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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hi everyone !!!
 
I've been wandering on these forums for years but never registered... until now ! smile_phones.gif
Here's my problem : I'd like to buy new headphones, but I don't know which ones to choose that fit with my budget and my musical tastes.. and my special needs ! smily_headphones1.gif
 
What I'd like :
Full size headphones. I don't know why, I've always prefered big cans !
I don't want headphones on the ear, I want headphones over the ear !
I've seen that grado's would be excellent with my musical tastes, but they're too small for me.
Open or closed, doesn't matter to me. By the way I don't exactly know if closed or open is better for my music tastes !
I'll use them only at home.
I'll be using a recently bought Fiio E07K Andes, connected by USB to my computer.
FLAC for all, sometimes 320kbps.
I'd like to have a detailed soundstage.
I love being able to identify every note or chord being played on the guitar, feeling the drums, hear the singer with a high precision, and overall, everything should be well balanced, nothing should come over another.
 
What I currently own :
I have 2 Beyerdynamic, a DT770 (2x600ohms) and a DT150 (2x250ohms), I found them for a very interesting price. But these are old boys, I don't know when they were made but they're old, especiallty the DT770 (if any beyer expert reads me, mine is this one (but mine is in a MUCH better condition !) : http://www.muziktek.net/index.php?threads/beyerdynamic-dt-770-profesional-2x600-ohm-kulakl%C4%B1k-kelepir.44473/)
As I said, I bought a FiiO E07K. Before that, I was using an old (again !) stereo amp (not for headphones), Inkel AD2B   It worked quite well but the Fiio gave a new dimension to the sound, espically to the DT150 ! (is the 600 ohms of the DT770 to high ?)
Soundstage feels awesome on some tracks, but know I wonder if a decent pair of recent HP would do the job MUCH better tahn those old beyers...
 
My muscial tastes :
Mainly : rock, hard rock, rock'n'roll, punk rock (The Offspring, The Donnas, Blood Red Shoes, Danko Jones, GreenDay, Hole, White Stripes, Placebo, Sahara Hotnights, The Subways, Franz Ferdinand...)
Progressive rock, indie, oldies rock... (Genesis, Dire Straits, Elastica, Neil Young, QOTSA, supertramp...)
Also soft rock, folk rock (Amy MacDonald, KT Tunstall, Lex Land, Kate Nash...)
A few metal (Rammstein, Rob Zombie, SOAD, Kontrust, RATM)
And a very few electro, electro-rock.
And for french people who will read me : Plasticines, Renaud, Niagara, Matmatah, Lilly Wood and the Prick, Izia...
 
My budget :
150 euros (200 dollars).
If a pair really worth the raise, I can go to 200 euros (265 dollars) but I'd prefer to stay in my budget.
Identified Headphones until now (but I come here for advices on models I don't know ! beyersmile.png)
AKG K550 (140 euros)
Senn HD 598 (150€)
Brainwavz HM5 (150€)
AKG K272HD (120€)
AKG K271 MKII (143€)
AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-AD700 (125€) or A500X (159€)
 
If it's really worth the price :
Beyer Custom One Pro (193€)
Sony MDR 1R (176€)
Philips Fidelio L1 (158€)
Ultrasone HFI-580 (185€) or 780 (175€)
AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-AD900 (189€) or A500X (159€)
And even AKG K701 if it's REALLLLLY worth the price (225€)
 
That all, I know my case is quite hard !
 
Thanks in advance  for all ! darthsmile.gif
post #2 of 16
Thread Starter 
And I have to say that I feel more interested in K550 and custom one pro, but I might be in the wrong way given my musical tastes...

Any advices ?

Thanks ! :-)
post #3 of 16

I would recomend to consider NuForce HP-800. I've got them for review a couple of weeks ago and in my opinion they fit to the genres you mentioned. 

I do not think they are the best choice in 200$ price range, but I can ensure you'll not be disappointed. 

post #4 of 16
Hi,

Out of what you have listed, I'd not recommend the Audio Technicas listed for rock, nor the K701. They just don't sound good.
post #5 of 16
Hello!

I take AKG L550! All you need + the amp you have currently, will definately stack well with it. The K550 are big as well xD

Billson smily_headphones1.gif
post #6 of 16
K550's have a great sound. And, as regularly pointed out about them, a big soundstage. Definitely bigger than the DT770s. Almost as big a soundstage as an open headphone. But totally different kind of sound from the DT770s. The mids will be more forward, and bass is much closer to neutral. 140 euros would be a good price for them smily_headphones1.gif
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks for those first advices !!! smily_headphones1.gif

 

Ok, I'll consider the NuForce, even though I don't know if I'll be able to find them here (France).

 

And OK for the K550, this confirms my first ideas.

I have to check if I can try them in a shop around my town.

 

Any other advices on the other pairs I identified ?

post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by bitku58 View Post

Thanks for those first advices !!! smily_headphones1.gifAnd OK for the K550, this confirms my first ideas.
I have to check if I can try them in a shop around my town.

If you do, realize that the K550s are a finicky fit. You have to get a good seal or they will be all mid and highs (no bass). Some people have found they sound best when the headband is a little bit further forward than with other headphones. So be sure to experiment for a few minutes figuring out how to position them to get the best sound.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

If you do, realize that the K550s are a finicky fit. You have to get a good seal or they will be all mid and highs (no bass). Some people have found they sound best when the headband is a little bit further forward than with other headphones. So be sure to experiment for a few minutes figuring out how to position them to get the best sound.

I second this!

In case it does not fit well on you, the PSB M4U1 are really good as well!
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by bitku58 View Post

 

Ok, I'll consider the NuForce, even though I don't know if I'll be able to find them here (France).

 

 

No worries, it's easy to buy here in Poland, so in France it will be like a piece of cake :)

post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
I checked the website of a seller around here.

They don't have the K550 BUT they have the K551, for 20 euros less than the K550 !!!!

It seems to be a great deal but I want to be sure they sound exactly the same !

I'll go to try them tomorrow morning.
Edited by bitku58 - 7/26/13 at 9:59am
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 

I finally bought the K551 !!! smily_headphones1.gif

They had it, I tried it, and for 120 euros (160 US $) I definitely think it was an awesome deal.

 

First impressions compared to my DT 150 :

 

It goes less far in highs, but it's not bad, I've always found the DT150 were too high on this point.

Concerning the bass, I was surprised in the good way.

Some say the K551 has not much bass, I don't agree, it has more than the DT150 (which I found by the way, more bassy than my DT770 600ohms).

Soundstage is almost the same than on the DT 150, but becase of differences in highs and bass, the sound signature of each instrument is a bit different, but still veeeery nice.

The drums particularly take a new dimension, this is really impressive.

And guitars are still well placed.

Voices are quite the same so I think the mids are almost equal on the K551 and the DT150.

 

Concerning comfort, as I was used to the strong clamping of the DT150, I can only feel the K551 good.

The only bad point is the pressure on top of the head, but on that point Beyers and AKG are equal.

And yes, the cord is quite short.

Doesn't matter, I have an extension cord ! darthsmile.gif


Edited by bitku58 - 7/27/13 at 2:17am
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by bitku58 View Post

I finally bought the K551 !!! smily_headphones1.gif

They had it, I tried it, and for 120 euros (160 US $) I definitely think it was an awesome deal.

First impressions compared to my DT 150 :

It goes less far in highs, but it's not bad, I've always found the DT150 were too high on this point.
Concerning the bass, I was surprised in the good way.
Some say the K551 has not much bass, I don't agree, it has more than the DT150 (which I found by the way, more bassy than my DT770 600ohms).
Soundstage is almost the same than on the DT 150, but becase of differences in highs and bass, the sound signature of each instrument is a bit different, but still veeeery nice.
The drums
 particularly take a new dimension, this is really impressive.
And guitars are still well placed.
Voices are quite the same so I think the mids are almost equal on the K551 and the DT150.

Concerning comfort, as I was used to the strong clamping of the DT150, I can only feel the K551 good.
The only bad point is the pressure on top of the head, but on that point Beyers and AKG are equal.
And yes, the cord is quite short.
Doesn't matter, I have an extension cord ! darthsmile.gif

Glad you are happy with it! biggrin.gif

Indeed, it's a really nice headphone if you can archive good seal xD
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post


Glad you are happy with it! biggrin.gif

Indeed, it's a really nice headphone if you can archive good seal xD

 

Actually I have no problem with that !

Ear seals fit well around the ears, they're very big and comfortable, and isolation is very good - even better than the DT150 isolation IMHO. smily_headphones1.gif

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by bitku58 View Post

Actually I have no problem with that !
Ear seals fit well around the ears, they're very big and comfortable, and isolation is very good - even better than the DT150 isolation IMHO. smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks good! biggrin.gif
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