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post #1426 of 3347
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Originally Posted by mwillits View Post

Well, I've been rolling between the 1978 Voskhod 6N23P tubes and Matsu****a 6922  Mullard tubes the past few days. At least from my inexperienced standpoint, listening with a pair of AKG K702s, what I *think* I hear is that the Voskhod tubes seem a bit more forward and crisper than do the Matsu****a tubes. I certainly like the sound of both, but the Matsu****a tubes come across as slightly more laid back in comparison. Especially with acoustic tracks that have a lot of guitar, the Voskhods seem detailed -- I can really hear the movement of fingers across the strings, whereas with the Matsu****a tubes I don't hear such string details as much. From others' experiences, does this sound about right for what I'm experiencing with these particular tubes? This will help me calibrate my expectations. I'm still waiting on a couple pairs of Amperex tubes (mentioned previously in this thread), but at this point the Voskhod tubes are winning. 
After over a year tube rolling with all kinds of tubes in my Lyr - I have the same impressions. The Vokhods are very detailed, as you describe, you can hear subtle things like bells, back ground vocals deep in the mix, fingers sliding on guitar strings. It all adds to the realism of the sound. You need to give the Voskhods plenty of burnin, over 100hrs min. They open up and the foward nature will settle in, they're best after 200hrs. The thing I like about these - very quiet - a kind of inkly black background that music emerges from and dissapears into. As you go up the quality ladder, they get more sweet sounding, more detailed, wider and deeper soundstage, and at the very top of the heap this amazing flow. It's just so captivating, it draws you in ( and sometimes doesn't let go until a few hours have passed!). That top of the heap are the Voskhod and Reflector '75 and '74 silver shield with the wire getter posts. Man are they good! If anyone stumbles across the '75 version - I am a definite buyer! Please let me know! (Not the common dual getter post '75 Refektors)
Edited by rb2013 - 3/6/14 at 1:29pm
post #1427 of 3347
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Originally Posted by vl4dimir View Post
 

 

There is a grey mark at the middle of the 1st tube (connected to the lyr) and a black one on the top of the second tube (on my hand).

I haven't done anything differently..

 

 

I am not sure what those are from.  My guess is maybe a power surge?  What kind of power protection/conditioner do you have?  Second guess, something is wrong with those tubes (bad tubes).  Third guess, your lyr is kaput.  I don't know which of those is the problem, but I would be looking down those avenues for clues.  Sorry if this isn't very helpful.  Anybody with more knowledge than me got any ideas?


Edited by MisterMoJo - 3/6/14 at 1:40pm
post #1428 of 3347
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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post
 

 

 

I am not sure what those are from.  My guess is maybe a power surge?  What kind of power protection/conditioner do you have?  Second guess, something is wrong with those tubes (bad tubes).  Third guess, your lyr is kaput.  I don't know which of those is the problem, but I would be looking down those avenues for clues.  Sorry if this isn't very helpful.  Anybody with more knowledge than me got any ideas?

1. A simple cheap powerstrip , don't know how this could affect the tubes..

2  I don't think this tubes are damaged. I've bought them here and the guy who was using them didn't have any mark & I don't hear a pop or stange noise. They sound very very good. And the stock tubes were new

3. Lyr kaput ? doesn't seem very plausible.. will ask shiit 

thanks

post #1429 of 3347

My first post.  Here goes nothing...  

 

I've recently acquired a Schiit Lyr.  I own the Beyer DT 880 (600 Ω).  I like these headphones a lot, but noticed the Bass feels a bit lacking. Since my budget for tubes is around $100, I thought I'd get a few less expensive pairs of tubes.  My goal is to increase the punchy bass for these headphones specifically.

 

I'm finding I like my ATH-M50 headphones when it comes to bass but everything else - well - I keep grabbing my DT 880's.  Can I tube roll my way to slightly better, punchier bass?  I'm using Amperex Holland Orange globes. I'm considering Amperex 6922 PQ white label US.   Has anyone tried these with DT 880 (600 Ω)?

post #1430 of 3347
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Originally Posted by vl4dimir View Post
 

1. A simple cheap powerstrip , don't know how this could affect the tubes..

2  I don't think this tubes are damaged. I've bought them here and the guy who was using them didn't have any mark & I don't hear a pop or stange noise. They sound very very good. And the stock tubes were new

3. Lyr kaput ? doesn't seem very plausible.. will ask shiit 

thanks

Well a cheap powerstrip might leave your equipment vulnerable to lightning strikes and other surges in power.  And contacting Schiit is a good idea.

post #1431 of 3347
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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post
 

 

Here's a nice pair on ebay from mercedesman:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMPEREX-BUGLE-BOY-6DJ8-ECC88-VACUUM-TUBE-1965-O-GTR-MATCH-PAIR-SWEET-TONE-019-/221312440180

I just bought those.  Looking forward to rolling them in when they arrive.

post #1432 of 3347

6n23p is end of the game tube for lyr in the terms of real bass weight and punch with magical coloration on the mids (that is extremely smooth but not boring and very engaging) and depth

 

the tubes don't have to be from 70's, mine are from 81 and sound even better than a few from 70's so don't be fooled they have to be only from 70's - good talk for sellers on ebay with ridiculous prices ...

post #1433 of 3347
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post


After over a year tube rolling with all kinds of tubes in my Lyr - I have the same impressions. The Vokhods are very detailed, as you describe, you can hear subtle things like bells, back ground vocals deep in the mix, fingers sliding on guitar strings. It all adds to the realism of the sound. You need to give the Voskhods plenty of burnin, over 100hrs min. They open up and the foward nature will settle in, they're best after 200hrs. The thing I like about these - very quiet - a kind of inkly black background that music emerges from and dissapears into. As you go up the quality ladder, they get more sweet sounding, more detailed, wider and deeper soundstage, and at the very top of the heap this amazing flow. It's just so captivating, it draws you in ( and sometimes doesn't let go until a few hours have passed!). That top of the heap are the Voskhod and Reflector '75 and '74 silver shield with the wire getter posts. Man are they good! If anyone stumbles across the '75 version - I am a definite buyer! Please let me know! (Not the common dual getter post '75 Refektors)

Thanks rb, I appreciate the confirmation of my initial impressions. Actually, your 7/17/13 post comparing the various years and types of Voskhods was what influenced me to grab a set in the first place. I got lucky and found a really good deal on eBay for a pair of matched NOS 1978 Silver Shields (which you described were only a bit less detailed than the '75 Silver Shields). 

 

Good to know about letting the Voskhods settle in over time. I've been running pink noise through my setup overnight to help speed things along. 

post #1434 of 3347
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Originally Posted by magicman View Post

6n23p is end of the game tube for lyr in the terms of real bass weight and punch with magical coloration on the mids (that is extremely smooth but not boring and very engaging) and depth

the tubes don't have to be from 70's, mine are from 81 and sound even better than a few from 70's so don't be fooled they have to be only from 70's - good talk for sellers on ebay with ridiculous prices ...
I agree the 6n23ps have great bass. But have you spent months comparing all the differ versions and years? Were the '70 you tried reliably tested? I have folks who keep coming back to me for more of the'70s after trying them. Unfortunately, I have to toss out 3 of every 10 tubes I get from the overseas ebay dealers - fail testing- some by a large margin. They send different quanities and worse different tubes from their ads! I wish this was easier! I don't mind selling the ones I'm not looking to keep. By posting my comments here - I'm working against myself - as I'm competeing for the few ads that show the tubes I'm looking for. The '80 Voskhods are really good - especially for the price. I have a few extra pairs that I have throughly tested and matched - if anyone wants to try them. They are 81-89 Silver Shields Voskhod 6n23p. Only for fellow head-fiers, $19 pr plus shipping (US shipping only). Or you can buy from the many Russian dealers. Just PM me if interested. And I am looking for those elusive '75 silver shield single wire getter post 6n23ps - either Voskhod or Refektor ( they are the same construction). So if you come across them I am a buyer. To those who are new here - I was the 1st to post here about these vintage tubes, others had commented on the new production versions. It has been an amazing learning experience for me and very rewarding! I started using these many years ago - I had been using Seimens CCas almost exclusively then, until one burned out - at the then prices of $250/pr for the '60s - I decided to try the Voskhod Rockets- bought a pr from a guy on Audiogon. They were mismatched '80s but I didn't know bettter. They were pretty darn good, so I sold my CCas. The one pr lasted three years of daily 8 hr use. I then got wrapped up in other tube rolling for my other equipment (like the Woo). It was only after buying the Lyr that I started rolling the 6922s again. Bought lots of Amperexs, Seimens, Lorentz, and started experimenting with the different 6n23ps. I've enjoyed sharing my experiences with you all - despite the occasional attacks - I really don't mind. Look at the awareness about these undiscovered jems it's brought to this community. That I have found fun. They may not be the 'perfect' tube, but lots of folks seem to be getting good results with them. People will have different opinions about almost any tube, that's what makes this so rewarding (addicting?). Rather then being stuck with just one sound of a solid state amp, you can tailor it to your tastes. And change it up if you get bored with the sound.
Edited by rb2013 - 3/7/14 at 1:08pm
post #1435 of 3347

@rb2013 - have you ever seen 1974 silver shield Voskhods?  Mine are gray shield, with the single wire getter post (that curves at the top).  Not looking to buy, just curious.

 

Thanks!

 

P.S. - all credit to you for turning me (and other Head-Fiers, no doubt) on to these great tubes :)


Edited by ThurstonX - 3/7/14 at 11:30am
post #1436 of 3347

@rb2013:  I have to get some voskhods now.  Are they dark overall?  Do you know if they pair well with the LCD-2 rev.2's?  Is ebay the best place to get them?  Thanks.


Edited by MisterMoJo - 3/7/14 at 11:51am
post #1437 of 3347
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post

@rb2013
 - have you ever seen 1974 silver shield Voskhods?  Mine are gray shield, with the single wire getter post (that curves at the top).  Not looking to buy, just curious.

Thanks!

P.S. - all credit to you for turning me (and other Head-Fiers, no doubt) on to these great tubes smily_headphones1.gif
Yes both silver and gray shields with the single wire getter post. Also Reflektors with the exact same construction. They are both excellent! I do prefer the silver shield version of these, as they have a touch more detail. Thanks for the kudos - much appreciated!
post #1438 of 3347
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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post

@rb2013
:  I have to get some voshkods now.  Are they dark overall?  Do you know if they pair well with the LCD-2 rev.2's?  Is ebay the best place to get them?  Thanks.
Generally they are not tubey or dark, but pretty neutral. The silver shield versions tend to be a bit more on the bright side. Some have found them dark others bright and forward. So I guess it depends on your equipment. They do share some common traits, good to great detail, solid bass, very quiet, excellent resistance to microphonics as they seem to have thicker glass, very good longevity. If you are in the US, you can try the matched '80s I have - they are gray shield Voskhod Rockets or check ebay for the silver shield versions. I've never had the LCDs only HE500s and HD800s. P.S. To be clear the tubes I have for $19 are 82-89 Silver Shield Voskhod Rockets 6n23p.
Edited by rb2013 - 3/7/14 at 1:11pm
post #1439 of 3347

@rb2013 - thanks.  I sent you a pm.

post #1440 of 3347
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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post

@rb2013
 - thanks.  I sent you a pm.
Thanks
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