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post #2311 of 10857
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Originally Posted by snarfarlarkus View Post

Does anyone know a good upgrade tube from the Siemens E88CC's? They are these holy grail tubes: http://www.tubemuseum.org/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SH_E88CC-1964

I am using a pair now and have a spare 1964 pair NOS in my closet and was thinking of selling/trading them if anyone were interested but I do not know the price as I were given them as a gift. I emailed Tube Museum about it and they said they are extremely rare tubes and according to Tube Museum, they are one of the best sounding 6922/E88CC/CCa's ever made. I cut and pasted this statement from the link above: NOS SIEMENS E88CC 6922 GRAY-SHIELD EARLY 1960 HOLY-GRAIL MATCHED PLATINUM LOW-NOISE PAIRS - RATED "BEST SOUNDING" # 1 6922 / E88CC / CCa EVER MADE

They sound amazing and are a HUGE improvement over my older Matsu****a 6922s and Amperex Orange Globes.

Just my 2cents, a word of caution. The tubes you have are certainly some of the best out there. The CCA's and 188s are theoretically better, however as in all things tubes the ones you have may sound better than used CCA's, etc. This is an extremely subjective analysis, "what is best". Brent Jesse has said some E88CC's measure and sound better than some CCA's(Siemens/Teles) It is really a roll of the dice and hype. If you have available funds, keep your tubes, buy the others and compare, then sell. My new Teles are are huge improvement over my Mats, Etc. 

post #2312 of 10857
The 6n23p Holy Grails I have now crush the scores of S&H CCa's I've owned. The Siemens are not known for their lush tone.
post #2313 of 10857
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Originally Posted by snarfarlarkus View Post

Does anyone know a good upgrade tube from the Siemens E88CC's? They are these holy grail tubes: http://www.tubemuseum.org/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SH_E88CC-1964

I am using a pair now and have a spare 1964 pair NOS in my closet and was thinking of selling/trading them if anyone were interested but I do not know the price as I were given them as a gift. I emailed Tube Museum about it and they said they are extremely rare tubes and according to Tube Museum, they are one of the best sounding 6922/E88CC/CCa's ever made. I cut and pasted this statement from the link above: NOS SIEMENS E88CC 6922 GRAY-SHIELD EARLY 1960 HOLY-GRAIL MATCHED PLATINUM LOW-NOISE PAIRS - RATED "BEST SOUNDING" # 1 6922 / E88CC / CCa EVER MADE

They sound amazing and are a HUGE improvement over my older Matsu****a 6922s and Amperex Orange Globes.

 

My set cost $349, from tubemuseum, in 2013.  These are excellent tubes, but in my opinion the S&H CCa and Amperex Pinched Waists are the true "holy grails", not these.

post #2314 of 10857
Tube World poll: What's your favorite-sounding 6922 of all time?


CLICK HERE TO VOTE NOW!





The Best Sounding 6922=E88CC Gold Pins ever made
(SEE THE 6922 POLL RESULTS FOR CUSTOMER FEEDBACK REGARDING 6922's)

6922 Amperex Holland "Pinched Waist" 1958, many branded Valvo
6922 or CCa Siemens Halske 1950's - 1960's (airy highs, great detail, solid bass)
6922 or CCa Telefunken 1950's - 1960's
6922 Amperex "PQ" Holland Gold Pins white printing 1960-1966 (older the better)
6922 Amperex Holland branded Amperex or Philips Miniwatt or Mullard Holland
or Philips Holland "SQ" 1960's
6922 Mullard 1960's
CV2493=E88CC-01 Mullard late 1960's to mid-1970's
6922 Amperex USA "PQ" white printing 1960's then orange printing 1967-1972
GB-6922 Sylvania GOld Brand Gold Pins 1960's
6922 Sylvania, many are branded RCA 1970's - 1980's
6922 Tesla Gold Pins - older stock (very good value)
post #2315 of 10857
I had them all - except the impossible to find U getters. Rankings from Tube World

English Description:
CCa was a E88CC specially selected for "Post Germany"; special low noise, low microphonic, long-life 6922.
Philips had similar selections for the "Dutch Post", some tubes are selected had "PTT" etched.

The "German and Dutch Post" = telephone, telegraphie, telex, and the postal system.
Much of the telephone centrals used tube equipment and for telephone equipment you want a "noise-free" enviroment.
The letters "CC" probably equates to "double triode", and/or a for special design.

The Best Sounding CCa=6922 ever made
TOP 5:
1) CCa Siemens & Halske 1950's "U" getter halo and 1960's "O" getter halo
"Rarest and most sought after CCa, has "gray shield" between plates,
Most realistic sounding holographic soundstage, pure seductive sonic joy,
complex symphonic images emerge effortlessly"

2) CCa Telefunken West Germany 1960's
"excellent neutral holographic soundstage, vast vocabulary of tone
establishes remarkable layers of harmonics, very rare"

3) CCa Siemens & Halske A-FRAME construction late 1960's - early 1970's
"beautiful open air holographic images, low microphonic tube construction, rare"

4) CCa LORENZ West Germany early 1960's
"beautiful open air holographic images, very rare"

5) CCa VALVO Heerlen Holland 1960's
"real sonic holography, extremely rare"

6) CCa Siemens Rohre A-Frame early 1973-1974 (in stock, silver shield)

6922 with "GRAY SHIELD" 1950's - 1965 / "SILVER/CHROME SHIELD" 1966 - 1980's

The "shield" is the "gray" or "shiny silver" plate (electrostatic shield) that is situated between
the 2 gray dual triode plates inside a framed grid tube, such as a 6922, 6DJ8 and 7308.
A "framed grid" tube is a high amplification(mu) VHF triode with a slotted frame around
the grid to shield part of the grid structure and allow a controlled field of electrons
to flow through to the plate.
Edited by rb2013 - 6/16/14 at 9:02am
post #2316 of 10857
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post

Tube World poll: What's your favorite-sounding 6922 of all time?....
...
6922 Amperex Holland "Pinched Waist" 1958, many branded Valvo
6922 or CCa Siemens Halske 1950's - 1960's (airy highs, great detail, solid bass)
6922 or CCa Telefunken 1950's - 1960's
6922 Amperex "PQ" Holland Gold Pins white printing 1960-1966 (older the better)
6922 Amperex Holland branded Amperex or Philips Miniwatt or Mullard Holland
or Philips Holland "SQ" 1960's
6922 Mullard 1960's
CV2493=E88CC-01 Mullard late 1960's to mid-1970's
6922 Amperex USA "PQ" white printing 1960's then orange printing 1967-1972
GB-6922 Sylvania GOld Brand Gold Pins 1960's
6922 Sylvania, many are branded RCA 1970's - 1980's
6922 Tesla Gold Pins - older stock (very good value)

6922 Tesla Czech Republic 1970's-1980's - 4% / 41 Votes, Good to see the Tesla keeping up with the best of the best. 

 

They still pale in comparison to Tele and Amperex lovers however.

post #2317 of 10857
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Originally Posted by PinkLed View Post
 

6922 Tesla Czech Republic 1970's-1980's - 4% / 41 Votes, Good to see the Tesla keeping up with the best of the best. 

 

They still pale in comparison to Tele and Amperex lovers however.

 

+1 on the Tesla's - some very fine tubes, especially at the price.

 

Another top tube that does not appear on that list is the Amperex USN-CEP from the 1960's.

post #2318 of 10857

Well my 80s Voskhods are finally here.  Looking forward to lighting a fire in the little bottles later this evening.  Took a bloody month from Crimea.

post #2319 of 10857
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post

Well my 80s Voskhods are finally here.  Looking forward to lighting a fire in the little bottles later this evening.  Took a bloody month from Crimea.

Was it postmarked Ukraine or Russia? Send any complaints regarding delayed shipping to: Comrade Vlad, c/o Lenin's Tomb, Red Square, Moscow, USSR 😈
post #2320 of 10857
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post
 

Well my 80s Voskhods are finally here.  Looking forward to lighting a fire in the little bottles later this evening.  Took a bloody month from Crimea.

 

Or a month from bloody Crimea.  Hope they prove worth the wait.

post #2321 of 10857

They look absolutely pristine.  If they sound half as good as they look, I'll be happy.

post #2322 of 10857
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post

Well my 80s Voskhods are finally here.  Looking forward to lighting a fire in the little bottles later this evening.  Took a bloody month from Crimea.
You could have had a nice tested pair from in the US in three days for $19.
post #2323 of 10857
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Originally Posted by Wildcatsare1 View Post

Was it postmarked Ukraine or Russia? Send any complaints regarding delayed shipping to: Comrade Vlad, c/o Lenin's Tomb, Red Square, Moscow, USSR 😈
LMAO! Be sure to check for bullet nicks.
post #2324 of 10857
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post


They are close but not quite the legendary Seimens early '60s Gray Shield CCa's. The S&H CCa's were a special version of the E88CC in that they were selected for lowest noise and very tight section matching. These did have several versions, with different getters. The more common versions go for $400 - $500 a pr. Now that's for tested tubes. Check ebay for the prices of untested tubes.

The Siemens E88CC is an awesome tube. In class above the OGs and Mats.




http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Siemens-Halske-CCa-E88CC-6922-Grey-Shield-HOLY-GRAIL-MATCHED-PAIR-TUBES-/231237009878?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item35d6ccc1d6

Thanks RB2013. Mine are tested and are a matched pair, I could show you the box although it is a white box and not the original siemens box unfortunately. They are NOS and have the VERY rare "O" getters and Gray electro static shield plates. It is exactly what is shown in the tube museum link and I agree that they are extremely rare and are a true holy grail tube so if anyone is still interested in a bargain or a swap, just PM me, thanks.

post #2325 of 10857
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Originally Posted by satwilson View Post
 

Just my 2cents, a word of caution. The tubes you have are certainly some of the best out there. The CCA's and 188s are theoretically better, however as in all things tubes the ones you have may sound better than used CCA's, etc. This is an extremely subjective analysis, "what is best". Brent Jesse has said some E88CC's measure and sound better than some CCA's(Siemens/Teles) It is really a roll of the dice and hype. If you have available funds, keep your tubes, buy the others and compare, then sell. My new Teles are are huge improvement over my Mats, Etc. 

Thanks satwilson. I understand your opinion but I trust tube museum and agree with them saying that the Siemens E88CC's that I have are really holy grail tubes. They are extremely rare and are sometimes more pricier than the Siemens CCa's. 

 

And I cannot keep these tubes and roll at the same time due to an empty wallet, I just simply don't have enough money unfortunately. I am hoping to sell these NOS tubes. They are also matched. 

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