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post #496 of 3999

I know that now.  I just thought it was more convenient to take both out and put both back in.

I now know why this is "Fail"

 

I hope it was helpful to see what the component looks like and why you don't want to stress it.


Edited by sceleratus - 9/16/13 at 5:39pm
post #497 of 3999
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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

I know that now.  I just thought it was more convenient to take both out and put both back in.
I now know why this is "Fail"

I hope it was helpful to see what the component looks like and why you don't want to stress it.

Definitely helpful! I know I'll be more careful now.
post #498 of 3999

Do you have to use something thats non metal? 

 

Also, how do you place in tubes and take them out? Do you just twist? How hot do the tubes get?

post #499 of 3999
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post

Do you have to use something thats non metal? 

Also, how do you place in tubes and take them out? Do you just twist? How hot do the tubes get?

Not sure that its a good idea to stick something metallic down there. Better safe than sorry.

This is what I use to remove tubes:

http://www.amazon.com/Electro-Harmonix-EH-Tube-Glove/dp/B000UMCLIC/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1379383601&sr=1-1&keywords=Tube+glove

Not great, but it works. It's best to let tubes cool before pulling them, as it's easier to remove lettering from the tube when they're hot (although I often do it anyway and just try to be careful).
post #500 of 3999

Oh right. Why not metallic? Is it best to use a popsicle stick or a Starbucks mixing stick?

 

What if I don't have that glove? Can I just use a rubber glove or like mittons to take the tubes out? How long should I wait for them to cool? And is there any twisting required when placing them in or taking them out?

post #501 of 3999
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post

Oh right. Why not metallic? Is it best to use a popsicle stick or a Starbucks mixing stick?

What if I don't have that glove? Can I just use a rubber glove or like mittons to take the tubes out? How long should I wait for them to cool? And is there any twisting required when placing them in or taking them out?

Stick something metallic into/near an electronic circuit - not a good idea.

Sure, you can use a glove, your fingers, or anything that works for you. You don't twist tubes, just seat them directly down into the socket. Sometimes a slight rocking motion helps.
post #502 of 3999
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Originally Posted by R Scott Ireland View Post


Stick something metallic into/near an electronic circuit - not a good idea.

Sure, you can use a glove, your fingers, or anything that works for you. You don't twist tubes, just seat them directly down into the socket. Sometimes a slight rocking motion helps.

 

Oh right. So anything non metallic?

 
Will it make a click noise or anything to let me know the tubes are in place? And how hard do I have to pull to get the tubes out?
post #503 of 3999
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Originally Posted by highrolller View Post
 

 

Oh right. So anything non metallic?

 
Will it make a click noise or anything to let me know the tubes are in place? And how hard do I have to pull to get the tubes out?

 

Some things can't be taught, they must be experienced.  Look at it and follow your intuition.

 
It's not much different than putting a power cord into an outlet.  You don't use metal and you don't twist.  Instead of 3 prongs, there are 9, they are stickier, and there's glass on one end.
post #504 of 3999
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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post
 

 

Some things can't be taught, they must be experienced.  Look at it and follow your intuition.

 
It's not much different than putting a power cord into an outlet.  You don't use metal and you don't twist.  Instead of 3 prongs, there are 9, they are stickier, and there's glass on one end.

 

I can't even get my tubes into the socket saver... I am scared I am using too much force and it will break...

post #505 of 3999

talking about socket savers, what do you guys think of the cheapo chinese ones off ebay?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-X-9-PIN-TUBE-SOCKET-SAVER-FOR-ECC81-12AT7-ECC82-12AU7-ECC83-12AX7-ECC88-E88CC-/300937663411?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item46114853b3

post #506 of 3999

I have some of those and they are not great, cheap and light wieght. I replaced with some Tubemonger ones on 9 pin. I like those. On octal (not really relevant here but) I use some high quality ceramic ones from french miltary which are great but am tempted to also try some Tubemonger ones but they aren't cheap. The seller of the french military also had some NOS 9 pins ones which I don't think are as good quality as my ceramic octals but look better than the ebay listing here. The best 9 pin I have tried is the Tubemonger one (currently on offer).

post #507 of 3999
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Originally Posted by Nic Rhodes View Post

I have some of those and they are not great, cheap and light wieght. I replaced with some Tubemonger ones on 9 pin. I like those. On octal (not really relevant here but) I use some high quality ceramic ones from french miltary which are great but am tempted to also try some Tubemonger ones but they aren't cheap. The seller of the french military also had some NOS 9 pins ones which I don't think are as good quality as my ceramic octals but look better than the ebay listing here. The best 9 pin I have tried is the Tubemonger one (currently on offer).

The TubeMonger ones are very good in my opinion, but I have stopped using them now as I have settled, I think, on the last tubes I will buy for my Lyr/HE 500 setup.
post #508 of 3999
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post

Siemens CCa Vs Voskhod '75 Grey Shield

Tonally these two tubes are pretty much identical. Both have a very flat response and not overly 'Tubey' in their sound. To clarify the 'tube' sound to me is a bit rounded and punchy in the mids. Sometimes 'tube' sound is a bit soft on the details and the trade-off is pleasant to listen to. Many would argue this, but I'm talking about cheap common tubes. To my ear they typically fall a bit short.

I gave each pair 1/2hr to warm up. Both are well broken in. The CCa with maybe a few hundred hours on them, the Russians have 100hrs of break-in time only. They might get much better with time, but I don't know.

The Russians are slightly more intimate with an ever so slight emphasis on warmth over the Siemens. Both allow you identify placement and certitude of instruments with ease. I seem to be mostly focused on sound stage these days. Space and art of envelope layering by the artists. So I'm going to focus here rather than anywhere else, other aspects being negligibly equal.

Cowboy Junkies:
Renmin Park - Track 08 - Cicadas
This track brings to life live samples from ... presumably Renmin Park... and layer on top of that voices in the presence range. Then it layers sound samples upon samples all with different sound envelopes. This track sounds great with both tubes, the only advantage the CCa has is that the deep background sounds way in the distant are more pronounced. There is a church bell that faintly goes off and you can almost hear it echoing off the roof tops and through the streets to reach you. With the voskhod this is less pronounced but still can be sensed. Then again I might impressing my experience of the former on the latter.

Renmin Park - Track 02 - Renmin Park
I discovered this track with my current rig and CCa tube. I have to confess that for me, I don't know what it is but there is something in this track gets me. The first time I heard it I teared right up. Sometime it still gets me. But emotionally the CCa brings this out in me. The Voskhod falls ever so slightly short in this respect. I'm _very_ surprised by this and I can't really explain the difference. So there you have it. One tube produces more of an emotional response than the other. Go figure. If that isn't an element of je-ne-cais-quoi, then I don't know what is.

Summary:
I think what might be going on here is that the E1CC88 might be a better fit electrically into the Lyr's circuit. You would think you could just add a hair more gain on the volume pot to compensate with the 6N23P. The problem being is that your bringing up the floor as well when you do this. The CCa being designed to be a sensitive tube fits the Lyr perfectly. Background and detail shines and I don't think a CCa can be beat in this respect.

Not that the 6N23P is a slouch in this circuit. No sir. The experience is nearly the same. If I didn't know the CCa I might even call this an end game tube with for this amp and headphone. Not that I believe in the nonsense of 'end game'. No such thing.

So the verdict in my IMHO is that the difference is very small. The cost difference very high. The CCa gets you 'there' a little more. A little closer to the recording. It's only evident if you A/B or if you are already ruined by the CCa. As one has been tarnished by the CCa tube I do notice that little niggling thing that I can't put my finger on is missing. That niggling feeling faded as I lived with the Voskhod for a week.

Also as Rob has stated a few times, it depends on your source. Perhaps the Voskhod does better than the CCa when it gets a different source to work with. So in the end its all plastic. Impressions aren't worth much and YMMV. biggrin.gif

Excellent review! The Voskhods will keep getting better past 200 hrs. Since I wrote that review, I have come across a rare version that I like just a bit better, as you say just conveys that emotion thing a bit deeper. It is also the '75 Voskhod Gray Shield, but has a single wire getter post vs the plate post. These were also made by Reflector (at least marked with their factory logo). On some recordings I like the Gray Shield Getter Plate Post version a slight bit better -a bit more dynamic, on other recordings the little added warmth of the Gray Shield Single Wire Getter post version really connects. Both are really outstanding. This version of the Reflectors are not the much more common dual dimpled getter post version of the same year -those were pretty mediocre to my ears.
Edited by rb2013 - 9/17/13 at 7:45pm
post #509 of 3999
What about the 1980 silver plate which was the best in the world like 4 mths ago
post #510 of 3999
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Originally Posted by john777 View Post


The TubeMonger ones are very good in my opinion, but I have stopped using them now as I have settled, I think, on the last tubes I will buy for my Lyr/HE 500 setup.

 

And what tubes have you decided to settle on?

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