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post #796 of 11395
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Originally Posted by Delete View Post

400 tubes is a nice collection and maybe one day I may get I to it like that but it seems kind of excessive. I have a decent size DVD collection and I sit and look for 30 minutes trying to pick one out. When it comes to music you now have to take many things int consideration, what music, what source, what cans, what amp and now what tubes. Can take me an hour to make that decision and set it up. Now I cut my listening time down dramatically.

 

I should tell you that most of these 400 tubes won't work in the Lyr. I purchased them for another amp. And further, most of these tubes are now in the "not good enough" pile! lol  I have only about 15 pairs that will work in the Lyr, and of these, I regularly listen to only 2 or 3 pairs. So I think you will find that no matter how many tubes you get, you will likely have only 2 or 3 favorites. Cheers. 

post #797 of 11395
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

Amperex was owned by Philips - and they never outsource their manufacturing to non-Philips brands ...

 

Of course they did.

 

... anything which is marked as an Amperex (apart from those fakes which I mentioned), were made in a Philips-owned factory ... whether that was in Holland, the USA or Britain ... and all were done under the Philips (or "Amperex") manufacturing processes and quality control ...

 

Nonsense.

 

Interesting.  I like a person who is confident in their knowledge. So which Amperex branded tubes were manufactured by non Philips-owned factories, and who was the real manufacturer of the tubes? Those details should aid in my further research and education.  Thankyou.

 

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 Well, maybe not by Lorenz, but there certainly are tubes that were sourced from the big US manufacturers and rebranded by Amperex. Think about tube types that were common in the US but perhaps not made at all by Philips companies.

 

Again, which tubes, and which manufacturers ?

 

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 the Dutch-made ones are rebranded Philips tubes.

 

LOL - they are ALL Philips tubes ... Philips was the parent company.

 

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You could then argue that the "Mullard" tubes it then produced were "fake", but that would be a semantic "sleight of hand".

 

Eh? Mullard-made Mullard-branded tubes aren't fakes — nor "fakes" — how could they? How does one even get such twisted ideas?

 

Good.  We clearly agree on this point.  As I said, it would be a semantic "sleight of hand".

 

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Mullards were made by Mullard, Valvos were made by Valvo, Adzams were made MBLE, Philips tubes were made by Philips, Amperexes were made by Amperex, etc.

 

Actually, Mullards were made by Philips, Valvos were made by Philips, Mazda were made by Philips, Amperexes were made by Philips, Dario were made by Philips, Adzams were made by Philips and so on and so forth. Philips was the parent company.

 

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 Additionally, they all sold (and branded as their own) tubes made by other companies, both within the Philips group and outside of it.

 

I know I sound like a broken record here, but which Amperexes were made by a non-Philips group manufacturer ?

post #798 of 11395
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Originally Posted by gibosi View Post
 

 

I should tell you that most of these 400 tubes won't work in the Lyr. I purchased them for another amp. And further, most of these tubes are now in the "not good enough" pile! lol  I have only about 15 pairs that will work in the Lyr, and of these, I regularly listen to only 2 or 3 pairs. So I think you will find that no matter how many tubes you get, you will likely have only 2 or 3 favorites. Cheers. 

I don't have anything like that many, but I also tend to use a small subset of valves, though my rationale is probably more laziness!

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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

I know I sound like a broken record here, but which Amperexes were made by a non-Philips group manufacturer ?

 

Below, I present a pair of Amperex Bugleboy 6AV6 (EBC91) manufactured by RCA in 1967:

 


Edited by gibosi - 11/29/13 at 7:52am
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Below, I present a pair of Amperex Bugleboy 6AV6 (EBC91) manufactured by RCA in 1967:

 

 

Cool, thanks - I've also found some Philips PC88's which were manufactured in EI (Yugoslavia), apparently in 1987.  So it is clear that I was wrong - there certainly were Amperexes (or Philips) tubes manufactured by non-Philips factories.  You learn something new every day !  :beerchug: 

 

I haven't found any Amperex 6dj8's which were manufactured externally, but I'm still looking ... perhaps some of the later models ? Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of info on the Red Globes, which I think would be a likely suspect ...


Edited by NinjaHamster - 11/29/13 at 7:57am
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Cool, thanks - I've also found some Philips PC88's which were manufactured in EI (Yugoslavia), apparently in 1987.  So it is clear that I was wrong - there certainly were Amperexes (or Philips) tubes manufactured by non-Philips factories.  You learn something new every day !  :beerchug: 

 

I haven't found any Amperex 6dj8's which were manufactured externally, but I'm still looking ... perhaps some of the later models ? Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of info on the Red Globes, which I think would be a likely suspect ...

 

I've got some Amperex 6DJ8s that were manufactured externally.   The came out of an old Tek scope that hadn't been opened in years.... I was surprised to see them, actually.

 

There are several that are made in Japan - no factory etch markings, but internal construction looks like Matsu****a when compared to the National/Matsu****a 6922 and 7DJ8s that I have.

 

There are also several that are Amperex "Made In West Germany" - but based on the construction, they appear to be 1969-1970-ish Reflektor plant 6N23P. 

 

I think that towards the end of general tube production/sales there was a lot of buying up/relabeling surplus/OEM stock since many of the factories had stopped production or closed.

post #802 of 11395

I have a load of Amperex Holland Globe logo that are made by Matsu****a, Japan!! Tektronics boxed and tested.

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The Tek selected tubes are great sounding and very quiet tubes. smily_headphones1.gif
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I have a load of Amperex Holland Globe logo that are made by Matsu****a, Japan!! Tektronics boxed and tested.
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Yes Tek tube are great. Forget to say they are 12AU7s.

post #805 of 11395
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post

 

LOL - they are ALL Philips tubes ... Philips was the parent company.

 

LOL to you as well, and ultimately you are absolutely right. You can bet your favourite body part, though, that the big letters on the roof or at the factory gate read Mullard in the UK, Philips in the Netherlands, Valvo in Hamburg, and so on.

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Sorry to change the topic but if someone can tell me where to purchase socket savers (not sure if that's what they're technically called) or let me know what they are specifically called so I can search for them, it would be much appreciated?
post #807 of 11395
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Sorry to change the topic but if someone can tell me where to purchase socket savers (not sure if that's what they're technically called) or let me know what they are specifically called so I can search for them, it would be much appreciated?

 

I got these.  Good stuff.

post #808 of 11395
Perfect! Thank you very much
post #809 of 11395
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Originally Posted by NinjaHamster View Post
 

 

Cool, thanks - I've also found some Philips PC88's which were manufactured in EI (Yugoslavia), apparently in 1987.  So it is clear that I was wrong - there certainly were Amperexes (or Philips) tubes manufactured by non-Philips factories.  You learn something new every day !  :beerchug: 

 

I haven't found any Amperex 6dj8's which were manufactured externally, but I'm still looking ... perhaps some of the later models ? Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of info on the Red Globes, which I think would be a likely suspect ...

 

Though some 6DJ8 were manufactured by other brands and then labeled for Amperex or other Philips brands, that tube type wasn't the most likely candidate for such a scheme in its early production days, since it was basically invented (or first made or whichever) by Philips in the first place. In Europe, Philips basically flooded the market with its numerous factories and brands, so Philips tubes - regardless of printed Philips brand - would have had a very high chance of being actual Philips tubes - regardless of actual Philips factory.

 

In the same time frame in the US, with the Amperex brand, you would probably find some degree of rebranding though, mainly of other US manufacturers. So, while in the 60s, in even moreso in the final tube days (70's onward), there was some rebranding going on, the 6DJ8 type isn't the best example of this, as far as Philips-group tubes go - but there was definitely some rebranding at times.

 

Actually, it's easier to find rebranded tubes the other way around, with Philips-group 6DJ8 & 6922 tubes being relabeled for other companies (either real companies or ones like "Beckman" or "Sonotone").

 

Here's an example I'd seen on ebay a few weeks ago:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Matched-Pair-Amperex-E88CC-6922-6dj8-ECC88-Tubes-JUST-OPENED-FOR-PHOTO-NEW-/251357532937?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a86139309

 

EI in Yugoslavia is a slightly different example, as it wasn't exactly a "Philips factory" in the same way that the UK Mullard or French RTC factories were, or at least not in the same time frame (I forget whether it actually was a Philips-owned brand or just a Philips partner of sorts).

 

EI basically got the "old" Philips Holland machinery and kept making tubes with it in Yugoslavia until the war (some say after as well, but I've yet to actually see one of those tubes), so mainly in the 70's & 80's when the demand for tubes had diminished in most developed countries.

 

So, a Philips branded but EI made 6DJ8, while being a rebrand, kind of sits on the proverbial fence between being a Philips-group tube and a rebrand...

post #810 of 11395
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Originally Posted by Audiofanboy View Post
 

 

Though some 6DJ8 were manufactured by other brands and then labeled for Amperex or other Philips brands, that tube type wasn't the most likely candidate for such a scheme in its early production days, since it was basically invented (or first made or whichever) by Philips in the first place. In Europe, Philips basically flooded the market with its numerous factories and brands, so Philips tubes - regardless of printed Philips brand - would have had a very high chance of being actual Philips tubes - regardless of actual Philips factory.

 

In the same time frame in the US, with the Amperex brand, you would probably find some degree of rebranding though, mainly of other US manufacturers. So, while in the 60s, in even moreso in the final tube days (70's onward), there was some rebranding going on, the 6DJ8 type isn't the best example of this, as far as Philips-group tubes go - but there was definitely some rebranding at times.

 

Actually, it's easier to find rebranded tubes the other way around, with Philips-group 6DJ8 & 6922 tubes being relabeled for other companies (either real companies or ones like "Beckman" or "Sonotone").

 

Here's an example I'd seen on ebay a few weeks ago:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Matched-Pair-Amperex-E88CC-6922-6dj8-ECC88-Tubes-JUST-OPENED-FOR-PHOTO-NEW-/251357532937?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3a86139309

 

EI in Yugoslavia is a slightly different example, as it wasn't exactly a "Philips factory" in the same way that the UK Mullard or French RTC factories were, or at least not in the same time frame (I forget whether it actually was a Philips-owned brand or just a Philips partner of sorts).

 

EI basically got the "old" Philips Holland machinery and kept making tubes with it in Yugoslavia until the war (some say after as well, but I've yet to actually see one of those tubes), so mainly in the 70's & 80's when the demand for tubes had diminished in most developed countries.

 

So, a Philips branded but EI made 6DJ8, while being a rebrand, kind of sits on the proverbial fence between being a Philips-group tube and a rebrand...

 

Wow - thank you for providing such a detailed and beautifully written response - I am grateful, and forever in your debt, even as I inculcate your understanding ("I am Borg").  That is the type of information - and the level of detail - I hoped for - even though I had no right to ever expect it ... Wonderful stuff - I'm sure it will aid more than just myself !  Well Done, and thank-you once again.


Edited by NinjaHamster - 11/30/13 at 3:20am
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