Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers
Dec 15, 2014 at 11:06 AM Post #4,156 of 23,493
  I am always impressed by the depth of your "rolling" history. Your description of the tubes mentioned above is the same as my limited exposure. The 60s Amperex CEP USN 7308s you are looking for, should of course be essentially the same as what I have, depending on which year, getter construction you choose. I was surprised my 7308s are considerably less euphonic than say my Miniwatt E188s. Bill had described this to me before I got them from him. Do you have any preference for the "D" or "O" getters? As always, I look forward to your latest "shootout", roll on!!


Yes your Amperex's, just like the USN CEPs are the most neutral of all the Amperex's I've heard.
 
I notice my favorite tubes: the '75 6N23P HG's, the '60s Tele E88CC, and the '60s Amperex USN-CEP's, Siemens early 60's gray shield CCa's (and soon the Philips Heerlens) all converge at a similar place.  Wonderful sound!  Natural rich tone, neutral balance, deep detail (the HGs being the detail kings), wide and deep sound stage, and a holographic 3D presentation.  They just go about it from a slightly different perspective.
 
As for the Amperex D Getter vs O Getter - I love'em both!  The D getters are a little more euphonic to my ears - the O getters a bit more neutral.  All fun and would be looking to get either at a reasonable price.
 
Cheers!
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Dec 16, 2014 at 2:02 AM Post #4,157 of 23,493
I have to admit, I gave up looking at 278 pages, so I'm going to ask you experts to get me started in this new hobby. Not sure if it's going to burn an even deeper hole to my already-depleted wallet.
 
I just recently acquired the Uber Bifrost + Lyr2 combo and loving it on my HD700 so far. I think it sounds superb already but I'm interested to try some tubes out.
 
What I want to improve from stock Lyr2 tubes:
 
- Wider soundstage. #1 thing I'm looking for.
- Even better instrument separation
- A tad-bit warmer as HD700 would be great, as stock tubes can still sound quite trebly at times
 
Any suggestions for a killer HD700 combo? 
 
P.S. Might as well throw this one out as well. I don't know if anyone here uses Audioengine A5+ speakers, but which one would pair well with that? That's the combo I have and the A5+ sound signature is kinda polar opposite from the HD700 in that A5+ is warm and HD700 is cold sounding. 
 
Thanks!
 
dL
 
Dec 16, 2014 at 5:23 PM Post #4,158 of 23,493
Have a question about the Voskhod 6N23P.  I'm checking on eBay, and wondering few things:
1) Does it have to say "rocket" logo?  
2) And are they all either "grey" or "silver" shields? 
3) Is 73, 74, 75 the best years to get?  Many don't specify the year or decade.
4) Would these be the best match for LCD-2F?  (similar signature as telefunken and siemens). 
 
thanks whoever can help.
 
Dec 16, 2014 at 9:48 PM Post #4,159 of 23,493
  Have a question about the Voskhod 6N23P.  I'm checking on eBay, and wondering few things:
1) Does it have to say "rocket" logo?  
2) And are they all either "grey" or "silver" shields? 
3) Is 73, 74, 75 the best years to get?  Many don't specify the year or decade.
4) Would these be the best match for LCD-2F?  (similar signature as telefunken and siemens). 
 
thanks whoever can help.


1) The Voskhods have the Rocket logo not the Reflektors.  The Reflektors I mention are not the very common dual getter post versions, but the ultra rare SWGP ones made only in '74 and '75.  The dual post versions were also made these yrs - so be careful when purchasing.
2) See my ranking of the silver and grays I posted a few pages back
3) Same for the years - the '73's, '72's, 71's all have SWGP and gray shields and are on a par with the '74 gray VRs (although a slightly different sound)
4) Awesome match with the LCD-2's, although I don't own those HPs, I've heard from those who do and love the 6n23p's with them.  They are detailed with excellent bass, and a large sound stage.
 
Buying on Ebay from Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovian, Bulgarian , etc dealers.  BUYER BEWARE!  I have bought from almost all these folks and it's been a difficult experience.  Sometime good, many times bad.  I do have a tester and approx 20-30% fail either testing (for shorts, grid emissions, output failure, or large section imbalances) or are very noisy or microphonic (another 10%).  So it's hit or miss.  Most dealers (and I have complained about this ad nauseam on the this forum) either won't tell you what they are sending you or send you tubes different then the ones pictured.  I have only been able to assemble matched prs by buying many auctions and sifting through them, doing the matching myself. 
 
Good luck!
 
PS My Philips E188CCs arrived from Sweden.  They're delta factory codes!  So Herleen's!  Test excellent - nicely matched.  Burning in now.  As a side note all tubes should be given a 50 hr burn in min before listening - 100 hrs before serious listening (the 6n23p's keep getting better out to 200 hrs - the longest burn-in of any tube I have owned)
 
Dec 16, 2014 at 9:53 PM Post #4,160 of 23,493
  I have to admit, I gave up looking at 278 pages, so I'm going to ask you experts to get me started in this new hobby. Not sure if it's going to burn an even deeper hole to my already-depleted wallet.
 
I just recently acquired the Uber Bifrost + Lyr2 combo and loving it on my HD700 so far. I think it sounds superb already but I'm interested to try some tubes out.
 
What I want to improve from stock Lyr2 tubes:
 
- Wider soundstage. #1 thing I'm looking for.
- Even better instrument separation
- A tad-bit warmer as HD700 would be great, as stock tubes can still sound quite trebly at times
 
Any suggestions for a killer HD700 combo? 
 
P.S. Might as well throw this one out as well. I don't know if anyone here uses Audioengine A5+ speakers, but which one would pair well with that? That's the combo I have and the A5+ sound signature is kinda polar opposite from the HD700 in that A5+ is warm and HD700 is cold sounding. 
 
Thanks!
 
dL


I have the HD800s and really like '75 6N23P HG's, the '60s Tele E88CC, and the '60s Amperex USN-CEP's, Siemens early 60's gray shield CCa's (and soon the Philips Heerlens I'm sure) they all converge at a similar place.  Wonderful sound!  Natural rich tone, neutral balance, deep detail (the HGs being the detail kings), wide and deep sound stage, and a holographic 3D presentation.  They just go about it from a slightly different perspective.
 
Happy Rolling!
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Dec 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM Post #4,161 of 23,493
HELP, question about my Lyr1. I'm getting crackling sounds in my right ear on multiple headphones when plugged into the Lyr, I reversed the tubes and it still came out the right ear piece. Are my tubes just old or something? 
 
Dec 16, 2014 at 10:49 PM Post #4,162 of 23,493
 
1) The Voskhods have the Rocket logo not the Reflektors.  The Reflektors I mention are not the very common dual getter post versions, but the ultra rare SWGP ones made only in '74 and '75.  The dual post versions were also made these yrs - so be careful when purchasing.
2) See my ranking of the silver and grays I posted a few pages back
3) Same for the years - the '73's, '72's, 71's all have SWGP and gray shields and are on a par with the '74 gray VRs (although a slightly different sound)
4) Awesome match with the LCD-2's, although I don't own those HPs, I've heard from those who do and love the 6n23p's with them.  They are detailed with excellent bass, and a large sound stage.
 
Buying on Ebay from Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovian, Bulgarian , etc dealers.  BUYER BEWARE!  I have bought from almost all these folks and it's been a difficult experience.  Sometime good, many times bad.  I do have a tester and approx 20-30% fail either testing (for shorts, grid emissions, output failure, or large section imbalances) or are very noisy or microphonic (another 10%).  So it's hit or miss.  Most dealers (and I have complained about this ad nauseam on the this forum) either won't tell you what they are sending you or send you tubes different then the ones pictured.  I have only been able to assemble matched prs by buying many auctions and sifting through them, doing the matching myself. 
 
Good luck!
 
PS My Philips E188CCs arrived from Sweden.  They're delta factory codes!  So Herleen's!  Test excellent - nicely matched.  Burning in now.  As a side note all tubes should be given a 50 hr burn in min before listening - 100 hrs before serious listening (the 6n23p's keep getting better out to 200 hrs - the longest burn-in of any tube I have owned)


Here three eBay listings:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181391227993?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201229833263?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171411116938?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 
First and third from same seller.  Second most cheapest.
Which represent the best sound and best buy?  
Unless there's another option. Like how can I find a pair of matched HG's you speak of? 
 
By the way, do you ( rb2013) yourself sell these tubes?  I somehow got the impression that you did but wasn't sure if you did.  If you do, I'd be interested.  
 
thanks
 
Dec 16, 2014 at 10:54 PM Post #4,163 of 23,493
If you switched tubes LR and noise still only RT channel on multiple hps then not tubes or hps. Try switching interconnects try wiggling right RCA LYR input to see if lose connection if you eliminate everything in reproduction chain DAC CDP other source then u have an internal problem in rt channel circuit and send unit to Schiit for repair
 
Dec 17, 2014 at 10:07 AM Post #4,164 of 23,493
 
Here three eBay listings:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181391227993?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201229833263?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171411116938?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 
First and third from same seller.  Second most cheapest.
Which represent the best sound and best buy?  
Unless there's another option. Like how can I find a pair of matched HG's you speak of? 
 
By the way, do you ( rb2013) yourself sell these tubes?  I somehow got the impression that you did but wasn't sure if you did.  If you do, I'd be interested.  
 
thanks


rb2013 does indeed sell tubes on Ebay, I highly recommend him!!  I have bought some tubes from him before.  Nice guy and a great buy.  I can vouch for him.  I would say buying tubes from him is a much better idea than buying from dealers in Eastern Europe.   He can let you know his seller name on Ebay.
 
Dec 17, 2014 at 10:49 AM Post #4,165 of 23,493
B
1) The Voskhods have the Rocket logo not the Reflektors.  The Reflektors I mention are not the very common dual getter post versions, but the ultra rare SWGP ones made only in '74 and '75.  The dual post versions were also made these yrs - so be careful when purchasing.
2) See my ranking of the silver and grays I posted a few pages back
3) Same for the years - the '73's, '72's, 71's all have SWGP and gray shields and are on a par with the '74 gray VRs (although a slightly different sound)
4) Awesome match with the LCD-2's, although I don't own those HPs, I've heard from those who do and love the 6n23p's with them.  They are detailed with excellent bass, and a large sound stage.

Buying on Ebay from Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovian, Bulgarian , etc dealers.  BUYER BEWARE!  I have bought from almost all these folks and it's been a difficult experience.  Sometime good, many times bad.  I do have a tester and approx 20-30% fail either testing (for shorts, grid emissions, output failure, or large section imbalances) or are very noisy or microphonic (another 10%).  So it's hit or miss.  Most dealers (and I have complained about this ad nauseam on the this forum) either won't tell you what they are sending you or send you tubes different then the ones pictured.  I have only been able to assemble matched prs by buying many auctions and sifting through them, doing the matching myself. 

Good luck!

PS My Philips E188CCs arrived from Sweden.  They're delta factory codes!  So Herleen's!  Test excellent - nicely matched.  Burning in now.  As a side note all tubes should be given a 50 hr burn in min before listening - 100 hrs before serious listening (the 6n23p's keep getting better out to 200 hrs - the longest burn-in of any tube I have owned)

Bob what are the VR#'s and date codes on your Miniwatts?
 
Dec 17, 2014 at 10:51 AM Post #4,166 of 23,493
 
rb2013 does indeed sell tubes on Ebay, I highly recommend him!!  I have bought some tubes from him before.  Nice guy and a great buy.  I can vouch for him.  I would say buying tubes from him is a much better idea than buying from dealers in Eastern Europe.   He can let you know his seller name on Ebay.


What is rb2013 eBay listing or link?
 
thanks
 
Dec 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM Post #4,167 of 23,493
 
What is rb2013 eBay listing or link?
 
thanks

I just sent him a PM through head fi.
 
He gave me a few options, and I picked one of the more expensive options, expensive being relative.
 
Installed my tubes yesterday, and let them run in over night.
Did a quick listen this morning, and I was impressed with how they sound.
Still want to let them run in some more, but based on my initial impression they are easily worth the asking price.  Would have been a little cheaper on ebay, but a lot more risk.
 
Randy
 
Dec 17, 2014 at 11:43 AM Post #4,170 of 23,493
 
Here three eBay listings:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181391227993?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201229833263?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171411116938?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 
First and third from same seller.  Second most cheapest.
Which represent the best sound and best buy?  
Unless there's another option. Like how can I find a pair of matched HG's you speak of? 
 
By the way, do you ( rb2013) yourself sell these tubes?  I somehow got the impression that you did but wasn't sure if you did.  If you do, I'd be interested.  
 
thanks


As I'm sorting through the random russian tubes that arrive - I do get some extra pairs that I match and  sell.  Don't have much right now (just some random '80s VRs), the best vintage ones have become very hard to find - my ebay handle is rb90002009.
 
I'm looking for a mate to this ultra, ultra, uber-ultra rare 6n23p - '63 Reflektor double mica and a splatter plate.   It has a very unique single straight wire getter support (4th from the left in the picture).  I would consider trading or purchasing if anyone has one or comes across one.
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