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post #811 of 10902
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

 

Wow - thank you for providing such a detailed and beautifully written response - I am grateful, and forever in your debt, even as I inculcate your understanding ("I am Borg").  That is the type of information - and the level of detail - I hoped for - even though I had no right to ever expect it ... Wonderful stuff - I'm sure it will aid more than just myself !  Well Done, and thank-you once again.

 

+1

 

After the footie I'm going to try and identify the tubes in my meager collection using the etched codes.  Thanks to everyone talking about tube history.  Keep it up!

post #812 of 10902
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

It depends on which OG's you are looking at - however all the OG's are also warm ... If you can get the "Halo Getter" OG's (from late 1960's) they are great and split the difference between the OG "A-Frames" (1970 onwards) and the Bugle Boys ... if you can get Bugle Boys with the large Halo "O Getter" from 1960 , do so - they are fantastic.  If you like treble and soundstaging  (I'm assuming you do due to the AKG headphones), then go for the earliest Bugle Boys you can get (Large "O getters from 1960 would be the best).  If it is just warmth you are after, even the 1970's A Frame OG's have that (with a little less detail).  If you can give more details about your preferences, I have all of those tubes and am only too willing to help you choose.

 

PS.  When I say "choose", I don't mean to sell you some of mine, I mean to help you choose which might best fit your needs.

 

Old post, but just wanted to say thanks for your advice.  After the first round I did end up with the 1967 OGs (when I read your comment I asked, and Mecedes Man very kindly substituted them for the 1961 BBs I'd ordered).  I really like the OGs.  But then I got the itch and asked him about those BBs.  They were gone, but at that moment he was prepping a pair 1961 Large 'O' getter BB Straight Man(s).  He let me bid on them and, once again very graciously, accepted the bid.  Gave them a DeoxIT soak yesterday and will roll them in soon.  Curious to compare them to the OGs.

 

Anyway, cheers, mate  :smile:

post #813 of 10902

If you are looking for an end-game tube for your Lyr, check out my listing in the For Sale Forum.  Mid 60's Philips made Valvo E88CC/6922 military issue NOS matched pair bought recently from TubeMuseum.  Mid-range like you've never heard.  Incredible deal for an ultra-rare matched pair.  Huge O-Getter, frame-grid construction.  No noise.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/692825/ultra-rare-nos-matched-pair-valvo-e88cc-6922-holy-grail-for-lyr

 

PM me.

 

****S O L D****


Edited by billerb1 - 11/30/13 at 6:43pm
post #814 of 10902
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Originally Posted by billerb1 View Post
 

If you are looking for an end-game tube for your Lyr, check out my listing in the For Sale Forum.  Mid 60's Philips made Valvo E88CC/6922 military issue NOS matched pair bought recently from TubeMuseum.  Mid-range like you've never heard.  Incredible deal for an ultra-rare matched pair.  Huge O-Getter, frame-grid construction.  No noise.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/692825/ultra-rare-nos-matched-pair-valvo-e88cc-6922-holy-grail-for-lyr

 

PM me.

 

****S O L D****

 

 huh..Will it beat the legendary cca pre1965 tubes or even the mullard micham gold pin

post #815 of 10902

My go-to tube prior to the Valvo was a 1967 Mullard 4109...check the Tubemonger site for a description.  I also own a pair of 1963 Telefunken 6DJ8's.  To my ears, yes I preferred the Valvo.  But it's all subjective.  I would never claim one tube is "better" than another...but for me these are the best tubes I've ever heard.

post #816 of 10902
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Old post, but just wanted to say thanks for your advice.  After the first round I did end up with the 1967 OGs (when I read your comment I asked, and Mecedes Man very kindly substituted them for the 1961 BBs I'd ordered).  I really like the OGs.  But then I got the itch and asked him about those BBs.  They were gone, but at that moment he was prepping a pair 1961 Large 'O' getter BB Straight Man(s).  He let me bid on them and, once again very graciously, accepted the bid.  Gave them a DeoxIT soak yesterday and will roll them in soon.  Curious to compare them to the OGs.

 

Anyway, cheers, mate  :smile:

 

Fantastic - no problems ... I can't wait to hear your take on the differences, and which ones you prefer.  Of course, both tube types are great, so there won't be knockout victory.  Can't wait till you write your review ... :beerchug:

post #817 of 10902
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

 

Fantastic - no problems ... I can't wait to hear your take on the differences, and which ones you prefer.  Of course, both tube types are great, so there won't be knockout victory.  Can't wait till you write your review ... :beerchug:

 

Will do.  I put around 100 hours on the OGs (mostly not listening; at first, yes, and then off and on, time permitting), and would like to put 50 or so on the BBs before comparing, but I'll post some thoughts.  I'm very curious, and will be focused more on synergy with cans and music, so comparisons will be made accordingly.

 

I know I was asking about what might be good with the Q701.  The past couple days I've been listening to the 1966 RTC (La Radiotechnique) E188CC / 7308.  Most of that was with the HE-500, but I just listened to a couple tracks on the Q701 before shutting down.  The first random track ("Starship Trooper" @ 24/96) sounded fantastic.  Sticking with Yes, I then tried "Southside of the Sky" from Fragile (also 24/96).  Typical Q701 harshness in the upper frequencies.  Funny cans, those Qs.  No blaming the RTCs (slaps self for even thinking that! ;-)

 

Tomorrow I'll roll the BBs, have a listen, and let them run all day.  Expect something by mid-to-late-week.

post #818 of 10902
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Originally Posted by billerb1 View Post
 

My go-to tube prior to the Valvo was a 1967 Mullard 4109...check the Tubemonger site for a description.  I also own a pair of 1963 Telefunken 6DJ8's.  To my ears, yes I preferred the Valvo.  But it's all subjective.  I would never claim one tube is "better" than another...but for me these are the best tubes I've ever heard.


   I fully understand what you mean when you claim about the valvo

   I think many people people wont believe me that when i say the best vocal i heard so far is from my hd600

   using cca pre 1965 tubes in my friend DIY amp. It beats my hd800 with dhc complement fusion cable.

   it is not in terms of accuracy but just a matter of taste

  

  Back to lyr, i find the tubes that fits best to my taste is mullard micham  E88cc when powering up my HE500.

  it is musical & most importantly it is able to retrieve the emotion in the music ..IMO of course

 

  Bu the way..i was about to trigger on the valvoe but i guess it was too late.

post #819 of 10902
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Will do.  I put around 100 hours on the OGs (mostly not listening; at first, yes, and then off and on, time permitting), and would like to put 50 or so on the BBs before comparing, but I'll post some thoughts.  I'm very curious, and will be focused more on synergy with cans and music, so comparisons will be made accordingly.

 

I know I was asking about what might be good with the Q701.  The past couple days I've been listening to the 1966 RTC (La Radiotechnique) E188CC / 7308.  Most of that was with the HE-500, but I just listened to a couple tracks on the Q701 before shutting down.  The first random track ("Starship Trooper" @ 24/96) sounded fantastic.  Sticking with Yes, I then tried "Southside of the Sky" from Fragile (also 24/96).  Typical Q701 harshness in the upper frequencies.  Funny cans, those Qs.  No blaming the RTCs (slaps self for even thinking that! ;-)

 

Tomorrow I'll roll the BBs, have a listen, and let them run all day.  Expect something by mid-to-late-week.

:popcorn:

post #820 of 10902
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Originally Posted by kamalz View Post
 


   I fully understand what you mean when you claim about the valvo

   I think many people people wont believe me that when i say the best vocal i heard so far is from my hd600

   using cca pre 1965 tubes in my friend DIY amp. It beats my hd800 with dhc complement fusion cable.

   it is not in terms of accuracy but just a matter of taste

  

  Back to lyr, i find the tubes that fits best to my taste is mullard micham  E88cc when powering up my HE500.

  it is musical & most importantly it is able to retrieve the emotion in the music ..IMO of course

 

  Bu the way..i was about to trigger on the valvoe but i guess it was too late.

You hit the nail on the head my friend when you said musical.  It's about what's musical to each of us.  I was originally trying to decide between a pair of AMPEREX 7308/E188CC PQ Holland1963 White Labels, a top 5 on most lists of the best 6922's, and the Valvo's.  I opted for the Amperex's because of their stellar reputation.  I got them and liked them....but they didn't grab me.  I sold them.  I was told the Valvo's were "about the music"...and as it turned out, they were...to me anyway.  Totally engaging and intimate.  A midrange that sounded like it was "raining down from heaven" in its soundstage.  Many others may see it the other way around...and that's what makes it fun...lol, and EXPENSIVE.  But it's worth it when you find what does it for you.  I've had the Mullards, those Amperex's, La Radiotechnique RTC's, the Telefunkens....the early 60's Valvos (or Philips MiniWatt ECC88 SQ's...which are the same tube) say "music" to me.

post #821 of 10902
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Originally Posted by billerb1 View Post
 

You hit the nail on the head my friend when you said musical.  It's about what's musical to each of us.  I was originally trying to decide between a pair of AMPEREX 7308/E188CC PQ Holland1963 White Labels, a top 5 on most lists of the best 6922's, and the Valvo's.  I opted for the Amperex's because of their stellar reputation.  I got them and liked them....but they didn't grab me.  I sold them.  I was told the Valvo's were "about the music"...and as it turned out, they were...to me anyway.  Totally engaging and intimate.  A midrange that sounded like it was "raining down from heaven" in its soundstage.  Many others may see it the other way around...and that's what makes it fun...lol, and EXPENSIVE.  But it's worth it when you find what does it for you.  I've had the Mullards, those Amperex's, La Radiotechnique RTC's, the Telefunkens....the early 60's Valvos (or Philips MiniWatt ECC88 SQ's...which are the same tube) say "music" to me.

 

   Yupe  my friend . i have been there with all my rigs.  All my rigs were tune to make me emotionally engaging  to a song up to a point i can cry..

    I even made a friend of mine heart broken for an hour after listen a sad song , change by chloe in Yanni voices.  

    He could not listen to any more songs after that & he was very mad at me if i even talked about the song during the period.. 

 

     In royal Albert hall,  Adele did look up at the sky above, right before she dedicated the song to her late friend that  inspired her so much .She then uttered

   " she could    see us , she could see us now" implying her friend Emily was there in the heaven watching her show  .

   I  almost had tears when she said that . I close my eyes & repeat  the phrase again & again ..it is the same feeling again & again. The

   moment Adele  say it, you can see her eyes were  kinda watery as if she was sad & happy at the same time.

 

   In short, i i completely understand what you are mentioning.

 

   Lyr is a very tricky amp. In my experience, it doesn't need a high end rca but it needs a really good tubes.  Matching is so important to lyr which reminded me

  of my hd800. i did not use lyr to power up my hd800 because i feel something short but it made my friend so upset.

 

  Well, the valvo will definitely be in my radar now

post #822 of 10902
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

:popcorn:

 

At first blush the 1961 Bugle Boy Straight Man (the Heteros, as henceforth they shall be known ;-) are awesome.  The Q701 sounds great with them, but HE-500... tasty.  Listened to all of Fragile and it was mind-blowingly good.  Then put a big mix on shuffle.  Nice fat, rounded low end, stellar mids and more than respectable highs.  Not the airiness of the 1966 Heerlen-made RTC E188CCs, but more balanced, I thought, but not trusting my memory atm.  Soundstage is great.  I'll have to throw the RTCs into the mix when I'm comparing Heteros to OGs.  I was not as impressed with the OGs on first listen, if memory serves, though they are fine tubes in their own right.

 

Gotta give a shout out to Mercedes Man for recommending the Heteros and hooking me up.

 

Keep on munching :popcorn: ...more to come :-)

post #823 of 10902
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

At first blush the 1961 Bugle Boy Straight Man (the Heteros, as henceforth they shall be known ;-) are awesome.  The Q701 sounds great with them, but HE-500... tasty.  Listened to all of Fragile and it was mind-blowingly good.  Then put a big mix on shuffle.  Nice fat, rounded low end, stellar mids and more than respectable highs.  Not the airiness of the 1966 Heerlen-made RTC E188CCs, but more balanced, I thought, but not trusting my memory atm.  Soundstage is great.  I'll have to throw the RTCs into the mix when I'm comparing Heteros to OGs.  I was not as impressed with the OGs on first listen, if memory serves, though they are fine tubes in their own right.

 

Gotta give a shout out to Mercedes Man for recommending the Heteros and hooking me up.

 

Keep on munching :popcorn: ...more to come :-)

Thanks - it will be interesting to see how this develops ... as I said, both the OG and Bugle Boys are great tubes - you can't lose (especially for their prices).  I suspect that the Bugle Boys may win on the 701's (they are generally warmer) ... but I still feel they may have a bit of a "peak" in the upper midrange - same as the 701's, they have a slight "edge" to them despite the warmth, in my system ... when you say Fragile - do you mean Nine Inch Nails ?  I think the bugle boys are better with typical pop due to the added warmth ..;  in my system (which is VERY warm already) the Orange Globes "reign" that in slightly - whilst still being warm.

 

Keep going ... this is really interesting for me too ... I might even hook up my 701's at some stage ... nah, who am I kidding, the LCD-2's (despite being WORSE than the 701's in some ways) are too much fun ...

 

Eagerly awaiting your next report as the tubes burn in etc and you get more "acclimatised" to each tube, and those smaller distinctions become more obvious ...


Edited by NinjaHamster - 12/1/13 at 6:44pm
post #824 of 10902
Lyr, Q's, Nails, He500's!! Now I know I'm in the right spot! My gear, my flavor of music. I'm home! :P
post #825 of 10902
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Originally Posted by Delete View Post

Lyr, Q's, Nails, He500's!! Now I know I'm in the right spot! My gear, my flavor of music. I'm home! :P

LOL = I have the Lyr's and Q cables ... and the Nails ... but I have no HE-500's so you are all alone ... alone like Trent Reznor ... We're all alone ... ALL alone ... :basshead:

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