay with the Chinese / HK seller, which could turn out to be fake.

 

Another fairly reliable way is to order them from Japan using forwarding service like Tenso.com + Rakuten. This is probably the cheapest since MUSES are cheaper in Japan.

post #192 of 1704
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

 

They are based on two different internal design, to put it simple. Both are actually very neutral.

 

Anyway, changing opamp doesn't equal to EQ. Though they have different sound due to how they behave differently in the same circuit, most of them don't give you extra / lesser bass in quantity.

If they does not change the EQ, what does they do?

 

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ClieOS is right. I own a DAC with a MUSES01 opamp and it's stunning. The instrument separation and wide soundstage is exactly what I was looking for. That being said its neutral without being too analytical. I've never tried the MUSES02 but I suspect that it will not be boomy in the lower region like the MUSES01.

What do you mean by "boomy in the lower region"

post #193 of 1704
is this limited edition version susceptible to emi like the fiio e12
post #194 of 1704
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Originally Posted by amature101 View Post
 

If they does not change the EQ, what does they do?

 

 

Think of opamp like an engine in a car. Better engine will give higher performance. EQ is more like a changeable drivetrain, allowing you to be either front-wheels drive, rear-wheels drive or 4 wheels drive, and sending more power to whichever wheel you want. In short. opamp is the heart of the circuit and affects the performance of the whole system. EQ on the other hand is about changing the quantity of frequency distribution, and doesn't necessary improves the quality.

 

 

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is this limited edition version susceptible to emi like the fiio e12

 

EMI has a lot to do with the opamp used. With roll-able configuration, it is likely we will see different EMI susceptibleness with different opamp.

post #195 of 1704
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What do you mean by "boomy in the lower region"

"Bass-heavy."
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