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post #1366 of 11388

The amp is on its way here, soon I'll be joining the club, haha... First serious amp here, was running my LCD-3's through the STX card so far.

post #1367 of 11388
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Originally Posted by mwillits View Post
 

Good news! The Matsu****a E88CC 6922 Mullard Tooling Gold Pin tubes arrived yesterday, as did the NOVIB socket savers. I also picked up a bottle of CAIG DeOxIT D100 Power Booster Metal Electric Connection Cleaner, Enhancer, and Lubricant from Amazon.

 

I swapped between the stock tubes and the Matsu tubes and, although I can't say in detail the differences I noticed, the Matsu tubes were slightly more pleasant and seemed a bit more lively than the stock tubes. Certainly this could be expectation bias, but when the other tubes arrive, I'll do a more careful comparison among them all against the stock tubes.

 

I also bought a Pair of Matsu****a 6922s recently.  Yeah, they are much better than the stock tubes...you are not imagining things.

 

I think I'm going to sell them though.  I was expecting them to have a lot more bass than the stock pair, but I'm only hearing a little bit more.   The tube rolling journey (or hell) begins...

post #1368 of 11388

So, running the Lyr for a couple days now, really enjoying it so far.

 

Just a question, is there a general consensus which tubes are the best (For the Lyr) so far?

post #1369 of 11388
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

So, running the Lyr for a couple days now, really enjoying it so far.

 

Just a question, is there a general consensus which tubes are the best (For the Lyr) so far?

I don't think so...  but there are several lists of people's favorites throughout the thread.

post #1370 of 11388
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

So, running the Lyr for a couple days now, really enjoying it so far.

 

Just a question, is there a general consensus which tubes are the best (For the Lyr) so far?

 

It's really down to your cans and what signature you prefer.

 

I have a good collection that all sound good with my HE-500s.  I've been running my 1966 RTC E188CCs (Heerlen factory, not France) the past week or so, and they sound great with my HE-500s and Q701s.  But so do my Siemens CCas (1969ish).  I also like my Amperex 1961 Bugle Boy Straight Man pair, and 1967 Orange Globes.  The E188CCs and CCas are the best, though.

 

So, your YMMV.

 

What cans are you using with the Lyr?

post #1371 of 11388

I have a question for those who owned the Lyr for a while.

 

I bought the Lyr used and it came with four sets of tubes.  Two of the sets had a lot of static, so I thought they were either too old, defective or just plain crappy.   I had been listening to the Lyr with my T5p.   I bought two more sets from Mercedesman and one was noisy (static) and the other one was good (no noise). 

 

Recently I started to use my HD800 more often and I noticed that the three sets of tubes which I thought were bad are dead quiet with the Sennheiser.  I hear no static at all with the HD800, but when I plug the T5p, the static returns.    Before I purchased the Lyr I read that the Lyr can be noisy with low impedance cans, but I had no idea that the noise was tube dependent. 

 

Is this what is going on here?  Is the static I hear the result of the T5p's low impedance?   If so, why only with certain tubes?

post #1372 of 11388
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

I have a question for those who owned the Lyr for a while.

 

I bought the Lyr used and it came with four sets of tubes.  Two of the sets had a lot of static, so I thought they were either too old, defective or just plain crappy.   I had been listening to the Lyr with my T5p.   I bought two more sets from Mercedesman and one was noisy (static) and the other one was good (no noise). 

 

Recently I started to use my HD800 more often and I noticed that the three sets of tubes which I thought were bad are dead quiet with the Sennheiser.  I hear no static at all with the HD800, but when I plug the T5p, the static returns.    Before I purchased the Lyr I read that the Lyr can be noisy with low impedance cans, but I had no idea that the noise was tube dependent. 

 

Is this what is going on here?  Is the static I hear the result of the T5p's low impedance?   If so, why only with certain tubes?

 

I've never heard that kind of noise with my HE-500s (38 ohms, I think) or Grado S-225s.  'Tis a strange problem.

 

FWIW, I use the NOVIB socket savers, which have some vibration dampening.

post #1373 of 11388
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

I've never heard that kind of noise with my HE-500s (38 ohms, I think) or Grado S-225s.  'Tis a strange problem.

 

FWIW, I use the NOVIB socket savers, which have some vibration dampening.

 

The Lyr also came with socket savers.

 

When I was doing research before buying the Lyr I read that some people heard noise (not sure what kind of noise) with low impedance cans...and that Schiit told them that this was normal.   The first time I plugged in the T5p I was surprised that I did not hear this noise (I had one of the "good" tubes in there).  When I heard the static, I thought it was the tube, not the headphone or the headphone's impedance. 

 

Well, whatever it is, I don't hear static with the HD800.

post #1374 of 11388

First off , I am not familiar with those HPs.

 

I have about 12 sets of tubes,  a tubemonger tube socket extender/vibrations dampener plus some low and high impedance headphones (ATH-M50, HIFIMAN HE300 and 500, Grado HP2 and Senns HD600). I run all amps and the sources through a Monster Cable AV2000.

 

Any tubes I buy, I burn in for at least 50 hours and preferably 100 as per Mercedes man suggestion. I have bought 3 pairs of tubes from mercedesman, all bugle boys (65 small o getter, 60 large o getter and 61 straightman). The 65 small o getters were noisy for the first 40 hours. I even thumped them a few times and they now have settled out nicely. The others are fine; no noise.

 

Some of the Russian tubes I bought recently has one or two pair that I would consider noisy but not invasive. They need some breakin  time.

 

The schiit Lyr and the Ming Da MC-34B are my head amps. I use various 6n1p, 6922, 6DJ8 and 6n2p tubes in each. None are noisy but I read others that use Craig DEOXit and that takes care of some noise problems I think the tubemonger socket extenders are a requirement with the LYB..

 

YMMV.

post #1375 of 11388
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Originally Posted by CrownMan View Post

 

 

The schiit Lyr and the Ming Da MC-34B are my head amps. I use various 6n1p, 6922, 6DJ8 and 6n2p tubes in each. None are noisy but I read others that use Craig DEOXit and that takes care of some noise problems I think the tubemonger socket extenders are a requirement with the LYB..

 

 

 

I was thinking of buying a bottle of Deoxit to see if it fixed the bad tubes...but now I'm going to buy it to see if it fixes the problem with the T5p, since the tubes seem to be fine.  The socket savers that came with the Lyr are from tubemonger.  Ha, and I forgot to mention...I also bought a Furman PST-8 hoping it would fix the static problem.  Turns out I did have some noise from the power, which the Furman cleaned up rather nicely. 

post #1376 of 11388
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I was thinking of buying a bottle of Deoxit to see if it fixed the bad tubes...but now I'm going to buy it to see if it fixes the problem with the T5p, since the tubes seem to be fine.  The socket savers that came with the Lyr are from tubemonger.  Ha, and I forgot to mention...I also bought a Furman PST-8 hoping it would fix the static problem.  Turns out I did have some noise from the power, which the Furman cleaned up rather nicely. 

I have the Furman PST-8D. It's been a nice, relatively inexpensive (considering) power conditioner that has seen me through a couple sets of speakers, a few DACs and a couple amps. In fact, it's the only original component in my chain that I've kept these past few years. I guess that's saying something? Between the PST-8D and the Schiit gear I have a pair of Pangea AC-14 SE power cables. 

 

Regarding the DeOxIT, I have the D100L bottle (red, looks like bottle of nail polish). I've really liked it, but am waiting on a tube of DeOxIT Gold to arrive in the next few days. Used the D100L on my tubes thus far but planning to retreat everything (including my NOVIB socket savers) with the Gold once it arrives for a bit of extra protection. 

Just so I'm wrapping up with something about tubes, the 1978 6N23P Voskhod tubes (silver shields) arrived yesterday. Still too early to differentiate sound quality from the Matsu****a 6922 Mullard tubes. The 1958 Amperex 6DJ8 D Getter Bugle Boy tubes should arrive any day now. Going to be a great weekend once I have all my tubes lined up and ready to go. :)

post #1377 of 11388
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

I also bought a Pair of Matsu****a 6922s recently.  Yeah, they are much better than the stock tubes...you are not imagining things.

 

I think I'm going to sell them though.  I was expecting them to have a lot more bass than the stock pair, but I'm only hearing a little bit more.   The tube rolling journey (or hell) begins...

 

Thanks for confirming that I actually *am* hearing things ;)

 

Which tubes do you think you want to try next after the Matsu 6992s? I see that you're running different headphones than me (I absolutely love my AKG K702s), but it might be fun to hear them with a bit more bass...for science.

post #1378 of 11388
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Originally Posted by mwillits View Post
 

I have the Furman PST-8D. It's been a nice, relatively inexpensive (considering) power conditioner that has seen me through a couple sets of speakers, a few DACs and a couple amps. In fact, it's the only original component in my chain that I've kept these past few years. I guess that's saying something? Between the PST-8D and the Schiit gear I have a pair of Pangea AC-14 SE power cables. 

 

Regarding the DeOxIT, I have the D100L bottle (red, looks like bottle of nail polish). I've really liked it, but am waiting on a tube of DeOxIT Gold to arrive in the next few days. Used the D100L on my tubes thus far but planning to retreat everything (including my NOVIB socket savers) with the Gold once it arrives for a bit of extra protection. 

Just so I'm wrapping up with something about tubes, the 1978 6N23P Voskhod tubes (silver shields) arrived yesterday. Still too early to differentiate sound quality from the Matsu****a 6922 Mullard tubes. The 1958 Amperex 6DJ8 D Getter Bugle Boy tubes should arrive any day now. Going to be a great weekend once I have all my tubes lined up and ready to go. :)

 

 

 

I'd be interested to know how the D getter Bugle Boys work out.

post #1379 of 11388
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Originally Posted by mwillits View Post
 

I have the Furman PST-8D. It's been a nice, relatively inexpensive (considering) power conditioner that has seen me through a couple sets of speakers, a few DACs and a couple amps. In fact, it's the only original component in my chain that I've kept these past few years. I guess that's saying something? Between the PST-8D and the Schiit gear I have a pair of Pangea AC-14 SE power cables. 

 

Regarding the DeOxIT, I have the D100L bottle (red, looks like bottle of nail polish). I've really liked it, but am waiting on a tube of DeOxIT Gold to arrive in the next few days. Used the D100L on my tubes thus far but planning to retreat everything (including my NOVIB socket savers) with the Gold once it arrives for a bit of extra protection. 

Just so I'm wrapping up with something about tubes, the 1978 6N23P Voskhod tubes (silver shields) arrived yesterday. Still too early to differentiate sound quality from the Matsu****a 6922 Mullard tubes. The 1958 Amperex 6DJ8 D Getter Bugle Boy tubes should arrive any day now. Going to be a great weekend once I have all my tubes lined up and ready to go. :)

 

CAIG recommends using the D-Series to get rid of oxidation before applying the Gold, so you should be good to go.  I wish they sold the 25% solution that comes in the Vacuum Tube Survival Kit.  It's handy to be able to soak the pins.  Don't think that's a good idea with the 100% solution, and I wonder if the 5% solution is strong enough.  When you use the nail brush 100% solution, how long do you let the pins sit before wiping them down?

 

That Furman looks to be a good deal.  Something else for my wish list.  Makes me wonder if the UPS I've got my Schiit plugged into does any conditioning, nominal though it may be.

 

Enjoy your new tubes (very nice!) and post some thoughts when you've burned 'em in and had a proper listen.

post #1380 of 11388
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Originally Posted by mwillits View Post
 

Thanks for confirming that I actually *am* hearing things ;)

 

Which tubes do you think you want to try next after the Matsu 6992s? I see that you're running different headphones than me (I absolutely love my AKG K702s), but it might be fun to hear them with a bit more bass...for science.

 

Do you know about the reversible bass port mod for most AKGs?

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/660408/reversible-akg-k701-bass-mod

 

A lot of people are trying it on their K/Q 701s.  I think it can be done on the 702s, but you can check that thread.  It will boost the bass.  If it's too much, you can also slide some foam over the port which can make for a happy middle ground (that's what I ended up doing with my Q701s).  Made them much more fun, esp. when rolling tubes.

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