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post #1411 of 3072
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

I think you should get one pair of good tubes and then upgrade your DAC.   Get some Bugle Boys ($50-$80) and then concentrate on your DAC.

 

Bugle Boys are what company?

 

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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post
 

 

what is your source?  Your computer?  You could probably benefit from an external DAC if your budget will allow it.

 

Cans: LCD-3 + HD700

DAC: Asus Xonar Essence STX

Amp: Lyr

 

Tubes: ATM Stock

post #1412 of 3072
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

 

Bugle Boys are what company?

 

 

Cans: LCD-3 + HD700

DAC: Asus Xonar Essence STX

Amp: Lyr

 

Tubes: ATM Stock

 

 

I think Bugle Boys are by Amperex.  Maybe you should upgrade upgrade your tubes first like elvergun said.  But I think a good DAC later on is a good idea.

post #1413 of 3072
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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post
 

 

 

I think Bugle Boys are by Amperex.  Maybe you should upgrade upgrade your tubes first like elvergun said.  But I think a good DAC later on is a good idea.

 

Where do I get these tubes? Ebay doesn't have any of the type that the Lyr needs I think

post #1414 of 3072

 

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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post
 

 

 

I think Bugle Boys are by Amperex.  Maybe you should upgrade upgrade your tubes first like elvergun said.  But I think a good DAC later on is a good idea.


I think he should get one set of tubes and not go crazy like I (and many others) did.  With one set of good tubes he can compare the sound to the stock tubes to get his feet wet.

 

He will probably get a higher sound quality upgrade from a new DAC.

post #1415 of 3072
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

 

Where do I get these tubes? Ebay doesn't have any of the type that the Lyr needs I think

 

Here's a nice pair on ebay from mercedesman:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMPEREX-BUGLE-BOY-6DJ8-ECC88-VACUUM-TUBE-1965-O-GTR-MATCH-PAIR-SWEET-TONE-019-/221312440180

post #1416 of 3072
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

 

Where do I get these tubes? Ebay doesn't have any of the type that the Lyr needs I think

 

In general, you should look for 6DJ8, 7DJ8, 6N23P, ECC88, E88CC, 6922, E188CC, 7308, and perhaps, E288CC. I think you will find that eBay has lots of these tubes. :)

post #1417 of 3072
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post

 

Where do I get these tubes? Ebay doesn't have any of the type that the Lyr needs I think

 

As was said, you just need to search for the correct tubes.  If you're not familiar with the 6DJ8 type (and all its varieties), I highly recommend you read this page:

 

http://www.audiotubes.com/6dj8.htm

 

You'll learn a lot, and it will serve you well for emptying your wallet in the future :D ... after you upgrade your DAC.  I'll just echo what the others have said: get a decent pair of tubes (Bugle Boys from mercedeman are generally a safe, inexpensive bet) that sound good (no microphonics, etc.), then look into DACs.  That's a quest all its own.  After you've got that, then start exploring tubes.  No need to go ape schiit, unless you've got a few hundred - a thousand bucks to blow right away (and even then I'd proceed slowly).  You may find a particular pair you like straightaway, and settle on those.

 

The other, entirely optional, accessory for your Lyr are some socket savers.  The NOVIB from Tubemonger are highly regarded, and they make tube rolling that much easier.

 

(Sorry if any of that is repetitive; just wanted to summarize some key points)

 

Good luck :)

post #1418 of 3072

OK I am having a problem with my amp and I need help.  In short:  with socket savers from tubemonger (with deoxit gold, too) I get noise.  Without socket savers, no noise.  This is my second pair of socket savers from tubemonger.  It's like a crackling in the right ear.  I just fired it up with the new pair and there was noise.  What do you guys think the problem is?  Do the socket savers need break in time?  I am at a loss here.  Thanks.

post #1419 of 3072
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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post


I think Bugle Boys are by Amperex.  Maybe you should upgrade upgrade your tubes first like elvergun said.  But I think a good DAC later on is a good idea.
I am not a fan of the Bungle Boys with the Lyr. They give a sweet and mellow mid, but treble seems a little weak (even when pair with the slightly bright Beyer DT880), and the sound is definitely not as clear and not as transparent as the stock GE tubes.
post #1420 of 3072

Well, I've been rolling between the 1978 Voskhod 6N23P tubes and Matsu****a 6922  Mullard tubes the past few days. At least from my inexperienced standpoint, listening with a pair of AKG K702s, what I *think* I hear is that the Voskhod tubes seem a bit more forward and crisper than do the Matsu****a tubes. I certainly like the sound of both, but the Matsu****a tubes come across as slightly more laid back in comparison. Especially with acoustic tracks that have a lot of guitar, the Voskhods seem detailed -- I can really hear the movement of fingers across the strings, whereas with the Matsu****a tubes I don't hear such string details as much. 

 

From others' experiences, does this sound about right for what I'm experiencing with these particular tubes? This will help me calibrate my expectations. I'm still waiting on a couple pairs of Amperex tubes (mentioned previously in this thread), but at this point the Voskhod tubes are winning. 


Edited by mwillits - 3/5/14 at 4:12pm
post #1421 of 3072
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Originally Posted by mwillits View Post
 

Well, I've been rolling between the 1978 Voskhod 6N23P tubes and Matsu****a 6922  Mullard tubes the past few days. At least from my inexperienced standpoint, listening with a pair of AKG K702s, what I *think* I hear is that the Voskhod tubes seem a bit more forward and crisper than do the Matsu****a tubes. I certainly like the sound of both, but the Matsu****a tubes come across as slightly more laid back in comparison. Especially with acoustic tracks that have a lot of guitar, the Voskhods seem detailed -- I can really hear the movement of fingers across the strings, whereas with the Matsu****a tubes I don't hear such string details as much. 

 

From others' experiences, does this sound about right for what I'm experiencing with these particular tubes? This will help me calibrate my expectations. I'm still waiting on a couple pairs of Amperex tubes (mentioned previously in this thread), but at this point the Voskhod tubes are winning. 

 

That fits with my impressions, but using 1974 Voskhods and these Matsuschiita / National PCC88/7DJ8s.  Maybe I'm being influenced by Upscale's description of the latter (I have no bong with which to test :D).  With my Q701s the Voskhods are almost too energetic and detailed.  They definitely were before I modded the cans.  Rockin' on the HE-500s.  But overall I'd say I prefer the Rockets.  The PCC88s are fine, though.

 

I just got a pair of Sylvania USN 6922s with D getters.  So far so sweet, but I'm doing pad comparisons on my HE-500s, so I don't want to judge the tubes.  Everything I've thrown at them (lots of Rush (24/96), Steely Dan, Amon Tobin (mp3s; need to re-rip), Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes) all sounds great.

post #1422 of 3072
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Originally Posted by Traum View Post


I am not a fan of the Bungle Boys with the Lyr. They give a sweet and mellow mid, but treble seems a little weak (even when pair with the slightly bright Beyer DT880), and the sound is definitely not as clear and not as transparent as the stock GE tubes.

 

The treble seems just about perfect on both my HD800 and T5p.

post #1423 of 3072

Does anybody know where are this marks from ? They showed up after maximum 5s (counting from the first moment I plug them into the Lyr)

Have this with the stock tubes on top (both of them) and with one of the dario miniwatt ecc188 (on the glass)

 

p.S: no marks with a pair of telefunken ecc88

 


Edited by vl4dimir - 3/6/14 at 12:28pm
post #1424 of 3072

It's kinda hard to see what you are talking about- is it the white mark in the top picture and the black mark on the top of the tube in the bottom picture?  That doesn't look good.  Were you doing anything different when it happened?

post #1425 of 3072
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Originally Posted by MisterMoJo View Post
 

It's kinda hard to see what you are talking about- is it the white mark in the top picture and the black mark on the top of the tube in the bottom picture?  That doesn't look good.  Were you doing anything different when it happened?

 

There is a grey mark at the middle of the 1st tube (connected to the lyr) and a black one on the top of the second tube (on my hand).

I haven't done anything differently..

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