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post #61 of 96

Not sure you go by the list but I would be grateful to jump down to nr 2 in the EU so I can loan out my in-ears and get them back in time for the RE-600.

post #62 of 96
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NightAngelz View Post
 

Can you put all the impressions on the first page to make it easier to compare later on? Thanks :beerchug:

Done!

 

Currently Zida has them and will go back to the US once he's done. The schedule for EU is not planned yet but I will take your post into consideration @Sweden 


Edited by Inks - 10/9/13 at 11:26pm
post #63 of 96

edited


Edited by proedros - 11/9/13 at 2:29pm
post #64 of 96

Hello Ink, if I may, I'd like to join in on the tour. I only have 2 feedback... but I meet the other requirements (including not reading other impressions). I will be listing a full sized headphone on the classified sections along with Ebay soon, my E-bay feedback can be verified at over 900 positive.

If you have enough people on the US tour then I understand. Thanks!

post #65 of 96

I like your positivism. Why not go for it.

 

Any updates regarding the euro portion of the tour?

post #66 of 96

I still need to assemble my notes into a proper impressions writeup, but does anyone else have any thread-related updates?

post #67 of 96
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Zida View Post
 

I still need to assemble my notes into a proper impressions writeup, but does anyone else have any thread-related updates?

Thanks Zida. I am highly disappointed at least 3 users haven't posted anything....

 

The current pair needs replacement from Hifiman [typical poor build it seems], once that's settled it will go straight to Europe. Vrln has withdrawn, so only Poedros and Sweden are part of the EU tour.

 

 

Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
 

Hello Ink, if I may, I'd like to join in on the tour. I only have 2 feedback... but I meet the other requirements (including not reading other impressions). I will be listing a full sized headphone on the classified sections along with Ebay soon, my E-bay feedback can be verified at over 900 positive.

If you have enough people on the US tour then I understand. Thanks!

Sorry it's been closed a while ago.

post #68 of 96

bring it on :D

 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

 

The current pair needs replacement from Hifiman [typical poor build it seems], once that's settled it will go straight to Europe. Vrln has withdrawn, so only Poedros and Sweden are part of the EU tour.

 

post #69 of 96
I appreciate the acknowledgement ink. Interested in whatpeople think vs the re400
post #70 of 96

I'm interested in knowing what happened to the faulty pair. Did one channel just die?

post #71 of 96
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Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
 

I'm interested in knowing what happened to the faulty pair. Did one channel just die?

 

I've been notified by tour members that the right channel has started to go out on the RE600 when they bend the strain relief. Since I've bought them in the US, I'm trying to get a replacement pair before the tour continues to Europe. Have already contacted the dealer, currently waiting for his reply.

 

Oh, and I have to agree with Inks, the main purpose of this tour wasn't only to let people try the RE600, but also to gather listening impressions and comparisons between the RE400 and RE600. Many thanks to those who made the effort to write their impressions down and give something back to the community! :smile_phones: 

post #72 of 96

I'm VERY sorry for neglecting this write-up until tonight. Thanks to Monoglycer for reminding me to make this extremely overdue post tonight, and of course to INKS for organizing the tour and James for lending out his IEMs!

I really enjoyed the opportunity to sample these earphones in the comfort of my own home, and found the mod very interesting. I would like to replicate it for my own RE-400.

 

Impressions / Spoilers (Click to show)

Impressions

**Obvious disclaimer that the following is all my own personal observations and not necessarily what you, your friend, or your mother will hear when listening to these earphones.**

I'm just going to open this with my conclusion. I found the RE-600 to be extremely similar to the RE-400, and not worth the upgrade. I even preferred the modded RE-400 to the stock RE-600. There is obviously more to it than that, however...


Immediately after picking up these earphones from Monoglycer I went straight to the campus library and had a nice quiet sit-down with the RE-600. It has become obvious over the last couple of years that I am bothered by peaks in frequency response more than most people. Even more than most Head-fiers, I believe.

 

[Listening to Sweety and Shag by BATTLES] I instantly noted the clarity and smoothness in the RE-600 frequency response.  However I noted that their treble had been "softened" too much, to the point that drums sounded dampened. Switching back to the RE-400 restored that dampened treble region, but also reminded me of the harshness I have always disliked about them.  There is a peak in the RE-400 that to me makes loud gainy electric guitar TOO harsh and ultimately noisey. The RE-600 does not have that peak.


It was at this time I did some more back to back testing between the RE-400 and RE-600...

 At the time I thought the RE-600 had punchier and quicker bass and a wider soundstage, but I ultimately decided that I couldn't confirm that, and repeated comparisons made me lose that impression. I also made a note that listening to the RE-600 too loud on my phone caused the treble region to stress a bit like the RE-400. This could have been an issue of amping or just my ears... but either way I WAS listening too loud.

 

[Listening to Chocolate Citeh by Brownman Electryc Trio] (around the 2:00 minute mark) I found the RE-600s impressed with clarity and imaging, but after repeat comparison I found their improvements over the RE-400 to be slight at best. The same happened to what I perceived to be deeper bass response at around the 2:36 mark.

[Listening to Evil Twin by MODESELEKTOR] I intentionally turned up the volume a little for this comparison to match the tone of the song, and get some serious bass impact. I found RE-600 and RE-400 to perform similarly well on this track but the dampened treble region of the RE-600 helped to keep the music from getting cluttered after the 3:00 minute mark.

 

After a few more days of listening to the RE-600 fairly regularly I still failed to notice any significant improvement over the RE-400. I began to use my trusty SineGEN to pinpoint and compare frequency response peaks between the two IEMs.

--Both the RE-400 and RE-600 have a large peak near the 5khz point. The RE-400's peak is louder, however.

--Both the RE-400 and RE-600 have lesser peaks at around 9khz, however the RE-600's response is already dampened in this area so it's "peak" actually comes up to a normal volume.

--The RE-600 had one peak that the RE-400 didn't, at around 2khz.

 

Finally, Zida gets to the filters

I didn't spend much time with the filters because I honestly felt like I got to know them pretty quick. I didn't do any SineGEN analysis with them in place, but I do know that I liked them. A lot. They completely covered up what I consider to be the RE-400's biggest flaw, which is that treble peak I mentioned near the beginning that makes electric guitars too harsh. With the filters the RE-400 had the smoothness of the RE-600, without losing the tone of the drums. If I perceived any improved bass or soundstage it was likely just because of that cleared up peak allowing me to either listen louder or closer. Please tell me what you made these filters out of, James!

 

 

Once again thanks so much to James and Inks for making this happen. And sorry to Modular for not having anything to say about the filters you added. I remember trying them and liking them as well, but unfortunately my impressions of them were lost when I switched phones. That was actually the original reason for my delay in posting this, I hoped to be able to recovery my more detailed impressions including more details I discovered from SineGEN.

 

post #73 of 96
Thanks for the comparison Zida. I'm interested in these mods you speak of for the re400. Where can I find more info?
post #74 of 96

Better late than never... thanks for your impressions, Zida!

 

As for the filters, these have been provided by Inks / Rin and they refer to this paragraph in Rin's RE600 analysis:

 

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ON SECOND THOUGHT #6: If any of the RE-400 users out there want to experience the sound of RE-600 without having to pay the quadruple amount of money you've already spent, here's a little trick for you: Simply insert a sheet of microfiber cloth between RE-400's nozzle and the sleeves, and RE-400's sound shall become pretty similar to that of RE-600. The result can't be identical, but why not give a shot when the mod is totally reversible & free.

 

I remember Rin mentioning that an eyeglass cleaning cloth (or any other non-woven fabric) can be used for filtering, but I haven't seen what he included with the tour loaner.

post #75 of 96
I'll try that, thanks!
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