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post #1246 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ashpon View Post
 

Got a question for you guys.  I recently went through every page on this thread and the old Lyr rolling thread. I decided to acquire some Bugle Boys and Orange Globes for my first Lyr tube rolling experience. 

 

I just recently finished giving both sets a burn in of about 48 hours thus far.

 

I have the Lyr paired with a modi and LCD-2s. On first listen to the Bugle Boys after burn-in I noticed what most describe as attributes for the Bugle Boys; however, I found they really lacked the punch I experienced with the stock tubes. The mids sounded flat  but quite warm, and the low end got flabby and lazy compared to stock.  I found very similar true for the Orange Globes. I got about 4 hours of listening in thus far on both Bugles and OGs. 

 

Do they need more burn-in time? I got them from a highly recommended ebay seller. I get the warmth of the tubes that people love about them, but the overall sound is just boring aside from the natural warmth. Were these not the right tubes for me? I'd love some input on my findings, advice, or other tube recommendations that I can research further. I really want something that will bring me the real tubey sound while still being emphatic, like the stocks. 

 

While I've never heard the Audeze, people often describe them as dark when compared to other cans, esp. other planars like the HiFiMAN series.  Maybe you need a higher end tube like an E88CC, E188CC or CCa.  Maybe a Siemens or Telefunken.  Those aren't cheap, though.  The ECC88s are a bit more affordable.  You could also try some Russian tubes, like '70s era Voskhod Rockets, which can be found pretty cheap on eBay (I got two pairs for $48 shipped; both are good, but it can be a crapshoot on eBay).  They're quite... energetic, for lack of a better word, compared to European tubes I have, but are pretty good with my HE-500s.  I'd avoid the Reflectors (AKA, Reflektors), at least from the '80s.  Mine are not very "tubey".

 

I'm just trying to think of tubes that might suit the LCDs.  Maybe the Amperexes aren't a good fit.  Obviously an LCD owner could guide you better.

 

Good luck!

post #1247 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ashpon View Post
 

Got a question for you guys.  I recently went through every page on this thread and the old Lyr rolling thread. I decided to acquire some Bugle Boys and Orange Globes for my first Lyr tube rolling experience. 

 

I just recently finished giving both sets a burn in of about 48 hours thus far.

 

I have the Lyr paired with a modi and LCD-2s. On first listen to the Bugle Boys after burn-in I noticed what most describe as attributes for the Bugle Boys; however, I found they really lacked the punch I experienced with the stock tubes. The mids sounded flat  but quite warm, and the low end got flabby and lazy compared to stock.  I found very similar true for the Orange Globes. I got about 4 hours of listening in thus far on both Bugles and OGs. 

 

Do they need more burn-in time? I got them from a highly recommended ebay seller. I get the warmth of the tubes that people love about them, but the overall sound is just boring aside from the natural warmth. Were these not the right tubes for me? I'd love some input on my findings, advice, or other tube recommendations that I can research further. I really want something that will bring me the real tubey sound while still being emphatic, like the stocks. 


Before I bought another tube, I would upgrade your DAC, there will be a more significant change to your system going from the Modi to a Bifrost (Bifrost Uber)then any tube swap. Not that the Modi isn't great for the money, I am just speaking from my own trails and tribulations.  The best investment I made to my rig was upgrade my DAC.

post #1248 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

While I've never heard the Audeze, people often describe them as dark when compared to other cans, esp. other planars like the HiFiMAN series.  Maybe you need a higher end tube like an E88CC, E188CC or CCa.  Maybe a Siemens or Telefunken.  Those aren't cheap, though.  The ECC88s are a bit more affordable.  You could also try some Russian tubes, like '70s era Voskhod Rockets, which can be found pretty cheap on eBay (I got two pairs for $48 shipped; both are good, but it can be a crapshoot on eBay).  They're quite... energetic, for lack of a better word, compared to European tubes I have, but are pretty good with my HE-500s.  I'd avoid the Reflectors (AKA, Reflektors), at least from the '80s.  Mine are not very "tubey".

 

I'm just trying to think of tubes that might suit the LCDs.  Maybe the Amperexes aren't a good fit.  Obviously an LCD owner could guide you better.

 

Good luck!

Great, thanks for the thoughts and recommendations. I will certainly look more into what you have advised, much appreciated. 

 

I had my eyes on the Russian rockets and Telefunkens actually, I steered towards the Amparexes just because they seemed like a common choice around here for all sorts of applications.

post #1249 of 11371

FWIW I found my Amperex white labels to not sound very good in the Lyr with my Alpha Dogs, and ended up using a pair of Genelex Gold Lion E88CCs that I really like.  They are relatively inexpensive to try out.

post #1250 of 11371
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 


Before I bought another tube, I would upgrade your DAC, there will be a more significant change to your system going from the Modi to a Bifrost (Bifrost Uber)then any tube swap. Not that the Modi isn't great for the money, I am just speaking from my own trails and tribulations.  The best investment I made to my rig was upgrade my DAC.

I knew as soon as I typed Modi that someone was going to suggest I upgrade my DAC. A better DAC is certainly in my future, and I've been considering the Bifrost Uber. I was more considering the Bifrost for its multiple outputs than a sonic improvement. To be honest I can only notice a slight difference between plugging an amp into stock pc onboard, soundcard, and my Modi. 

 

I don't want to steer this thread away from tube rolling. Fearless1, perhaps PM me what tangible sonic benefits I can expect in your opinion with such an upgrade as Bifrost Uber. From what I've researched I may able to tell the difference, like I do between stock onboard/soundcard/Modi.....but most likely not the resolution to my poor experience with the Amprexes in my rig. It would be up to me if I want to spend $500 dollars to get that once again very slight bump in noticeable differences from the DAC I use. 

post #1251 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ashpon View Post
 

I knew as soon as I typed Modi that someone was going to suggest I upgrade my DAC. A better DAC is certainly in my future, and I've been considering the Bifrost Uber. I was more considering the Bifrost for its multiple outputs than a sonic improvement. To be honest I can only notice a slight difference between plugging an amp into stock pc onboard, soundcard, and my Modi. 

 

I don't want to steer this thread away from tube rolling. Fearless1, perhaps PM me what tangible sonic benefits I can expect in your opinion with such an upgrade as Bifrost Uber. From what I've researched I may able to tell the difference, like I do between stock onboard/soundcard/Modi.....but most likely not the resolution to my poor experience with the Amprexes in my rig. It would be up to me if I want to spend $500 dollars to get that once again very slight bump in noticeable differences from the DAC I use. 

Same case here , I'll be interested to see some details about the upgrade..

I'm using Lyr with Telefunken ecc88 & hifiman he-500

post #1252 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ashpon View Post
 

I just looked at the tube physcially, previous was from memory, the only screen printing or etching I see aside from what I have already stated is "632". 

You could try to find Bugle Boys with GAC code. Its will be better. Next time when you will buy tubes please look carefully on tubes codes, Its may say a lot about tubes.

post #1253 of 11371
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Originally Posted by Chs177 View Post
 

You could try to find Bugle Boys with GAC code. Its will be better. Next time when you will buy tubes please look carefully on tubes codes, Its may say a lot about tubes.

Thanks, I certainly be more mindful of the tube code. I am new to tube rolling and noticing there is a learning curve to acquiring tubes to my taste as well as understanding the differences and nuances amongst the various tubes. As always, research is paramount. 

 

Thurston chimed in with some recommendations outside of Bugle Boys, would you happen to have any suggestions to offer for me to research and consider? I already noted to  look into GAC codes. 

post #1254 of 11371
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Originally Posted by Mandala View Post

So after giving both my stock GE tubes and my Voskhod 75' VRockets ample time to burn in, I have to say I prefer the GE tubes. The Voskhods have great dynamics, but they're a little too dark for my tastes. I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm looking for something detailed, with a great soundstage, and that liquidy tube feel. Any suggestions?
If you want to sell the Voshkods let me know - I'm a buyer
post #1255 of 11371
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Originally Posted by Nic Rhodes View Post


How do you find the old reflectors?
There are two versions of the Reflektors - and a big difference between the two. The common ones have dual dimpled getter posts - these are ok in the '60s and '70s dates. Some of the very best 6922 I have even owned are the rare 70s single wire getter post Reflektors. The '75 gray and silver shields (the gray are now my person favorites), therse also showup very rarely as Voskhod Rockets as well. The '74 Silvers with wire getter post are also very, very good. Also like the'75 Voskhod gray sield plate posts - very, very good. So bottomline look for the wire getter post in the ebay pics. Also try and find matching years - better matching months as well, although not as important. Mixing a 1971 and 1973 for example seems to muddy the soudstage and detail. Good Luck!v
Edited by rb2013 - 2/21/14 at 11:45am
post #1256 of 11371
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post


There are two versions of the Reflektors - and a big difference between the two. The common ones have dual dimpled getter posts - these are ok in the '60s and '70s dates. Some of the very best 6922 I have even owned are the rare 70s single wire getter post Reflektors. The '75 gray and silver shields (the gray are now my person favorites), therse also showup very rarely as Voskhod Rockets as well. The '74 Silvers with wire getter post are also very, very good. Also like the'75 Voskhod gray sield plate posts - very, very good. So bottomline look for the wire getter post in the ebay pics. Also try and find matching years - better matching months as well, although not as important. Mixing a 1971 and 1973 for example seems to muddy the soudstage and detail. Good Luck!v


Thanks, useful, have quite few examples but struggling to separate them all.

post #1257 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ashpon View Post
Thurston chimed in with some recommendations outside of Bugle Boys, would you happen to have any suggestions to offer for me to research and consider? I already noted to  look into GAC codes. 

It really depends on what you want to get. What music do you prefer? What sound do you like? If you like more bass it will be one recomendation, if you like airly sound and great sound stage, details it will be another recomendation.

post #1258 of 11371
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Originally Posted by Chs177 View Post
 

It really depends on what you want to get. What music do you prefer? What sound do you like? If you like more bass it will be one recomendation, if you like airly sound and great sound stage, details it will be another recomendation.

I briefly touched on what I was after in my initial post/query from earlier. I'd like the same energy and strong delivery in the mids/lows that the stocks sort of offer compared to the Amprex I tried. I like the amprex's decently because of their warmth with my classical recording; however, both Amprex sets were very dull delivering in more electronic genres (progressive rock, hiphop, house, synthrock, glo-fi).

 

Anything that isn't flat, it sounds boring to my ears. If I had to choose, warm bass and mids with a lot of life and energy to the delivery would most likely be the main goal I'd want out of the tubes. But again, I'm new to this so it is very well possible I don't know what I want until I find it, I understand this may be trial and error. 

post #1259 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ashpon View Post
 

Thanks, I certainly be more mindful of the tube code. I am new to tube rolling and noticing there is a learning curve to acquiring tubes to my taste as well as understanding the differences and nuances amongst the various tubes. As always, research is paramount. 

 

Thurston chimed in with some recommendations outside of Bugle Boys, would you happen to have any suggestions to offer for me to research and consider? I already noted to  look into GAC codes. 

 

If you find tubes you think might be good, but aren't sure, and if photos are available, post the link here and I'm sure people will be happy to assist.

post #1260 of 11371
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

If you find tubes you think might be good, but aren't sure, and if photos are available, post the link here and I'm sure people will be happy to assist.

I'm kinda new here so I hope external links are ok, if not I can take and post personally taken pictures. I got the Bugle Boys from the below ebay auction. I'll have to dig up the link for the OGs, or take pics later. 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMPEREX-BUGLE-BOY-6DJ8-ECC88-VACUUM-TUBE-1965-O-GETTER-MATCH-PAIR-SWEET-TONE-024-/221345997210?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item33893fe19a

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