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post #1096 of 10876

I am currently listening to JJ E88CC with gold pins, do anybody have experience with those, I would be interested by comments (Burn-in and tonal specificities)

 

Thanks

 

Charles

post #1097 of 10876
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post
 

The C in Rap is silent.

LOL  :beerchug: 

 

I'll have to be happy with my 1969s.  Tube fund is dry.

post #1098 of 10876

Aftter few hours of test and desperate by the output, I switched back to the CCA and decided to pass the big test, the one of Bruckner's monuments.

 

First the 7th Symphony of Bruckner by Karajan and the Wiener Philharmoniker

This symphony has been written with the premonition of the death of Wagner (he died before the achievement of the symphony), and was dedicated to Wagner, with some musical  references to Wagner. Apparition of the very big tubas (the wagnerian tubas), which are monsters. These monsters can cover an army of heavy metal groups. Karajan at that time was very ill and was feeling his death coming, but wanted to leave a last testimony of his art and he did... A lot of people testified that Karajan could even hardly move, because of pain.

Karajan has always been very directive a kind of tyrant, and for one time, he did not try to impose his will, but he let the music flow, acting as a catalyst. The result is a miracle... and the tubes gave life to the miracle.

Starting with the Brucknerian fog, string tremolos rising... what a ductility, what a splendour when the Wiener strings are backed by the horns and the woods. I could easily hear the colour of the altos, horns, woods. when the overwhelming tubas at the end of the allegro moderato in the final climax of the movement pushed the music beyond any words, I think I had my hairs rising on my head. 

The splendour of the strings colours, the munificence of the brasses in the Adagio's climax is out of this planet. With the impression of being able to touch the sound! All is there, basses well kept and not invading or hiding the mids, trebles like old golds, I never heard such a fever, the whole room is vibrating and when the orchestra stops, you still hear some air vibrations vanishing.

I have been stucked for over one hour, I could not leave my attention of what I was hearing : greatness in all its splendour. 

 

So if someone is asking are these tubes worth, my answer will be immediate: "more than that", because these rare moments are the salt of life (my testimony is made upon a certain setup and could be only valid for that setup). Let's turn now to the 8th symphony, still with the Wiener but this time with Boulez (Bruckner and Boulez are like water and fire, but sometimes miracles happen...:ksc75smile: and I will not bother you with this one). 

post #1099 of 10876
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Originally Posted by Brouken Air View Post
 

Aftter few hours of test and desperate by the output, I switched back to the CCA and decided to pass the big test, the one of Bruckner's monuments.

 

First the 7th Symphony of Bruckner by Karajan and the Wiener Philharmoniker

This symphony has been written with the premonition of the death of Wagner (he died before the achievement of the symphony), and was dedicated to Wagner, with some musical  references to Wagner. Apparition of the very big tubas (the wagnerian tubas), which are monsters. These monsters can cover an army of heavy metal groups. Karajan at that time was very ill and was feeling his death coming, but wanted to leave a last testimony of his art and he did... A lot of people testified that Karajan could even hardly move, because of pain.

Karajan has always been very directive a kind of tyrant, and for one time, he did not try to impose his will, but he let the music flow, acting as a catalyst. The result is a miracle... and the tubes gave life to the miracle.

Starting with the Brucknerian fog, string tremolos rising... what a ductility, what a splendour when the Wiener strings are backed by the horns and the woods. I could easily hear the colour of the altos, horns, woods. when the overwhelming tubas at the end of the allegro moderato in the final climax of the movement pushed the music beyond any words, I think I had my hairs rising on my head. 

The splendour of the strings colours, the munificence of the brasses in the Adagio's climax is out of this planet. With the impression of being able to touch the sound! All is there, basses well kept and not invading or hiding the mids, trebles like old golds, I never heard such a fever, the whole room is vibrating and when the orchestra stops, you still hear some air vibrations vanishing.

I have been stucked for over one hour, I could not leave my attention of what I was hearing : greatness in all its splendour. 

 

So if someone is asking are these tubes worth, my answer will be immediate: "more than that", because these rare moments are the salt of life (my testimony is made upon a certain setup and could be only valid for that setup). Let's turn now to the 8th symphony, still with the Wiener but this time with Boulez (Bruckner and Boulez are like water and fire, but sometimes miracles happen...:ksc75smile: and I will not bother you with this one). 

 

Oh, bother us!  I'm taking notes :smile:

 

Glad your Lyr and tubes are working out, to put it mildly ;)

post #1100 of 10876
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Oh, bother us!  I'm taking notes :smile:

 

Glad your Lyr and tubes are working out, to put it mildly ;)

Thanks a lot Thurston, but it's sleep time here... Maybe I will write my review on a piano oriented session tomorrow. Which requests other qualities then orchestral music... But what an evening!

post #1101 of 10876
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Originally Posted by Brouken Air View Post
 

Thanks a lot Thurston, but it's sleep time here... Maybe I will write my review on a piano oriented session tomorrow. Which requests other qualities then orchestral music... But what an evening!

 

Oh, take your time.  Try not to dream of tub[a|e]s and Wagnerian women ;)

post #1102 of 10876

Latest set of tubes are Valvo E88CC (Red Label) Hamburg Factory, O getter, NOS.  I ordered these from a dealer in Germany and it took nearly a month for them to arrive.  After work, I just HAD to listen to them and could not wait, so I popped them in my Lyr, powered it up, I had a listen and.oh.my.goodness.  These are some seriously good tubes.  Not as great as my favorite pair of Telefunken's, but BETTER than my Amperex PQ 6922 White Labels.  This is with about a hour of time on these tubes.  I only expect the sound to get better as I put a few more hours over the upcoming weekend.  The sound has already evolved just in the first hour of them warming up, with my Sennheiser HD 650.  These are not kings of the low end like my Telefunken's, but clarity, details, soundstage... are all first class and impressive.  Perhaps the best soundstage of any of my tubes for the Lyr.  These tubes can be found for under $100.  Huge bang for the buck.

post #1103 of 10876
Does someone know if these tubes are the same as La Radiotechnique RTC, or are these actually Mullard tubes, rebranded as RTC? Thanks

http://m.ebay.com/itm/310804321600?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1
Edited by Zuckfun - 1/24/14 at 4:05pm
post #1104 of 10876
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Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post

Does someone know if these tubes are the same as La Radiotechnique RTC, or are these actually Mullard tubes, rebranded as RTC? Thanks

http://m.ebay.com/itm/310804321600?nav=SEARCH&sbk

 

I believe those are Mullard tubes.

 


Edited by okcameradude - 1/24/14 at 4:12pm
post #1105 of 10876

I had the '66 (or was it '67) La Radiotechnique green label RTC E188CC's.  Getter and getter support totally different than the pic in your link.

post #1106 of 10876
The listing does say rebranded as RTC, but it's tough to know for sure. Great information, thank you for posting.
post #1107 of 10876
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post

Does someone know if these tubes are the same as La Radiotechnique RTC, or are these actually Mullard tubes, rebranded as RTC? Thanks

http://m.ebay.com/itm/310804321600?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1


Those are not La Raidotechniques, but the seller has fantastic tubes. Every tube I have bought from him is perfect.

post #1108 of 10876

I wanted to test the CCA with classical piano. A lot of my recordings are old recordings (Sviatoslav Richter, Miecyslaw Horszowski, Clara Haskill, Clifford Curzon, Claudio Arrau...), meaning a lot of coughings, doors closing, sonic distorsion, 'Rauschen' and all these beautiful things which are making the charm of those recordings...:biggrin: 

Obviously the CCAs are not very forgiving, as soon as there's a little distorsion in the trebbles, it becomes harsh and induce listening "fatique". As I am listening at high volume (but reasonable :eek:), this is really exasperating!!!

Maybe the tubes, I have ordered could cope with that!

These are the monsters, I ordered:

Buggle Boys,

Orange Globe,

Brimar CV 2492 Cryo,

Ediswan 6BQ7A Cryo,

Tesla E88CC golden pins,

Some Russian rockets at very low price.

 

I would like to have your advices on that... As I am listening to a Beethoven sonata the Appassionata played by Annie Fischer and it's again a miracle of articulation and timing, dynamics are just perfect! Basses are now to die for (they have improved with the Burn-in and still do (+- 80 hours) and middles are liquid gold.

Timing is essential in playing Bach 'The tempered Clavier', as this music is really about time and space (listen to Miecyslaw Horszowski or Sviatoslav Richter). 

 

So the qualities requested for the new tubes would be those of the CCAs , but maybe a bit less analytical though not too warm, an a huge sense of timing. + Rich mids with a touch of liquidity + forgiving trebbles whith lot of air qualities + Bass well mastered. If anyone know a tube corresponding to that desciption, please tell me (but maybe it's a Graal again) + a large stage and enough depth.

 

For the sonically good recordings of Piano, the CCAs are just perfect and I am currently relistening all my recordings matching. When I will receive all my tubes, I will make a complete review of the tubes which are of interest (but maybe I am spoiled by the CCAs!!! Naturally this review will be targeted vs classical music...:deadhorse: Nobody's perfect...

 

Have all a nice morning or afternoon or evening.

 

Charles

 

 

 On the 

post #1109 of 10876
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 


Those are not La Raidotechniques, but the seller has fantastic tubes. Every tube I have bought from him is perfect.

Good to hear, I ordered several tubes there...:o2smile: . The guy seems to be very honnest and is very kind, gives a lot of information...

 

Charles

post #1110 of 10876
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Originally Posted by Brouken Air View Post
 

I wanted to test the CCA with classical piano. A lot of my recordings are old recordings (Sviatoslav Richter, Miecyslaw Horszowski, Clara Haskill, Clifford Curzon, Claudio Arrau...), meaning a lot of coughings, doors closing, sonic distorsion, 'Rauschen' and all these beautiful things which are making the charm of those recordings...:biggrin: 

Obviously the CCAs are not very forgiving, as soon as there's a little distorsion in the trebbles, it becomes harsh and induce listening "fatique". As I am listening at high volume (but reasonable :eek:), this is really exasperating!!!

Maybe the tubes, I have ordered could cope with that!

These are the monsters, I ordered:

Buggle Boys,

Orange Globe,

Brimar CV 2492 Cryo,

Ediswan 6BQ7A Cryo,

Tesla E88CC golden pins,

Some Russian rockets at very low price.

 

I would like to have your advices on that... As I am listening to a Beethoven sonata the Appassionata played by Annie Fischer and it's again a miracle of articulation and timing, dynamics are just perfect! Basses are now to die for (they have improved with the Burn-in and still do (+- 80 hours) and middles are liquid gold.

Timing is essential in playing Bach 'The tempered Clavier', as this music is really about time and space (listen to Miecyslaw Horszowski or Sviatoslav Richter). 

 

So the qualities requested for the new tubes would be those of the CCAs , but maybe a bit less analytical though not too warm, an a huge sense of timing. + Rich mids with a touch of liquidity + forgiving trebbles whith lot of air qualities + Bass well mastered. If anyone know a tube corresponding to that desciption, please tell me (but maybe it's a Graal again) + a large stage and enough depth.

 

For the sonically good recordings of Piano, the CCAs are just perfect and I am currently relistening all my recordings matching. When I will receive all my tubes, I will make a complete review of the tubes which are of interest (but maybe I am spoiled by the CCAs!!! Naturally this review will be targeted vs classical music...:deadhorse: Nobody's perfect...

 

Have all a nice morning or afternoon or evening.

 

Charles

 

 On the 

 

You're going to have a great little glass menagerie there!  I can't recommend a tube that will do all the things you list... maybe the CCas ;)  I suspect no tube will solve that fatigue factor, though please let me know if I'm wrong.  I think it may be more a matter of the cans you're using.  e.g., if I'm listening to something on my AKG Q701s and I get that sense of fatigue, switching to the HE-500s ameliorates it almost immediately.  Rolling in different tubes produces more subtle effects; no less important, but not as obvious as switching cans.

 

That's a lot of tubes to demo/test.  Are you taking notes?  That always helps me remember what I heard, making for easy reference when I roll different tubes.  Your reviews of those tubes will be a great service to the community.

 

Enjoy :smile:

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