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post #91 of 268

Saw your detailed review on yt. Many fair points and a great job you did, Lach. You just seem not to like the V-shaped signature though and that's probably why the on ears aren't for you.

 

I'd definitely give a listen to the Amperiors if I got the chance. It's not very easy though as they are discontinued and I have to find a proud owner of them. :)


Edited by G_T_J - 8/31/13 at 4:27am
post #92 of 268
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Saw your detailed review on yt. Many fair points and a great job you did, Lach. You just seem not to like the V-shaped signature though and that's probably why the on ears aren't for you.

 

I'd definitely give a listen to the Amperiors if I got the chance. It's not very easy though as they are discontinued and I have to find a proud owner of them. :)

 

There are some V-shaped signatures I like and some I don't. I can see where Sennheiser was going with the On-Ear, I just didn't like it. I like my bass but I guess I just find mid suckout really hard to cope with. I have similar reservations about the Logitech UE 900 (even though that isn't as extreme). Oddly I like the JVC FXD80, and I think it is because even though it has a big hole in the mids it has enough mid-bass warmth for me. Same with the Audio Technica ES10 which has some weird things going on with the mids. So I can never tell if I truly dislike V-shapes or not.

 

Definitely a case of 'to each his/her own', but one thing I feel confident about is the durability of the Amperior, and I do feel better about paying for the Amperior when the earcups are actually made of a decent material... the Audio Technica ATH-ES700 is also a wonderful option in this pricerange!

post #93 of 268

I am yet to try the Amperior but I completely agree with the Brute Bass on the on-ear momentums. I have to consciously force myself to listen to listen to the mids and highs on this headphone which seem to be hiding in the soundstage ;-). My O2 really helped in making the On-ear Momentum slightly better but at the end this wasn't what I expected from Sennheiser. A complete review is on my blog. I can see that several HeadFi' ers like it, so it definitely is for bass fanatics and the looks, damn!.... pity this wasn't the one for me.

post #94 of 268

Fair enough Lach. UE's V-shape is indeed very unique whatever the model. I have not tried the UE 900 myself but I suspect they perform in a similar way to that of the TF 10s. I really enjoyed that V-shaped signature coming out of my TF 10's. I only had to sell them due to the fact I don't tend to listen to music outdoors that often any more. Under this prism I'm after an on-ear pair that will be mostly destined for indoor use but won't forbid use outside, on the plane, bus etc.

 

So, got down to the stores again this morning to re-try the on ear momentums. Yes, I'm seriously tempted to take the plunge after all. I have to say my initial impression has not changed. Still brilliant to my ears. This time I've tried them being driven by my Cowon D3 instead of the Nexus 4 that I only had with me the other day.

 

There were many other headsets around but I wanted to restrict my attention to the comparison between the on ear momentums, the full sized momentums, the B&W P3s, the B&W P5s and the Monster DNAs. I also tested Bose 0E2i but very briefly.They seemed to me good in clarity but very ''flat'' sounding and cheap/generic constructed so I didn't bother any more with them...

 

Having said those above, I came to the following conclusions: 

 
1) Both Momentum versions have similar sound signature to my ears. I know some of you might disagree (like you Lach) but I didn't see much of a difference except for the isolation thing which is about 30% better in the bigger sized momentums. I know you won't agree Lach but I could barely hear much of a difference except maybe from a slightly tighter bass on the bigger ones but, I repeat, just slightly tighter.
 
2) Both Momentum versions require more juice out from the music source compared to the other headphones I've tried. This was something easily noticeable when played same album/song at the same volume while changing headsets on the fly. The momentums -whatever the version- were performing really ''loud'' after the 45 out of 50 volume bar of my Cowon while both B&W were driven as powerful with about 5 bars remaining until my player's full volume capacity. The Monster DNAs were the least demanding in terms of power as they were nearly as loud as all the other headphones at the 35-38 out of 50 level! That's was a real surprise to me!
 
3)Both P3 & P5 are rather dark-ish and -excuse the phrase- very ''hollow'' sets for my liking. They sounded extremely pale, dull and depressing, especially when worn straight after the momentums. They are certainly not for me and my musical preferences. The highs are rolled off, distant and not adequately bright and defined IMO. It has to be said though that P5 perform overall significantly better than their little brother. Can't see really why some people have rated the P3s higher than P5s but that belongs to another topic and headphone discussion... 
 
4)Apart from the fact that the on ear momentums require more power in order to be driven in a noisy environment like the one this morning, the biggest drawback is sound isolation. They severely lack that feature and I would only rate them as acceptable or even below the bar in this field. In a shop with 6-7 people chatting in a distance of 3-4 meters from me and a shop assistant who was demonstrating the B&W Zeppelin just behind me, I could barely concentrate to my music even at 45/50 of the volume! Of course, today there was really A LOT of noise around and I suspect it's not / this doesn't have to be the normal situation. At any case, it would be interesting to see opinions from users that have used the on ears (or even the full sized) momentums inside the tube, on the plane, the city bus or just walking down the street.
 
5) Sound isolation in all the headsets I've tried today can be best described in a descending order like this one below: (I have omitted the Bose OE2i because, as said above, I gave them a very quick run and can't have a safe opinion. They do seem to isolate better than the on ear Momentums though). Full Sized Momentums > B&W P5s > Monster DNAs > B&W P3 = On Ear Momentums.
 
Obviously isolation is an issue and I'm very interested to see detailed reviews on this matter. Another major thing is ''loudness'' capability of these new on ear cans. I'm sure that one sitting back on their couch and listening to the on ear momentums, will be able to drive and enjoy them at low volumes and with no issues of external noises intruding. But what happens while being at noisy environments or simply on the go?
post #95 of 268

^ Don't worry about coming to different conclusions. Everyone's ears are different and it's not like I have a special pair of ears!

 

I used to own a pair of P5's and I really did not like them. The P5 felt congested and dull. I would take the On-Ear over the P5 easily basd on memory. However apparently they did make revisions to the foam of the earpads that improved the sound, so I don't know if I would feel the same way today.

 

The Momentum On-Ear is indeed oddly hard to drive! Something I forgot to mention. But I don't know if the On-Ear also tends to encourage you to increase the volume just to bring the recessed vocals up to a listenable volume.

 

If you buy them, you have made a good informed decision because you have quite clearly done your research and gone so far as to find them and listen to them. But if you have time to try the Amperior, I really encourage you to hold out and see if you cannot find a pair of those for a demo :) Or even, listen to a pair of HD25's which should be easy to find and then imagine the Amperior is a cleaner version.

 

Then there is the limited run Aluminium Edition HD25 which we should start to see availability of soon... 

post #96 of 268
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I am yet to try the Amperior but I completely agree with the Brute Bass on the on-ear momentums. I have to consciously force myself to listen to listen to the mids and highs on this headphone which seem to be hiding in the soundstage ;-). My O2 really helped in making the On-ear Momentum slightly better but at the end this wasn't what I expected from Sennheiser. A complete review is on my blog. I can see that several HeadFi' ers like it, so it definitely is for bass fanatics and the looks, damn!.... pity this wasn't the one for me.

 

Hey nice review bala and thanks for the embed :)

 

Might point out that is DJ Tiesto for AKG!

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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

Burn in or not, no one has ever claimed that burn in dramatically changes the basic signature of a headphone. If it did, they would probably burn it in in the factory since most people buy or return things based on first impression.

 

It's been very helpful to read your impressions as well as others' somewhat contrary opinions. My read from this thread is that opinions vary at least in part based on the type of music, so I ordered a pair of pistachio to listen for myself. I mostly listen to more laid back music, but I'll try it with some "energetic" music as well.

 

As for the question of burn-in, Sennheiser apparently chooses to suggest burn-in rather than doing it themselves. My guess is that it would be too costly or cause excessive delays to run all headphones for a few days before shipping.

 

From Sennheiser's Amperior product sheet:

 

Did you know?

Remember to let these headphones burn in – this will allow the headphones to relax into their sound signature.

post #98 of 268
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As for the question of burn-in, Sennheiser apparently chooses to suggest burn-in rather than doing it themselves. My guess is that it would be too costly or cause excessive delays to run all headphones for a few days before shipping.

 

It is wise for the manufacturers to suggest that a headphone needs burn in regardless of whether it needs it or not, since people take time to adjust to new headphones and they would rather people do that then bring it back to the store immediately if they don't like it at first. Burn in or not I do think extended listening periods are important.

post #99 of 268
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It is wise for the manufacturers to suggest that a headphone needs burn in regardless of whether it needs it or not, since people take time to adjust to new headphones and they would rather people do that then bring it back to the store immediately if they don't like it at first. Burn in or not I do think extended listening periods are important.

 

I have to disagree with you on that as a dishonest way for manufacturers to deceive owners into holding on to headphones longer. The important point relative to this discussion and your comment about no evidence that burn-in changes a headphone's signature is that Sennheiser, and perhaps others, explicitly state that burn-in does change a headphone's signature.

post #100 of 268
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Hey nice review bala and thanks for the embed :)

 

Might point out that is DJ Tiesto for AKG!

Thanks Lachlan, happy to include your review. My impressions are the same as yours. I am now looking forward to trying out the HD25 Aluminium edition ;-), hopefully to seeing it at a European headphone meet soon.


Edited by bala - 9/1/13 at 12:17pm
post #101 of 268
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I have to disagree with you on that as a dishonest way for manufacturers to deceive owners into holding on to headphones longer. The important point relative to this discussion and your comment about no evidence that burn-in changes a headphone's signature is that Sennheiser, and perhaps others, explicitly state that burn-in does change a headphone's signature.

 

The manufacturers say a lot of things, and some even believe what they say. For sure, the data published so far (what little there is) suggests that burn in does make some minor differences to the sound of a headphone.

 

But the changes don't seem in any way proportional to the kinds of claims people make about gear changing completely in character after 300 hours of pink noise, or other such comments. It seems much more likely to me that people are getting used to the new sound like a new pair of glasses.

 

It seems more a convenient fiction for manufacturers to insist on burn in rather than printing in small print "if you don't like these headphones just keep listening because the problem is in your brain". But it doesn't matter, because the effect is the same - over time, your opinion of the sound will change. Unless you have some specific incentive to hear something you otherwise wouldn't.

 

Something really telling: has anyone ever claimed that burn in makes a headphone WORSE? You would think that some headphones would somehow suffer or lose some special character due to some of the supposed effects of burn in. Yet claims of burn in are overwhelmingly positive. People just get used to their new gear and like it more. Nothing wrong with that.

 

Anyway, this is a topic that has been discussed to death, and not really appropriate for this thread. I would recommend anyone, regardless of whether they believe burn in or not, listen to any gear they buy over a week or two. It boggles the mind when I see stuff go up on the FS forum here because people listen to something for a few hours and decide they hate it enough to want to sell it. 

post #102 of 268
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... the changes don't seem in any way proportional to the kinds of claims people make about gear changing completely in character after 300 hours of pink noise, or other such comments. It seems much more likely to me that people are getting used to the new sound like a new pair of glasses.

 

Anyway, this is a topic that has been discussed to death, and not really appropriate for this thread.

 

You're certainly entitled to disagree with everyone who claims that burn-in does affect the sound of new headphones. I didn't bring this up. I was just responding to your claim that "no one has ever claimed that burn in dramatically changes the basic signature of a headphone." Apparently you were aware of these claims. You just don't believe them. And I brought up Sennheiser's own recommendation for burn-in. Let's just agree to disagree and drop this issue and get back to commenting on the Momentum On-Ear. I'll add my comments soon.

post #103 of 268
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You're certainly entitled to disagree with everyone who claims that burn-in does affect the sound of new headphones. I didn't bring this up. I was just responding to your claim that "no one has ever claimed that burn in dramatically changes the basic signature of a headphone." Apparently you were aware of these claims. You just don't believe them. And I brought up Sennheiser's own recommendation for burn-in. Let's just agree to disagree and drop this issue and get back to commenting on the Momentum On-Ear. I'll add my comments soon.

 

Fair enough. I have indeed contradicted myself. Look forward to your impressions :)

post #104 of 268

I believe in burn-in, but actually its your brain that needs to adjust to the sound of the headphone. Nothing much with the sound changes and drivers tough I believe it somehow.

post #105 of 268

Just got mine in pistachio. Very nice looking and much more comfortable than the big Momentum. I think I agree with most posters that there is a lot of bass. I couldn't wait to see how much, so I started with energetic music, but depending on what I'm listening to, the bass is between perfect to a bit overwhelming. I listened to Santana's Incident At Nashabur and it's just right. Even Everybody's Everything sounds right - maybe just a little too much bass - but I like it. Same song, if I switch from these to the HD598, comparatively it sounds like no bass at all. Now I'm listening to The Beatles She Came In Through The Bathroom Window and the bass is thumping uncomfortably. With Jason Mraz's Butterfly, it's intermittent between just right and slightly overdone. I feel like I may be rambling, but I guess it's like other's have said, it depends on the level and depth of the bass in the music. With something with little to no bass like Four Seasons' Summer, it just doesn't sound as refined - it's much more enjoyable with the HD598. So maybe this is a keeper for certain music and traveling.

 

I'm going to let them burn in and then see if the sound changes...

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