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post #1471 of 3061
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Did you really pay $79 for '81 Voskhods from a Russian dealer? Wow I need to raise my prices!! Kidding. You could have bought similar ones for $19. Or much better '70s for $49. But hey it's your money. I hope they work out for you.

I'm not sure, listen, you've been there and done that, I haven't....

 

How's the sound on them? I'm guessing I can still cancel

post #1472 of 3061
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Question for anyone using Herbie's vibration dampeners...

I've got a pair of Sylvania USN D getters, both of which are microphonic, one more than the other.  Quite a rattle when I tap on it, and I definitely get the odd pop in whatever channel it's plugged into. Would the Herbies solve the popping problem?  Seems that might not be related to the tube being microphonic, but none of my other tubes are even close to this bad, so I've never thought about dampeners.  I really like these tubes, and would be willing to shell out for the Herbies, if they'll help.

TIA.
I've used Herbies for years. They will help with mildly ringing microphonic tubes. Those sound pretty bad, the Herbies probably wouldn't help much.
post #1473 of 3061
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post

I'm not sure, listen, you've been there and done that, I haven't....

How's the sound on them? I'm guessing I can still cancel
You can read my review on the old thread # 8596. They're good, but I wouldn't pay over $30 for them. Now l can't tell what construction they are - since this Bulgarian dealer has completely different tubes in the picture then the description (typical for these guys! Ugg!). I mean are they so busy they can't be troubled to post a picture of the actual tubes they're sellling!
post #1474 of 3061
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You can read my review on the old thread # 8596. They're good, but I wouldn't pay over $30 for them. Now l can't tell what construction they are - since this Bulgarian dealer has completely different tubes in the picture then the description (typical for these guys! Ugg!). I mean are they so busy they can't be troubled to post a picture of the actual tubes they're sellling!

 

 

So description is one thing and picture is another, ok... well he has like 2 versions that I found one is what I showed you and the other is 5 bucks less

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-MATCHED-SUPER-STRONG-6N23P-80s-USSR-VOSKHOD-Military-TUBES-PAIR-6DJ8-E88CC-/301115482116

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-MATCHED-SUPER-STRONG-6N23P-80s-USSR-VOSKHOD-Military-TUBES-PAIR-6DJ8-E88CC-/301115482650

 

The biggest difference is in description from what I can understand:

 

1. 

SUPERBLY BALANCED

SUPER STRONG

1981

 

2.

WELL BALANCED

SUPER STRONG

1982

 

Your review on these two says:

 

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#10 The 1981 -1989s Gray or Silver - Good tubes, won't bowl you over.  Pleasant to listen to.

 

Which basically means: "Meh"

While others are basically: "OMG YOU GOTTA HEAR THIS!!!"

 

Well my way of doing things is listen to people and consider on information/reviews that I've had and make my own deductions, I do take things with a grain of salt, but you just basically trashed my purchase, basically :-/

post #1475 of 3061
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Which basically means: "Meh"

While others are basically: "OMG YOU GOTTA HEAR THIS!!!"

 

 

 

Haha...that happens in just about every headphone, DAC, and amp thread in Head-fi. 

post #1476 of 3061
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post


So description is one thing and picture is another, ok... well he has like 2 versions that I found one is what I showed you and the other is 5 bucks less

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-MATCHED-SUPER-STRONG-6N23P-80s-USSR-VOSKHOD-Military-TUBES-PAIR-6DJ8-E88CC-/301115482116
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-MATCHED-SUPER-STRONG-6N23P-80s-USSR-VOSKHOD-Military-TUBES-PAIR-6DJ8-E88CC-/301115482650

The biggest difference is in description from what I can understand:

1. 
SUPERBLY BALANCED
SUPER STRONG
1981

2.
WELL BALANCED
SUPER STRONG
1982

Your review on these two says:


Which basically means: "Meh"
While others are basically: "OMG YOU GOTTA HEAR THIS!!!"

Well my way of doing things is listen to people and consider on information/reviews that I've had and make my own deductions, I do take things with a grain of salt, but you just basically trashed my purchase, basically :-/
Well you did ask - 'Thoughts'. These are not bad tubes - just insanely overpriced. $79 for '82s? Now in these '80 the Silver Shields are better then the Grays. But you can't tell what your overpaying for - because he's showing different tubes in the picture. Now I don't know how you make your own deductions...but common sense says if this Bulgarian dealer has mismatching tubes for sale with a picture of better ones...it stands to reason watch out. Take my experience with a grain of salt, I have dealt with these guys many, many times. This is not a good sign! As I've said - they will often ship completey different tubes then either the description or the pictures. And often send bad tubes. I did have one dealer who would at least send a few extras in the box to make up for the dead ones. Like I said it's your money, I just want folks to have a good experience with these. P.S. Now your characterization of my review is a bit unfair - as opposed to Meh then OMG!!!! There are quite a few steps in between. Like the '79 gray and '80 sillver. I have some '84 and '85 Gray Shields left - matched - you can have a pr for $15 + shipping. That'll save you $60. Just PM if interested
Edited by rb2013 - 3/10/14 at 6:27pm
post #1477 of 3061
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I've used Herbies for years. They will help with mildly ringing microphonic tubes. Those sound pretty bad, the Herbies probably wouldn't help much.

 

Thanks for the info.  One tube sounds like there's broken glass inside, like when the filament in a light bulb goes (a real light bulb, not one of those Al Gore Death Traps ;-)  It's not pretty.  I reckon I'll milk this pair for all the c-note I laid out for them and call it my first dodgy tube buying experience.  Not too bad, considering what I've got in the box :D  The Herbies can wait.

 

re: dodgy Rockets, I see that Bularian seller (or sellers) all the time, but for some reason I've always been suspicious.  Just don't want you to think badly about the Russian Federation dealers out of hand.  My two pairs of '74 Rockets came from southern Russia and they're awesome, and I've got some '60s Reflectors and another pair that I can't recall (LOL) coming from Siberian Shop or something similar (eBay seller).  Just sayin'.

post #1478 of 3061
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Thanks for the info.  One tube sounds like there's broken glass inside, like when the filament in a light bulb goes (a real light bulb, not one of those Al Gore Death Traps ;-)  It's not pretty.  I reckon I'll milk this pair for all the c-note I laid out for them and call it my first dodgy tube buying experience.  Not too bad, considering what I've got in the box biggrin.gif   The Herbies can wait.

re: dodgy Rockets, I see that Bularian seller (or sellers) all the time, but for some reason I've always been suspicious.  Just don't want you to think badly about the Russian Federation dealers out of hand.  My two pairs of '74 Rockets came from southern Russia and they're awesome, and I've got some '60s Reflectors and another pair that I can't recall (LOL) coming from Siberian Shop or something similar (eBay seller).  Just sayin'.
Too bad on the USNs. Be careful of a short, it can blow a resistor. Not all Russian dealers are bad. There was a fellow who doesn't sell anymore, but was awesome to deal with. Had the pics he was selling and never let me down. I used to complain to the shady dealers when they sent different (and usually cheaper tubes) or failed tubes. They get pretty upset - like how dare you complain I sent failed and wrong tubes! I don't anymore, I just take what I can get. I'm still getting about 30% that fail testing - some fail the gas emissions test. This can cause problems in an amp, my tester is especially good in detecting these. Fortunately, I have a large enough collection I can match up by dates and test output the singles I get. I used to try and communicate with them - that turned out to be pointless. I'm just hoping tubes can still get out of the Ukraine, they seem to be the best dealers. We'll see. The Russian tubes take a long time to get delivered, Ukraine was pretty quick (7 - 10 business days). I get this feeling if Putin invades the rest of the Ukraine, there will be sanctions - then that's it for a while.
Edited by rb2013 - 3/10/14 at 10:46pm
post #1479 of 3061
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Too bad on the USNs. Be careful of a short, it can blow a resistor.

 

Damn, I didn't think about that.  Are there any signs I should listen for in advance of a serious problem?  Or is that "broken filament" sound a sign of impending doom?  Definitely don't want to be sending the Lyr back again for repairs.  That three weeks sucked.

 

I doubt Vlad will go that far.  You should be able to get non-Crimean tubes.  Hope so!  No one needs dumba$$ geopolitics disrupting our global commerce :D

post #1480 of 3061
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Damn, I didn't think about that.  Are there any signs I should listen for in advance of a serious problem?  Or is that "broken filament" sound a sign of impending doom?  Definitely don't want to be sending the Lyr back again for repairs.  That three weeks sucked.

I doubt Vlad will go that far.  You should be able to get non-Crimean tubes.  Hope so!  No one needs dumba$$ geopolitics disrupting our global commerce biggrin.gif
Tubes can develop shorts - one sign is a popping, loud crackling sound. Not worth messing with - sorry to say. Yes I hope they resolve this soon.
post #1481 of 3061
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Tubes can develop shorts - one sign is a popping, loud crackling sound. Not worth messing with - sorry to say. Yes I hope they resolve this soon.

 

Is it safe to say the popping/crackling sound is constant or frequent when a tube is going bad?  With mine it's fairly infrequent.

post #1482 of 3061
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Is it safe to say the popping/crackling sound is constant or frequent when a tube is going bad?  With mine it's fairly infrequent.
It can be either. Obviously the more frequent is worse.
post #1483 of 3061

My toys from Russia arrived :D

 

The Reflectors (XII 1968 and V 1969, so not too far apart) look good physically.  They're soaking in some DeoxIT atm.  I also got some Tesla E88CCs (6922s) from the '60s.  Haven't tried to figure out the exact date, if that's possible.  After a quick cleaning and DeoxIT Gold treatment they're humming along nicely now.  I've only listened to a few songs (Echo & the Bunnymen's Siberia, which has some nice bass in the mix), but they seem solid on the HE-500s.  They'll get a workout over the next few days, then the Reflectors go in.

 

One odd thing about one of the Teslas, though.  The getter (or getter holder, if you prefer to think of the getter as the solution that is plastered to the inner top of the glass; an endless debate), is bent down almost to the splatter shield/disc.  Definitely how it was manufactured, as the liquid getter follows that pattern on the inside; basically slanted down one "side".  Doesn't seem to affect the sound.  Just thought I'd mention it, as I've never seen that before.  The other tube is better looking, so he gets to be in front ;)

post #1484 of 3061
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post

My toys from Russia arrived biggrin.gif

The Reflectors (XII 1968 and V 1969, so not too far apart) look good physically.  They're soaking in some DeoxIT atm.  I also got some Tesla E88CCs (6922s) from the '60s.  Haven't tried to figure out the exact date, if that's possible.  After a quick cleaning and DeoxIT Gold treatment they're humming along nicely now.  I've only listened to a few songs (Echo & the Bunnymen's Siberia, which has some nice bass in the mix), but they seem solid on the HE-500s.  They'll get a workout over the next few days, then the Reflectors go in.

One odd thing about one of the Teslas, though.  The getter (or getter holder, if you prefer to think of the getter as the solution that is plastered to the inner top of the glass; an endless debate), is bent down almost to the splatter shield/disc.  Definitely how it was manufactured, as the liquid getter follows that pattern on the inside; basically slanted down one "side".  Doesn't seem to affect the sound.  Just thought I'd mention it, as I've never seen that before.  The other tube is better looking, so he gets to be in front wink.gif
Those Teslas are way under rated tubes, especially the'60s gold pins. Btw, I have a pr of Electro- Harmonix 6922 Gold Pins Super Cyro Treated by Cryoset up on ebay - excelllent matching, matched date codes for $35 if anyone is interested. The best of the new production stuff I've heard.
Edited by rb2013 - 3/12/14 at 11:16am
post #1485 of 3061
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Those Teslas are way under rated tubes, especially the'60s gold pins.

 

That's what I got at a pretty reasonable price.  No idea how used they are (not much, I hope), so I'm curious how they'll change over time.  One thing I've noticed straight away is that I've got the Lyr around noon on the volume pot, which is a bit higher than with other tubes.

 

Yep, these are good pick up after the noisy-but-nice Sylvania USN D getters.

 

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They seem to have a laid back quality, esp. compared to Russian tubes.  Kinda like the Matsuschiitas, but with more weight in the low end, and maybe a tad more rolled off on top; lacking in some sparkle that other tubes give with the same songs.  Not complaining, though.  These may be perfect for the Q701s.  A proper comparison is in order in a week or so.


Edited by ThurstonX - 3/12/14 at 11:58am
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