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post #2041 of 10906

as you see, I'm not a wine drinker.... LOL  I thought I knew about wine  HA!

 

Cheers

 

:beerchug:

post #2042 of 10906
Better a tube connoisseur - it's easier on the liver!

Enjoy the music! :-)
post #2043 of 10906
Just bought a 1959 Amperex Pinched Waist D getter to compare to the 'Holy Grail' 6n23p. $235 for a single tube!!!! Good thing my Dac takes just one 6922. Oh this is gonna be fun!
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post

Just bought a 1959 Amperex Pinched Waist D getter to compare to the 'Holy Grail' 6n23p. $235 for a single tube!!!! Good thing my Dac takes just one 6922. Oh this is gonna be fun!

Fun? This is not fun! Or am I missing something?
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Fun? This is not fun! Or am I missing something?

If you're not having fun, then rolling may not be for you.

post #2047 of 10906
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Originally Posted by john777 View Post


Fun? This is not fun! Or am I missing something?

What do you mean by not fun? Some people spend their money on new shiny rims, some buy old musty smelling radio tubes. Its all subjective to the person. 


Edited by PinkLed - 5/24/14 at 8:16am
post #2048 of 10906
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post

If you're not having fun then rolling may not be for you.
Well spending $235 for a single tube is not fun...rather painful. I've owned almost every super 6922, accept these legendary Amerpex 6922 pinched waists. So I just had to get at least one for comparison.

Now, I'm just hoping it's not staticy/crackely/microphonic like so many Amperexs I've owned. The good thing is my dac is very immune to microphonics, more so then the Lyr.

These '59 d getter pinches are considered by many as the best sounding 6922 type tube ever made. I don't expect the '75 'Holy Grails' to beat them, that would be asking to much. But even if they get close, or excell in a few areas, that would be an accomplishment. The fun part will be drilling down into the characteristics of each tube.

It'll be here in a few days, so we'll see.

PS They may be smelly but sound oh so sweet! :-) Got to listening last night, it was only going to be for a few hours then a movie...5 hours later...it was forget the movie. Just got caught up in great music, album after album. Even after having these '75s HG in my systems for a few months, they never cease to amaze me (total entrancement).
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If you're not having fun, then rolling may not be for you.

I regard tube rolling as a very serious matter. I am older than most of the tubes being discussed, recommended, bought, discarded or otherwise mentioned on this forum. Lots of them were not thought much of in their respective days. Funny how things change...
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I regard tube rolling as a very serious matter. I am older than most of the tubes being discussed, recommended, bought, discarded or otherwise mentioned on this forum. Lots of them were not thought much of in their respective days. Funny how things change...
Ditto for the Russian 6n23p - until a few years ago.

The amazing thing is, even with all kinds of advancements in solid state audio chips, that today much the very best audio stuff (and most expensive, ie Lamm, Conrad Johnson, Mcintoch,etc...) is still based on tubes! And they are big sellers. I've owned many ss headphone amps like the Burson, and it doesn't hold a candle to a Lyr with top tubes.
Edited by rb2013 - 5/24/14 at 10:25am
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I stand by my comment.  If you aren't having fun, then why bother with this hobby?  I'm not saying it's cheap or that it's expensive so the money has to leave the equation.  Any hobby can cost money but that is an individuals choice as to whether they want to pursue it.  What does being older than the tubes discussed have to do with anything other than their original value versus today's market value?  Same goes for all kinds of items people collect.

 

Anyway it's supposed to be fun IMO.  YMMV  

 

:beerchug:

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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post

I stand by my comment.  If you aren't having fun, then why bother with this hobby?  I'm not saying it's cheap or that it's expensive so the money has to leave the equation.  Any hobby can cost money but that is an individuals choice as to whether they want to pursue it.  What does being older than the tubes discussed have to do with anything other than their original value versus today's market value?  Same goes for all kinds of items people collect.

Anyway it's supposed to be fun IMO.  YMMV  

beerchug.gif
You are right, it's about the love of music, it's not about the money. In the bigger picture the joy produced is huge compared to the money spent.

I used to go to lots of concerts, look what that costs today. A one shot deal, with usually crappy sound quality, then the hassle of getting home after a few drinks. I live in Seattle and there are a few good venues, like 'The Showbox', smaller with good audio (if you're in the right location). An elevated bar section with tables with good views. But a night there with the wife is expensive. And the sound while better then a stadium venue, still doesn't come close to my main system. And it's too loud, so I have wear earplugs to keep from having ringing ears the next day.

Now concerts like Coachella are a different experience, more a young person hangout and pickup experience. The sound quality is aweful.

So a couple of hundred bucks for good sound for years is a bargain.

Cheers!
:-)
Edited by rb2013 - 5/25/14 at 8:28pm
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Been a few weeks but have pursued MY perfection. After being disappointed with the micro-phonics in my $100, RTC branded E188CC, Mullard, NOS/NIB tubes I returned same. It wasn't just the micro-phonics, they just did not sound TO ME great..., not much better than my RCA/Matsu****a/Japanese Mullards. I then purchased some Siemens branded, EI made, ECC88 from EBAY, Tubemaze. These tubes were made in Yugoslavia with Telefunken tooling. They are Siemens branded with Siemens boxes, NOS, NIB, $70, plus shipping. These tubes IMHO sound wonderful, way better than the RTC/Mullards. They have the classic detailed, flat frequency response sound that Siemens are known for, 1/3 the price of Siemens. Great, I realize I like the detailed German/Siemens/Telefunken sound over the Mullard/Amperex sound. After a lot of dithering about decided to get to the top of this Siemens/Telefunken thing! After losing some auctions in Ebay for TeleE88CC's around $200+ from Germany, I went back to Upscale Audio's offerings. Kevin@Upscale recently purchased a few Thousand, master cases of 100's, NOS, NIB of these tubes. His description of these tubes and the journey he took to acquire these, money spent, test results....as he has said, will never be available again. I purchased a "Gold" matched pair and with less than 20 hrs burn in, I have found MY tube. The micro-detail, flat frequency response, tight, low, bass, and sparkling but smooth top end, amazing transients and slew rate, WOW!! They are priced@ $109 for "Gold", $129 for "Platinum", each, pairs matching for free. I am aware of CCA's, etc, however these tubes are testing much better than most CCA's. Reviewed with Bifrost/Uber/Lyr, BMF Flyer modded FostexT50RP'S, HD TRACKS 96K Downloads. "Rhythm Sessions", Lee Ritenour; "The Vigil", Chick Corea; "Entre Amigos", Rosa Passos/Ron Carter. These tubes take the Lyr to a very special place. Brent Jesse Audio has "used, tested NOS similar tubes for $300/pair. These are NOS/NIB. My tube rolling days are over. Many thanks to "Gibosi", "RB2013" et al for your patience and guidance. Telefunken for me, satwilson 

post #2054 of 10906
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Originally Posted by satwilson View Post
 

....My tube rolling days are over. Many thanks to "Gibosi", "RB2013" et al for your patience and guidance. Telefunken for me, satwilson 

 

Life is good. :)

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Been a few weeks but have pursued MY perfection..My tube rolling days are over. Many thanks to "Gibosi", "RB2013" et al for your patience and guidance. Telefunken for me, satwilson 
Congratulations! What this very successful thread is all about. And why the 'stock' Lyr is only a step on the path. Each person has different tastes, different headphones, systems, musical interests, etc... The ability to tailor your system, fine tune it, makes all the difference in the world. And if you get different headphones or a new dac that might change. Or if you just get bored...so nice to be able to change things up.

I believe Kevin sells these as singles, after I'm done with the Amperex Pinched Waist experiment, I may pickup one of these or the Tele CCa. My tastes run to the fuller tone side of the spectrum, the Teles I've heard in the past were a little dry to my ears. But I'd love to hear these vs the best 6n23ps.

Great fun! Much to look forward to.

Cheers! :-)
Edited by rb2013 - 5/25/14 at 8:30pm
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