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post #1891 of 2556
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post

Pretty sure they're closed.  I'll check in a bit. -- Yep, closed plates.

As for prices paid, I'll let everyone judge the value-for-dollar difference...

Two matched pairs of same-date 1974 Rockets: $48 shipped
1969 Siemens CCas: $240 shipped (and I've never seen them that low since; I've seen 1970s era (thin wire getter post) - listed as '60s... ha! - from the same seller for $270-$280 before shipping)

So yeah, great bang for the buck darthsmile.gif  
$48 shipped is a ridiculous price - you got a great deal. They're getting harder and harder to find. Did you ever get them tested for matched outputs?
post #1892 of 2556
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post

$48 shipped is a ridiculous price - you got a great deal. They're getting harder and harder to find. Did you ever get them tested for matched outputs?

 

Yes, yes it was :D  Nah, never bothered, just used my ears and the pencil tap microphonic test.  They're solid and no mistake.  I do think the seller listed some test results, but I'd have to recheck the listing, if it's still there.  Considering they shipped what they described and pictured, I reckon they're accurate.

 

Saw your ad on... a different site (name escapes me).  Makes me think I should sell a pair.  I need a slush fund for the HE-560s.


Edited by ThurstonX - 4/19/14 at 6:44pm
post #1893 of 2556
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post

$48 shipped is a ridiculous price - you got a great deal. They're getting harder and harder to find. Did you ever get them tested for matched outputs?

 

This is the seller's current Voskhod listings, though I'm sure you've seen it:

 

http://stores.ebay.com/highendtubes/Voskhod-/_i.html?_fsub=2327578014

post #1894 of 2556
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post

Yes, yes it was biggrin.gif   Nah, never bothered, just used my ears and the pencil tap microphonic test.  They're solid and no mistake.  I do think the seller listed some test results, but I'd have to recheck the listing, if it's still there.  Considering they shipped what they described and pictured, I reckon they're accurate.

Saw your ad on... a different site (name escapes me).  Makes me think I should sell a pair.  I need a slush fund for the HE-560s.
Well I would take any supposed test readings from a Russian dealer with a grain of salt. Especially at that price. My experience is 30-40% fail testing (below 70% of new), another 50-60% below 90%. And it's usually in just one section (these tubes have 2). Now those will still work but will be a bit weak. The lower output on yours, as you mention they needed additional gain to match the other tubes, is a possible indication of a weak section. This has nothing to do with noise, so tapping won't give away weak output sections. My experience the 6n23p generally has greater output then other 6922s. This is due to they're greater wattage - 300W vs 240W for the 6922.

You could take them to be tested and use the best testing of the 4. Music repair shops generally have testers (most guitar amps use tubes).
Edited by rb2013 - 4/19/14 at 7:02pm
post #1895 of 2556
I know siberian-shop well. Better get them tested.

PS Wow his prices have really gone up! $134 for 8prs of 1980's! He's the guy who blocked me from buying after complaining about the weak/failed tubes he sent. He refunded me and ebay removed my negative feedback. Read his negative feedback from just this month! I guess he hasn't gotten around to refunding them, especially from April 8th 2014. Read his replies!!! This guy is a Kosack! Look at his picture!
Edited by rb2013 - 4/19/14 at 7:19pm
post #1896 of 2556
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post

Well I would take any supposed test readings from a Russian dealer with a grain of salt. Especially at that price. My experience is 30-40% fail testing (below 70% of new), another 50-60% below 90%. And it's usually in just one section (these tubes have 2). Now those will still work but will be a bit weak. The lower output on yours, as you mention they needed additional gain to match the other tubes, is a possible indication of a weak section. This has nothing to do with noise, so tapping won't give away weak output sections. My experience the 6n23p generally has greater output then other 6922s. This is due to they're greater wattage - 300W vs 240W for the 6922.

You could take them to be tested and use the best testing of the 4. Music repair shops generally have testers (most guitar amps use tubes).

 

Ah, well, that makes sense.  If I can find a local shop that can test them, I might do that.  I should do an A/B between the two pairs.  One pair is marked with dots (like from a Sharpie) on top, the other is not.  All four have matching dates, so I could always try mixing and matching.  Would be best to get new test results, of course.  For $48, I'm not complaining.  The extra gain was pretty nominal, and may have been my ears.  Gotta love the tree pollen season in VA.

 

In the meantime, I've got some Siemens to listen to ;)

post #1897 of 2556
Yeah the Siemens CCas are awesome tubes, along with the top of the line '70s 6n23ps they are my favorites.

Happy tunes!
post #1898 of 2556
The '74 Reflector Silver Shields SWGP just sold on US Audio Mart ( I list there as well as ebay), same long time audiophile who bought the '74 Reflector Gray Shields SWGP a few weeks ago. Just a heads up.
post #1899 of 2556
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The '74 Reflector Silver Shields SWGP just sold on US Audio Mart ( I list there as well as ebay), same long time audiophile who bought the '74 Reflector Gray Shields SWGP a few weeks ago. Just a heads up.

How do you rate the new production Genalex Gold Lion E88CC/6922 versus the NOS Russians? I have matched set I got from Cryoset  with about 50hrs on them and am really starting to like the sound. Sorry if you have posted this before. 

post #1900 of 2556
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How do you rate the new production Genalex Gold Lion E88CC/6922 versus the NOS Russians? I have matched set I got from Cryoset  with about 50hrs on them and am really starting to like the sound. Sorry if you have posted this before. 
Interesting these new Gold Lions are made in the old Reflektor factory in Saratov, Russia. They're not the legendary '50s Gold Lions. I have not heard them but have heard the Electro Harmonix gold pin 6922-EH cyro'd by CyroSet. They weren't that good, flat sounding. I have them listed for sale on ebay. In my experience NOS tubes sound way better, the materials used were better, the workmanship was better (remember they were used in mission critical applications in the space and military programs in the '70s). But I also think the aging process has an efffect on vintage tubes, whether it's annealing of the metalic lattices in the plates - I don't know. They do sound immensely better to my ears. Unfortunately, they're not making 50 yr old tubes anymore. So the supply is intrinsically limited. Now for the same $90 a pair you can have an amazing pr of '70s Voskhods, or even Amperexs, Telefunkens, or Siemens. https://tubedepot.com/t/brands/genalex
Edited by rb2013 - 4/20/14 at 8:00am
post #1901 of 2556
The '74 SWGP Grays just sold on ebay. Just a headsup.
post #1902 of 2556
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post


Interesting these new Gold Lions are made in the old Reflektor factory in Saratov, Russia. They're not the legendary '50s Gold Lions. I have not heard them but have heard the Electro Harmonix gold pin 6922-EH cyro'd by CyroSet. They weren't that good, flat sounding. I have them listed for sale on ebay. In my experience NOS tubes sound way better, the materials used were better, the workmanship was better (remember they were used in mission critical applications in the space and military programs in the '70s). But I also think the aging process has an efffect on vintage tubes, whether it's annealing of the metalic lattices in the plates - I don't know. They do sound immensely better to my ears. Unfortunately, they're not making 50 yr old tubes anymore. So the supply is intrinsically limited. Now for the same $90 a pair you can have an amazing pr of '70s Voskhods, or even Amperexs, Telefunkens, or Siemens. https://tubedepot.com/t/brands/genalex

New Sensor makes both the Gold Lions and the Electro Harmonix at their Reflektor Factory. The history of New Sensor is very interesting, originally intended to produce tubes in bulk for guitar amps and pedals. As I understand the Gold Lions are higher spec/tolerance tubes aimed at audio and the Electro Harmonics for guitars, etc. My non critical noob view of the internal construction of both tubes is they appear the same. I am just starting this tube rolling thing for my Lyr and appreciate all the experience here on the forum. I bought the Gold Lions as a reference new production tube to compare to the NOS Classics, kind of like an Easter egg hunt for audiophiles!

post #1903 of 2556
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Originally Posted by satwilson View Post

New Sensor makes both the Gold Lions and the Electro Harmonix at their Reflektor Factory. The history of New Sensor is very interesting, originally intended to produce tubes in bulk for guitar amps and pedals. As I understand the Gold Lions are higher spec/tolerance tubes aimed at audio and the Electro Harmonics for guitars, etc. My non critical noob view of the internal construction of both tubes is they appear the same. I am just starting this tube rolling thing for my Lyr and appreciate all the experience here on the forum. I bought the Gold Lions as a reference new production tube to compare to the NOS Classics, kind of like an Easter egg hunt for audiophiles!
I did the same with EH gold pins, which at the time were the higher spec version of the standard EH. I tried the Sovteks which were also made in that Reflektor factory, not bad. Same for the JJ/Teslas made in Slovakia. Still no match for a good pr of NOS. Over the years there have many ownership changes of Sovtek, EH, etc... At one time I think Svetlana owned EH, not quite sure. It looks like New Sensor bought up these other companies. Good luck on your Easter Egg hunt!
Edited by rb2013 - 4/20/14 at 10:26am
post #1904 of 2556
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post


I did the same with EH gold pins, which at the time were the higher spec version of the standard EH. I tried the Sovteks which were also made in that Reflektor factory, not bad. Same for the JJ/Teslas made in Slovakia. Still no match for a good pr of NOS. Over the years there have many ownership changes of Sovtek, EH, etc... At one time I think Svetlana owned EH, not quite sure. It looks like New Sensor bought up these other companies. Good luck on your Easter Egg hunt!

Here is a link to some New Sensor history 

www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/newsensor/newsensor.html‎
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I think it is great an american still owns the Refkektor factory

Apparently the link cannot be accessed as I pasted, however put New Sensor Corporation in your browser and scroll down to the 6Moons entry


Edited by satwilson - 4/20/14 at 11:05am
post #1905 of 2556
I found the article in Stereophile. The original Svetlana tubes were made in a factory in St Petersburg and sold as Svetlana. Then New Sensor started making them in the old Reflektor factory in Saratov calling them Svetlana...a big lawsuit ensued...I had many of the original SED 'winged C' KT-88s. they were excellent. I don't think they made a 6n23p.


http://www.stereophile.com/news/022304svetlana/
Edited by rb2013 - 4/20/14 at 12:04pm
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