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post #1876 of 3624

Yeah, I was little whining mood today...It's fun but it's frustrating hobby.

Anywayz, thanks

post #1877 of 3624

Hey Rb, question.

 

How is the SWGP Voskhod 71?  What's it like?

post #1878 of 3624
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Well you got a response- that's an achievement. If he sends you those tubes...and...a Big and...they pass testing...that's a pretty good deal.
I would grab them if I were you. It's a crap shoot...a $54 crap shoot. BTW I asked this dealer recently if he had any '75s he said he didn't. Vodka for breakfast!

 

Seems someone else was faster than I. I will look for some other deals :) 

 

As I just bought the Lyr and the LCD2, I'm a little bit on a tight budget right now and wouldn't wanna spend money on tubes, unless I'm sure I receive the quality I pay for.

 

I'd rather pay a little bit more and get the tubes I wanted, instead of spending money on tubes I can't use.

post #1879 of 3624
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Seems someone else was faster than I. I will look for some other deals smily_headphones1.gif 

As I just bought the Lyr and the LCD2, I'm a little bit on a tight budget right now and wouldn't wanna spend money on tubes, unless I'm sure I receive the quality I pay for.

I'd rather pay a little bit more and get the tubes I wanted, instead of spending money on tubes I can't use.
That makes total sense...what would do with a single '75 even if it was good. So $54 for '83s is very expensive. Of course you could sell the single '75 for at $50 untested. That's why I said the 'crap shoot' was worth it (I didn't buy them). But you still don't know if the '83s have matching shields.

I have an extra matched pr of '80 Silver Shields that test new. PM if you want them $25 plus shipping.
post #1880 of 3624
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Hey Rb, question.

How is the SWGP Voskhod 71?  What's it like?
They're excellent. Very musical, with natural ease to the music, they have that flow as well. These characteristics seem to apply especially to the wire getter 6n23ps. I would rate them right up there with the '76 and '77 plate post Voskhods.
post #1881 of 3624
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They're excellent. Very musical, with natural ease to the music, they have that flow as well. These characteristics seem to apply especially to the wire getter 6n23ps. I would rate them right up there with the '76 and '77 plate post Voskhods.

Thank you sure!

post #1882 of 3624
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Thank you sure!
PM me
post #1883 of 3624
A boat load of 6n23ps arrived late Friday. Including a 'Holy Grail' '75 Silver SWGP! Of course I had to buy 75 tubes to get it!!! I now have a backup pair.

Just a heads up. I will be listing on ebay a matched pair of '74 SWGP Silvers ( one of the very best 6n23ps) and a matched pair of '74 SWGP Grays - the '74 grays are Voskhods and '74 silvers are Reflectors. They both have the same plate construction.

The '74 Silver Reflektor SWGP are my 2nd most favorite 6n23p, the '74 Grays 4th. The '75 Plate Post Grays and '75 SWGP Grays tie for 3rd.

The difference in them really comes down to that mesmerizing flow factor. They are all supremely musical, with deep bass, excellent sound staging, etc...All the best 6n23p attributes.
Edited by rb2013 - 4/20/14 at 11:02pm
post #1884 of 3624
Now a little more information on 6n23p construction. Generally the Single Wire Getter Posts will have closed plates, the Plate Getter Post open plates. The exception is the '75 Voskhod SWGP come both ways. I haven't notice a difference in the two. My 'Holy Grails' tend to be mostly Reflectors (‘75 Silver SWGP) with only closed plates.

post #1885 of 3624

Had some time to do a comparison of some tubes.  As with all things audio, YMMV.

 


Stock GEs vs. 1974 Voskhod Rockets vs. 1969 Siemens CCas

 

 

Gear

  • HiFiMAN HE-500s (~165 hours on them)

               jerg's grill and Fuzzor mods
               AKG Q701 pads
               DIY Mogami W2799 cable (four wires; no sheath or shield) with Neutrik 1/4" and stock HFM connectors

  • Windows 7 64-bit
  • foobar2000 using WASAPI Event Mode to Schiit Bifrost Uber via Amazon Basics 2m USB cable with glowing blue ends :D
  • Bifrost to Lyr via DIY Mogami W2893 interconnects (~7 inches) using Redco RCA connectors


 

Songs Used

 

Rush (24-bit 96 kHz):
   Tom Sawyer
   Alien Shore
   The Anarchist

 

Steely Dan:
   Kid Charlemagne
   The Caves of Altamira

 

Hugh Laurie:
   St. James Infirmary
   The Whale Has Swallowed Me

 

 

Some thoughts noted during and after the listening sessions...

 

Stock GEs (~185 hours on them)
Excellent bass; esp. satisfying on The Anarchist (seriously low end rumble) and St. James Infirmary (upright acoustic)
Nice top end extension
Vocals are more forward than the other two
Imaging seems quite good (see: Alien Shore)
Soundstage slightly congested compared to Rockets and Siemens
Overall presentation is good

A nice star to the sessions

 


1974 Voskhod Rockets (Dots pair) (~140 hours on them)
Mids are slightly recessed compared to the GEs, or so it seems, resulting in a bigger soundstage and vocals not so in-your-face...
which leads to better imaging and detail retrieval
More musical
Still plenty of bass impact, but not quite the extension to produce the same rumble as the GEs, but it's awfully close, and the Rockets maintain the soundstage and musicality

They take a little more gain than the GEs or Siemens to get to the same level

Punch above their price (at least what I paid for them ;) )

 

 

Siemens CCas (~100 hours on them)
Everything the Rockets are, but more refined, more effortlessly musical.  No slouch in the bass department.  Soundstage, imaging and detail retrieval are more 3D/holographic.  Handles acoustic music (Hugh Laurie) better.  Vocals are better placed, not seeming in the head.

Even though I listened to these last, I wasn't tired of listening to the same songs in the same order at roughly the same volume.  In fact, I found that I wanted Hugh to keep playing.  That speaks to the Siemens' musicality.

 


Order of preference
1969 Siemens CCas
1974 Voskhod Rockets
Stock GEs

 

 

Random notes:

  • The GEs were already running for five hours when I started with them
  • The Rockets got about a 25-min warm up; the Siemens about 30 minutes
  • I took breaks between sessions, slightly longer than the warm up periods
  • The Rockets and Siemens are date-matched pairs
  • 1969 Siemens CCas are the single getter post, but not the skinny wire of later years
  • 1974 Voskhod Rockets are the gray shields with the curved single wire getter post
  • While I'm glad I got the Siemens at a nice price, I'd be happy with my two pairs of Rockets at the ridiculously low price I paid (hey, sometimes you get lucky from unknown Russian eBay sellers :-), if I couldn't afford the Siemens.  And the GEs are no slouch, esp. for the tubes that came with the Lyr.  I'm glad I decided to give them a chance.  But variety is the spice of life, and I'd miss most the tubes in the stable, were any to ride off to the big rodeo in the sky.
post #1886 of 3624
Very good write up.
post #1887 of 3624
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Very good write up.

 

Thanks.  I always feel a little odd doing such comparisons, as it's entirely subjective, and the necessary breaks between sessions make it tough.

post #1888 of 3624
Awesome review! For the '74 Voskhod to come even close to the vaunted Siemens CCa says a lot. Are your '74 with open or closed plates? How much you pay for the CCas?
post #1889 of 3624
That issue of congestion is a good one. I notice on the '70s 6n23ps they tend to scale well with loud complex passages. Never sound strained or smeared. All the players firmly in place. And I tend to play mine loud - like last nights 4 hour listening session - armed by a nice bottle of cab. :-)
post #1890 of 3624
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post

Awesome review! For the '74 Voskhod to come even close to the vaunted Siemens CCa says a lot. Are your '74 with open or closed plates? How much you pay for the CCas?

 

Pretty sure they're closed.  I'll check in a bit. -- Yep, closed plates.

 

As for prices paid, I'll let everyone judge the value-for-dollar difference...

 

Two matched pairs of same-date 1974 Rockets: $48 shipped

1969 Siemens CCas: $240 shipped (and I've never seen them that low since; I've seen 1970s era (thin wire getter post) - listed as '60s... ha! - from the same seller for $270-$280 before shipping)

 

So yeah, great bang for the buck :darthsmile: 


Edited by ThurstonX - 4/19/14 at 5:37pm
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